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According to sky they're offering this fucking idiot a 2.5 year contract. I fucking hope not.

dolph 12:44 Sun Dec 31 Where did I say I was privy to the exact terms offered? What a strange position to adopt - is it supposed to be some kind of defence?

dolph 12:44 Sun Dec 31 Where did I say I was privy to the exact terms offered? What a strange position to adopt - is it supposed to be some kind of defence?

"goose - I'm not so sure as Moyes has in his contract he has final say on transfers, but we have brought Tim Steidten in to do that, there was obviously jousting between them the last transfer window. I think the terms offered to him might be working in a system where he's not in charge of everything... Well at least I hope that's the case. A couple of Sullivan's stooges have suggested this, but then again could be what he wants them to say without it actually having any substance"

", 12:11 Sun Dec 31 You seem to suggest that despite playing in the 2nd biggest stadium (one which we didn't have to borrow hundreds of millions to build or develop) and despite being in the top 5 spenders, we are currently punching above our weight. #impostersyndrome"

"“ We can be sure that what Moyes will be offered is a lot less than a full manager’s role” More nonsense. Zero evidence of that being anywhere near true. The current setup is successful, no way does Sullivan change it."

What makes you so sure you're privy to the terms that may (or may not) be offered?

"We can be sure that what Moyes will be offered is a lot less than a full manager’s role. He’ll probably be asked to select the 1st XI and represent the club on match days with all the strategic decisions taken out of his hands. The offered salary will reflect this and if he accepts, he’s admitting a lack of any ambition to play a top-flight manager’s role for two and a half seasons. Depending on your point of view, it’s either a ticket to retirement or a poisoned chalice."

"goose - It was said on here yesterday that all the best sides play attacking, front foot football, which is very true - agree you can't aim high being defensive first and foremost, that hasn't really worked for a side over a lengthy period since George Graham's Arsenal. Then again, Moyes only the other week said we can't finish top 6."

“ Are owners really that bothered about style of play?” Ours deffo isn’t.

"Moyes has without doubt turned it around in the last 6 weeks... But before that for the best part of two years we were averaging a tad over a point a game and losing every other league game..while playing, or should that be not playing diabolical football.. So the good spell at the moment is the blip.. Let's see if it continues... I'm pretty sure that's what the club will do.. I doubt very much any contracts are being signed soon."

"And this is the thing - you’re gonna play that way you have to exceed expectations. The moment you hit a bad patch then criticisms will come quickly. You can’t play that way and deliver ok results. For me I dont think his style of approach has longevity. I don’t think you can consistently give up 70% possession and not get punished. However as i said before, I’d be shocked if he doesn’t get a new contract."

"goose - Fair enough, they are both doing well so far but maybe Karen's point is it's early still to dem them a success, but as you say you can only judge on what's happened to date. I do wonder though if these owners appoint these managers just because they play attacking football or just more a case of they seem to be good managers, characters, sharp people, etc? Are owners really that bothered about style of play? Did Levy after appointing grim cunts like Mourinho and Conte just wake up one day and think fuck it I'd gonna offer the gig to some attack minded coach?"

"At the moment David Moyes has the type of contract that gives him final say on football matters. We know that it expires this summer. When Sullivan says Moyes contract negotiations START in late January it is not to negotiate a contract extension imo. That could be done in a 5 minute meeting if it was a pay rise and extension of time. They are clearly expecting negotiations to be over a longer period and that means only one thing. The responsibilities and terms of the contract are changing. I believe and hope that the next manager will be a Head Coach and will be reporting to Steidten. Moyes will have first option I'm sure but that may well be a blow to his ego. However, I very much doubt that Steidten joined expecting to have to just recruit players to suit Moyes wishes. We have an older squad than most and many of Moyes signings are not very successful nor in the club's best interests long term. In fact we heard about the power struggle straight after Steidten first joined. I believe that difference was smoothed out by Sullivan promising Steidten that changes will be made to Moyes contract this coming summer. Now I might be completely wrong but I doubt I'm far off the mark. These are the kind of moves being made at the suggestion of Kretinsky to remove reliance on the largest shareholder for professional footballing decisions. For taking us from happy amateur status to successful professional status..."

What are absolute givens is that we have a record points score and wins total at this stage of an EPL season and that this fact will be glossed over by some of us.

Except that’s not what is happening here. Karen said teams don’t change managers to improve the playing style AND be successful on the pitch. Bournemouth and Spurs were offered up as examples of when this has happened. Nobody is bigging them up - just using them as an example of teams switching to a more positive playing style.

"You have to laugh, slate Moyes but big up the Bournemouth bloke and big Ange. I assume this would only ever happen on this cranky forum?"

"If Bournemouth and Spurs change in manager can be judged a success after half a season, we're doing pretty fucking well after 3 seasons of European football, a trophy and sat in 6th then? Or is it just simply about style of play > everything else? In which case, I didn't realise Bournemouth were the new Barcelona"

"What is an absolute given is that if we were to lose to Brighton, in his post-match interviews he will remind us all that we've just beaten Man Utd and Arsenal"

"The jive turkey should only be given a new contract if we finish in a European place. I‚Äôm worried that we have a similar season to 14/15, where we dropped like a stone in the second half of the season and then were stuck with the cսnt. West Ham fans are as fickle as any other fan and seem to forget his digs at supporters. David Moyes is a ginger cսnt."

"What constitutes success for Bournemouth is insufficient for Spurs. Success for Bournemouth is avoiding relegation comfortably. In Spurs case success must minimally be qualifying for European football in one of the top two competitions. It looks to me that Spurs, with the enormous advantage this season of no European commitment, are frittering away their chances of success."

"I forgot about the Bournemouth game, was like playing against 11 strangers all over them.. Took the lead then sat back and allowed those 11 to get to know each other by allowing then to have the ball and gave two points up, nearly three in typical Moyesball fashion."

You can only judge on what’s happened. Half a season is a fair amount of time to make an assessment. Bournemouth are 9 points better off than last season. Spurs are +3. It was Capitol Karen who said that these decisions end in failure.

You can only judge on what’s happened. Half a season is a fair amount of time to make an assessment. Bournemouth are 9 points better off than last season. Spurs are +3. It was Capitol Karen who said that these decisions end in failure.

"Bit early to say Bournemouth's and Spurs' change in manager has been a proven ""success"" no?"

Hahaha Karen you plank. “Bournemouth had a tough start” completely ignoring their amazing recent form. YOU said that teams who change managers for those reasons almost always fail - and yet you’ve not given one example. RE Spurs - up until Conte’s outburst their fans still wanted him gone and still hated his negativity. And yet they were in the top 4 and had qualified for the CL the year before. He was (statistically) their joint best PL manager and yet loads hated him.