Lopetegui (sacked 8.1.2025)

[maverick180]

I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season

Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit

We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge

But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask

[onsideman]

Why, based on what I’ve seen of him, just like you.

 

 

Not sure why this is so hard to understand nor why it should be considered controversial.  I am saying that as he has only played 11 minutes in 15 games across 4 months he cannot be considered to be 'competition' for any starting place

You, however, have seemingly managed to pick and champion a new position for him based upon those same 11 minutes.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

 

Sky showed a graphic on Monday night that shows we've barely improved in the way we've play.

Incomparable is a massive overstatement, IMO.  I'm not saying we haven't improved.  I'm saying the improvement is minimal.

Oh a sky graphic.... shows us it then..

Nah, I can see there's little point with you if I did.

Oh dear... shame was looking forward to ripping to shreds your paper thin evidence of no progress... just watch the games like I said stats are subjective the real evidence is that we look like a team not consistently yet but there definite green shoots, but we have to mai tain some consistency and if we dont he'll have to go. We cant have the situation where we Moyes winning a game only when his job was on the line. Those games were the only times he got us on the front foot.

[onsideman]

A direct quote from Steidten and the same opinion often repeated through various reports on Guilherme either here or south America. 



My thoughts were based upon.all I've been able to see which appear to support Tim Vickery's views that I heard (very much one for the future), but if the bloke that signed him and the club that sold him both bigged him up, you're right that's different. I retract my earlier scepticsim

 

[Hammer and Pickle]

I’d certainly love to see Paqueta, Kudus and Guilherme gel and form our midfield engine. However, I’ve lost any hope I’ll ever see it with El Moyes around.

[Massive Attack]

Tim Vickery

"I think where Abel Ferreira (Palmeiras Coach) really thinks he is probably better is playing infield because he has got a kick like a mule"

“I think what the Palmeiras coach has trying to get out of him is that, rather than have him playing from the flanks, have him a little bit infield from the half-space cutting in, where he’s got more opportunity to bear down on goal.”

[Hammer and Pickle]

I have an opinion he could be tried at the tip of a midfield four with the other players I’ve named.

 

Ok, I'll indulge you...

Based upon what?

I'm all fucking ears

Why, based on what I’ve seen of him, just like you.

[onsideman]

I have an opinion he could be tried at the tip of a midfield four with the other players I’ve named.

 

 

Ok, I'll indulge you...

Based upon what?

I'm all fucking ears

[Massive Attack]

A direct quote from Steidten and the same opinion often repeated through various reports on Guilherme either here or south America. 

[Hammer and Pickle]

I think you’re wrong and you have done fuck all to convince me you are any sort of authority on the game.

Erm... I'm not trying to convince you of anything and neither am I claiming to be any authority. I'm speaking entirely factually,  you're the one making stuff up

 

 

I have an opinion he could be tried at the tip of a midfield four with the other players I’ve named. All you have to show I’m wrong is to say you haven’t seen him play much. Well, if you’ll forgive me, I’ll wait until you actually have something to say before I revise my opinion, alright?

[onsideman]

Massive 

Blurb? It was a quote by those that bought him to the Club. 

Blurb: a short description written for promotional purposes

[onsideman]

I think you’re wrong and you have done fuck all to convince me you are any sort of authority on the game.

Erm... I'm not trying to convince you of anything and neither am I claiming to be any authority. I'm speaking entirely factually,  you're the one making stuff up

[Massive Attack]

Oh do fuck off 

I couldn't give a rat's arse what his blurb says. The indisputable fact remains that he played 4 minutes when we were 4-1 up against Ipswich and 7 minutes when we couldn't score against Everton but nothing in the other 13 games. 

I couldnt care less about his physical qualties...  he isn't currently COMPETITION for anyone and certainly not at 'the tip of a midfield 4 with Paqueta Kudus and Alvarez'



 

 

 

No you fuck off, you pathetic wanker who tries to bully and belittle others on here but gets nowhere other than showing yourself up for your lack of footballing knowledge in the process. 

Blurb? It was a quote by those that bought him to the Club. 

[Hammer and Pickle]

Oh do fuck off 

I couldn't give a rat's arse what his blurb says. The indisputable fact remains that he played 4 minutes when we were 4-1 up against Ipswich and 7 minutes when we couldn't score against Everton but nothing in the other 13 games. 

I couldnt care less about his physical qualties...  he isn't currently COMPETITION for anyone and certainly not at 'the tip of a midfield 4 with Paqueta Kudus and Alvarez'



 

 

 

I think you’re wrong and you have done fuck all to convince me you are any sort of authority on the game.

[Massive Attack]

He just compared a proven winning Coach judging our Squad at the highest level to himself once suddenly having to umpire a Cricket match!

WHO Gold  

[onsideman]

Oh do fuck off 

I couldn't give a rat's arse what his blurb says. The indisputable fact remains that he played 4 minutes when we were 4-1 up against Ipswich and 7 minutes when we couldn't score against Everton but nothing in the other 13 games. 

I couldnt care less about his physical qualties...  he isn't currently COMPETITION for anyone and certainly not at 'the tip of a midfield 4 with Paqueta Kudus and Alvarez'

 

[Hammer and Pickle]

It’s not a matter of squad size though is it. ‘fraid players know the difference between a decent manager/coach and one that’s not making the grade these days; they’re certainly not just “lads” that can be told what to do on the pitch. Instead they expect proper analysis of the game and support they can really use instead in much more of a partnership arrangement.

Look, I was once roped into umpiring a cricket match when I was fully aware I had neither the knowledge or experience for the role, and everyone could tell. At the moment, I have no more confidence in Lotepegui with our squad than I had in myself when having to judge a no ball let alone a lbw.

[Massive Attack]

You guys!!!

Proferring opinions as to the possible alternative positions in which an 18 year old player with 11 minutes under his belt in 4 months could excel.

Absolutely priceless

 

 

Are you not aware he can play in several positions like he did for his former Club?

“Luis has enjoyed a fantastic start to his professional career with Palmeiras – naturally a wide player but with the flexibility to play across other attacking positions, which is an important and valuable factor in the modern game."

“He is technically very gifted, but also has very good physical qualities - great pace, strength and stamina, and these are traits that will help him to adapt to the demands of the Premier League and English football."

[onsideman]

You guys!!!

Proferring opinions as to the possible alternative positions in which an 18 year old player with 11 minutes under his belt in 4 months could excel.

Absolutely priceless

[Mex Martillo]

The squad is ok. They are all a good level for the Premier. Quite a few cannot be expected to play a lot of games or even full games, but are good cover to rest the better players. The mystery is the erratic manager.
When will he get it together?
Still trying to be patient...

[Massive Attack]

That's why I bracketed Antonio as he can't now be included as competition due to a freak accident but he had been up until then. I believe there's more than enough healthy competition in our Squad now.

It's certainly better than the days under Moyes who admittedly preferred working with smaller Squads and didn't like to use his Substitutions anywhere near as much as Lopetegui likes too. 

Guilherme I think could be tried in a number of attacking places along the Forward line, just as Kudus can. 

[Hammer and Pickle]

Think Guilherme could be tried at the tip of a midfield four  with Paqueta, Kudus and Alvarez. This would even work with Summerville and Bowen as a pair of strikers.

[onsideman]

We have a large Squad again thankfully with competition in virtually every position





 

Obviously not true 

People who have to step in when others are injured or banned is not 'competition'

Cresswell is not 'competition' for Emerson. To a less obvious but nonetheless accurate extent, Coufal is not 'competition' for AWB. We have no competition at Centre Half, just one player who can come in if either of the first choice are unavailable/punch the manager. We now have one centre forward who has been injured pretty much all season so our best right winger has to play there. Fortunately the one position in which we actually do have competition is right wing. We have one left winger but our other right winger is usually preferred there if the aforementioned best right winger isn't playing centre forward. We have 5 midfielders for 3 places but they all have completely different qualities (and weaknesses) so none can be considered to be competition for any of the others.

We do not, therefore,  have competition for virtually every position

 

Fabianski

Areola

 

Coufal

Wan-Bissaka

 

Todibo

Mavropanos

 

Kilman

 

 

Emerson

Cresswell

 

Soucek 

Alvarez

 

Soler

Paqueta

 

Rodriguez

Irving

 

Bowen

Kudus

 

Ings

Fullkrug

Antonio (until his recent accident)

 

Guilherme 

Summerville

 

 

With a group of very promising Academy player's that have been waiting in the wings regularly on the Bench as well - Scarles, Casey, Mayers

 

I don't agree that the likes of Cresswell isn't deemed good enough for competition for a place if say due to age should he come in to the side and play well, he'll likely keep his position. As both Fabianski and Antonio have proved this season. 

 

That to me is a healthy Squad full of competition for places in virtually every position but appreciate you don't.

I don't think either Cresswell or Coufal are competition because of the difference in quality.

For me (although i know this isn't a view shared by everyone) the same applies to Mavropanos (behind Todibo).

I'll give you Irving and Rodriguez although the former has yet to start a competitive game so it's a stretch, but none of the other midfielders are direct competition for each other because they are so disparate.

Bowen and Kudus agreed

Guilherme is not a left winger.

Sorry, but you can no longer include Antonio in your current assessment of the strength of our squad.

I think you have a rose-tinted view. With the exception of the midfield area where no 3 players have really laid down an 'undroppable' marker, I think that we essentially have a first eleven and a bunch of reserves

So, yeah, we'll have to agree to disagree.

[Massive Attack]

We have a large Squad again thankfully with competition in virtually every position




 

Obviously not true 

People who have to step in when others are injured or banned is not 'competition'

Cresswell is not 'competition' for Emerson. To a less obvious but nonetheless accurate extent, Coufal is not 'competition' for AWB. We have no competition at Centre Half, just one player who can come in if either of the first choice are unavailable/punch the manager. We now have one centre forward who has been injured pretty much all season so our best right winger has to play there. Fortunately the one position in which we actually do have competition is right wing. We have one left winger but our other right winger is usually preferred there if the aforementioned best right winger isn't playing centre forward. We have 5 midfielders for 3 places but they all have completely different qualities (and weaknesses) so none can be considered to be competition for any of the others.

We do not, therefore,  have competition for virtually every position

 

 

Fabianski

Areola

 

Coufal

Wan-Bissaka

 

Todibo

Mavropanos

 

Kilman

 

 

Emerson

Cresswell

 

Soucek 

Alvarez

 

Soler

Paqueta

 

Rodriguez

Irving

 

Bowen

Kudus

 

Ings

Fullkrug

Antonio (until his recent accident)

 

Guilherme 

Summerville

 

 

With a group of very promising Academy player's that have been waiting in the wings regularly on the Bench as well - Scarles, Casey, Mayers

 

I don't agree that the likes of Cresswell isn't deemed good enough for competition for a place if say due to age should he come in to the side and play well, he'll likely keep his position. As both Fabianski and Antonio have proved this season. 

 

That to me is a healthy Squad full of competition for places in virtually every position but appreciate you don't.

[Takashi Miike]

I disagree it's improving game on game, the Wolves match was dogshit. But don't get me wrong, I don't want the robot Potter. That's another potential Sullivan disaster

Silva, Iraola or Frank. Otherwise, don't fucking bother you midget minge

[onsideman]

We have a large Squad again thankfully with competition in virtually every position
 

Obviously not true 

People who have to step in when others are injured or banned is not 'competition'

Cresswell is not 'competition' for Emerson. To a less obvious but nonetheless accurate extent, Coufal is not 'competition' for AWB. We have no competition at Centre Half, just one player who can come in if either of the first choice are unavailable/punch the manager. We now have one centre forward who has been injured pretty much all season so our best right winger has to play there. Fortunately the one position in which we actually do have competition is right wing. We have one left winger but our other right winger is usually preferred there if the aforementioned best right winger isn't playing centre forward. We have 5 midfielders for 3 places but they all have completely different qualities (and weaknesses) so none can be considered to be competition for any of the others.

We do not, therefore,  have competition for virtually every position