Fights that would have had a different outcome if both fighters were in their prime.
I’ll go Hagler v Leonard and Tyson v Hollyfield.
Who you got?
Re: Boxing
Posted: 26 Oct 2025, 09:47
by zebthecat
Wardley cartainly is a tough bastard and supremely fit.
It was a surprsingly good fight.
His dodge to the right punch avoiding move will need a rethink if/when he face Usyk as that will bring right on to Usyk's left hand.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 26 Oct 2025, 09:30
by MaryMillingtonsGhost
Re: Boxing
Posted: 26 Oct 2025, 09:11
by ,
Last night I watched the Parker Wardley fight. It was a cracker with both men going for it. Parker performed as I expected but this tussle revealed just how good Wardley is at taking a punch let alone dishing it out. Parker hit Wardley with some blows that would have likely stopped Dubois and Joshua in their tracks but his opponent weathered these storms to hand out punishment of his own.
Well worth watching.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 18:36
by ,
Swiss, do you know about the first Law of Holes?
Re: Boxing
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 17:14
by Swiss.
, wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 16:14
Look Swiss, you think that Hagler is a brawler so own it. It is not my intention to get you to change your mind but I think that you’ll find on here the consensus is that Hagler ranks in the pantheon of greats.
By all means seek to justify your opinion but you need to do research before simply denigrating Minter. He was a good fighter on his day and btw he lasted just as long against Hagler going three rounds like Thomas Hearns.
And regarding brawlers can you list some other boxers in that category so that we have a further laugh.
Hagler won fights because he was a human punch bag. No class in that.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 16:14
by ,
Look Swiss, you think that Hagler is a brawler so own it. It is not my intention to get you to change your mind but I think that you’ll find on here the consensus is that Hagler ranks in the pantheon of greats.
By all means seek to justify your opinion but you need to do research before simply denigrating Minter. He was a good fighter on his day and btw he lasted just as long against Hagler going three rounds like Thomas Hearns.
And regarding brawlers can you list some other boxers in that category so that we have a further laugh.
, wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 12:03
Alan Minter, Olympic medalist, middleweight world champion etc described Hagler as the most accurate puncher he ever fought against.
That is good enough for me to discount any chance of Hagler being a brawler.
He also complained about him using his head in their fight hence the bleeding.
Oh and the great Alan Minter who could really compare Hagler to the others he fought like Hearns, Leonard and Duran....oh wait a minute.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 13:42
by Swiss.
, wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 12:03
Alan Minter, Olympic medalist, middleweight world champion etc described Hagler as the most accurate puncher he ever fought against.
That is good enough for me to discount any chance of Hagler being a brawler.
He also complained about him using his head in their fight hence the bleeding.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 13:41
by Swiss.
Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 10:37
"For me Hagler was not a good boxer"
amazing. up there with the dopiest fucking comments ever
Love a bit of bait. Every time you mugs fall for it
Re: Boxing
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 12:03
by ,
Alan Minter, Olympic medalist, middleweight world champion etc described Hagler as the most accurate puncher he ever fought against.
That is good enough for me to discount any chance of Hagler being a brawler.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 10:57
by Far Cough UKunt
You can box for points, see Leonard, or slug it out, see Hagler, both styles are valid.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 10:55
by Massive Attack
Hagler was so good.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 10:37
by Takashi Miike
"For me Hagler was not a good boxer"
amazing. up there with the dopiest fucking comments ever
Re: Boxing
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 10:32
by Swiss.
Almost 3 rounds of mahem. For me Hagler was not a good boxer just a brawler with an iron jaw. He used his head and elbows a ,lot and got away with it.
zico wrote: ↑20 Oct 2025, 12:23
The ridiculous thing is Nigel freely admits that he burned the candle at both ends massively. Can't imagine what he would have been like if he had been fully committed to the craft.
You'll find most fighters did back then, most of the 80's top fighters were on coke.
I was still serving in 1990 when the Benn/Eubank pre fight was in full swing.
Benn served in the RRF and fought in the Army boxing team ..i was on remedial SWIMMING and Benn was using military bases for fitness ..courtesy of the Army Boxing Team..
His taste in music was dog shit...and a bit of a pillock .
But that's the Army...if you excel at any sport you get away with anything
My uncle knew him an all whilst also serving and being based out in Germany back in those times.
zico wrote: ↑20 Oct 2025, 12:23
The ridiculous thing is Nigel freely admits that he burned the candle at both ends massively. Can't imagine what he would have been like if he had been fully committed to the craft.
You'll find most fighters did back then, most of the 80's top fighters were on coke.
zico wrote: ↑20 Oct 2025, 12:23
The ridiculous thing is Nigel freely admits that he burned the candle at both ends massively. Can't imagine what he would have been like if he had been fully committed to the craft.
You'll find most fighters did back then, most of the 80's top fighters were on coke.
I was still serving in 1990 when the Benn/Eubank pre fight was in full swing.
Benn served in the RRF and fought in the Army boxing team ..i was on remedial SWIMMING and Benn was using military bases for fitness ..courtesy of the Army Boxing Team..
His taste in music was dog shit...and a bit of a pillock .
But that's the Army...if you excel at any sport you get away with anything
Re: Boxing
Posted: 21 Oct 2025, 03:10
by Monsieur merde de cheval
SurfaceAgentX2Zero wrote: ↑20 Oct 2025, 09:54
Honeyghan beat Don Curry, IIRC the best pound for pound boxer in the world at the time. For that, he must get in any top 10, even though he quickly sank without trace. Excellent as he was, I don't think you can put Michael Watson in the Top 10 - he was very much the third man in a UK trinity.
My left-fielder would be Dennis Andries.
Dennis Andries was a proper warrior...same for Carl Thompson.
Cruiserweight back in the day had it's fair share of blokes you'd want on your side when the shit hits the fan.
I remember staying up for the Honeyghan /Curry fight .
big at the time , but looking back I'm ashamed I backed Honeyghan ...he's a tool of the highest order
Re: Boxing
Posted: 20 Oct 2025, 16:22
by Nutsin
Fights you’ve seen live.
I saw Nigel Benn win at the Royal Albert Hall in a commonwealth title fight.
I saw Lennox Lewis fight Klitschko at the Staples center in L A. Watching the fight live looked a lot different than when I watched it on HBO later that week. Watching Live it never looked close, Lewis was dominant and we were pretty close to the ring.
A title fight at Caesar's palace is on my bucket list.
I Can tell you this Lennox Lewis didn’t do Coke.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 20 Oct 2025, 12:47
by Council Scum
zico wrote: ↑20 Oct 2025, 12:23
The ridiculous thing is Nigel freely admits that he burned the candle at both ends massively. Can't imagine what he would have been like if he had been fully committed to the craft.
You'll find most fighters did back then, most of the 80's top fighters were on coke.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 20 Oct 2025, 12:23
by zico
The ridiculous thing is Nigel freely admits that he burned the candle at both ends massively. Can't imagine what he would have been like if he had been fully committed to the craft.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 20 Oct 2025, 11:59
by MaryMillingtonsGhost
zico wrote: ↑20 Oct 2025, 11:36
I remember when Benn went to the US to fight Iran Barkley. This was a guy who had beaten Hearns and lost on a split decision to Roberto Durán and took on an undefeated Michael Nunn dropping a close majority decision. Benn beat him on the three knockdown rule in the first round, although to be fair he could have been knocked out himself. One of the most brutal first rounds I have seen where any form of defensive boxing went out of the window.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 20 Oct 2025, 11:43
by Council Scum
zico wrote: ↑20 Oct 2025, 11:36
Benn was an entertainer, probably the most exciting fighter I've seen, up there with Hatton for pure up and at 'em. You were never disappointed bar his last few fights when he had gone. The McClellan fight did for Benn what the Watson fight did for Eubank. Eubank said Benn was by far the hardest puncher he had faced. I remember when Benn went to the US to fight Iran Barkley. This was a guy who had beaten Hearns and lost on a split decision to Roberto Durán and took on an undefeated Michael Nunn dropping a close majority decision. Benn beat him on the three knockdown rule in the first round, although to be fair he could have been knocked out himself. One of the most brutal first rounds I have seen where any form of defensive boxing went out of the window. I think Eubank paced himself and had the better chin although I would argue Benn should have got the decsion in their second fight.
The story behind the draw, whoever won, was contractually agreed to sign with Don King, the draw meant neither had to sign and could walk away free agents... Don wasn't happy it ended a draw as the contract didn't factor that in.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 20 Oct 2025, 11:36
by zico
Benn was an entertainer, probably the most exciting fighter I've seen, up there with Hatton for pure up and at 'em. You were never disappointed bar his last few fights when he had gone. The McClellan fight did for Benn what the Watson fight did for Eubank. Eubank said Benn was by far the hardest puncher he had faced. I remember when Benn went to the US to fight Iran Barkley. This was a guy who had beaten Hearns and lost on a split decision to Roberto Durán and took on an undefeated Michael Nunn dropping a close majority decision. Benn beat him on the three knockdown rule in the first round, although to be fair he could have been knocked out himself. One of the most brutal first rounds I have seen where any form of defensive boxing went out of the window. I think Eubank paced himself and had the better chin although I would argue Benn should have got the decsion in their second fight.
SurfaceAgentX2Zero wrote: ↑20 Oct 2025, 09:54
Honeyghan beat Don Curry, IIRC the best pound for pound boxer in the world at the time. For that, he must get in any top 10, even though he quickly sank without trace. Excellent as he was, I don't think you can put Michael Watson in the Top 10 - he was very much the third man in a UK trinity.
My left-fielder would be Dennis Andries.
See my list mate...
Ahhh. Fair dos. I think I might have Froch in there instead of Khan, if only for the two Kessler fights. And it's difficult to separate Eubank and Benn.
As much as I loved Benn back then, for me Eubank was better.
Khan won titles at 3 weights and competed at 4, people take the piss like he was shit, because he got KO'd a few times (So did Lewis) and call him chinny (check the Maidana fight, he had a chin) but talent wise, he was one of the best.
