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I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season

Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit

We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge

But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask

I would have loved to have been proved wrong and for the club to be challenging for a top four spot. Sadly, I knew I wouldn't be as I was so confident this Spanish fraud is a complete and utter loser.

I don't think everyone is shit. I rated Kudus and Summerville before we even signed them for example. A better manager would build the team around those two rather than leave one on the bench for t'other.

Vexed wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 12:27

southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 12:22

Sir Alf" wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 12:17 He wont be sacked even if we lose to Wolves imo. Too early for Sullivan just yet. Its not anything to do with results really. Its all to do with how Sullivan is perceived by the media and fans etc. firstly he cannot admit he is ever wrong but secondly he wants to make it look like he had no alternative and thirdly will want Steidten to be positioned in the media as the one who has got things wrong.  He will waste another 6 - 9 points in the meantime because its pretty obvious to everyone, even a month or so back, that Lopeteguis methods are mismatched to the players he has and to the fast paced, intense pPremier League.

I expect a loss or at best disappointing draw against Wolves then a couple more defeats and Lop gone to allow a new “safe pair of hands” type apointment to save us from relegation in January.

Hope Im wrong but Sullivan’s track record suggests this is a very plausible scenario unfortunately.

fvcking grim as ever supporting West Ham as it has been for 55 of 65 seasons Ive suffered

The thing that will save us, Alf, is that there are some very poor sides in this league this season. The bottom third of the division is poor. So, hopefully, we can scratch together enough points to survive. But considering the position this club was in two years ago (and I'm no fan of Moyes) - or even at the start of the summer (before Lopetegui), it is a barely mitigated shitshow.

He's getting sacked before the Wolves game surely, it's inevitable now. It's just the behind the scenes wrangling on which of the two shit managers we've been linked with they decide to appoint that's holding us up now. Terzic or Sergio Wasisface. Both boring negative defensive bullshit coaches by all accounts, like this fuckin hapless speng we ha e now and the haggis botherer before him. Fuck this club. 

Oh fuck off shit cսnt

Nobody said he was a good manager in thr first place.  As I've said many times on here the only person that wanted him was sullivan becaise he wasn't in a job.

the difference is you think everyone is shit all the time and even a stopped clock ia right twice a day.  Doesnt make you some sort of fucking guru.  

The only difference here is other people whilst expecting the worst actually hoped it would work out. 

So wind your neck in and fuck off

southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 12:22

Sir Alf" wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 12:17 He wont be sacked even if we lose to Wolves imo. Too early for Sullivan just yet. Its not anything to do with results really. Its all to do with how Sullivan is perceived by the media and fans etc. firstly he cannot admit he is ever wrong but secondly he wants to make it look like he had no alternative and thirdly will want Steidten to be positioned in the media as the one who has got things wrong.  He will waste another 6 - 9 points in the meantime because its pretty obvious to everyone, even a month or so back, that Lopeteguis methods are mismatched to the players he has and to the fast paced, intense pPremier League.

I expect a loss or at best disappointing draw against Wolves then a couple more defeats and Lop gone to allow a new “safe pair of hands” type apointment to save us from relegation in January.

Hope Im wrong but Sullivan’s track record suggests this is a very plausible scenario unfortunately.

fvcking grim as ever supporting West Ham as it has been for 55 of 65 seasons Ive suffered

The thing that will save us, Alf, is that there are some very poor sides in this league this season. The bottom third of the division is poor. So, hopefully, we can scratch together enough points to survive. But considering the position this club was in two years ago (and I'm no fan of Moyes) - or even at the start of the summer (before Lopetegui), it is a barely mitigated shitshow.

Sir Alf" wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 12:17 He wont be sacked even if we lose to Wolves imo. Too early for Sullivan just yet. Its not anything to do with results really. Its all to do with how Sullivan is perceived by the media and fans etc. firstly he cannot admit he is ever wrong but secondly he wants to make it look like he had no alternative and thirdly will want Steidten to be positioned in the media as the one who has got things wrong.  He will waste another 6 - 9 points in the meantime because its pretty obvious to everyone, even a month or so back, that Lopeteguis methods are mismatched to the players he has and to the fast paced, intense pPremier League.

I expect a loss or at best disappointing draw against Wolves then a couple more defeats and Lop gone to allow a new “safe pair of hands” type apointment to save us from relegation in January.

Hope Im wrong but Sullivan’s track record suggests this is a very plausible scenario unfortunately.

fvcking grim as ever supporting West Ham as it has been for 55 of 65 seasons Ive suffered

He wont be sacked even if we lose to Wolves imo. Too early for Sullivan just yet. Its not anything to do with results really. Its all to do with how Sullivan is perceived by the media and fans etc. firstly he cannot admit he is ever wrong but secondly he wants to make it look like he had no alternative and thirdly will want Steidten to be positioned in the media as the one who has got things wrong.  He will waste another 6 - 9 points in the meantime because its pretty obvious to everyone, even a month or so back, that Lopeteguis methods are mismatched to the players he has and to the fast paced, intense pPremier League.

I expect a loss or at best disappointing draw against Wolves then a couple more defeats and Lop gone to allow a new “safe pair of hands” type apointment to save us from relegation in January.

Hope Im wrong but Sullivan’s track record suggests this is a very plausible scenario unfortunately.

fvcking grim as ever supporting West Ham as it has been for 55 of 65 seasons Ive suffered

Mad Dog" wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 11:37 Sorry, but playing your best right back at left back, dropp8ng your actual left back
playing your right winger/no10 at left wing where he's made it clear he doesn't want to play, dropping our actual left winger, playing a forward that can only play as part of a 2 on his own, then playing 2 forwards at a later point, playing a high line against vardy who had made a career on sprinting past defenders,  with cart horses in defence.


I mean what the fuck

Only fabianski and the centre halves ended up the game playing whwre they started.

Awb swapped back to right, 
coufal off
Bowen went centre forward, then back again

This is just ineptitude

 

stubbo wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 12:01 To summarise the current position (via a well known source with well known well placed sources).

- Concern that the manager has poor relationships with certain players, and there have been high profile disagreements.
- Current split in the camp.  Steitden saying get rid. Others on board saying give him at least the Wolves game.
- Feeling is leaning towards dismissal.
- Ultimate decision down to everyone's favourite Goblin.
- Board meeting in next 72 hours will decide his fate.

Kilman is just too slow for us to play a high line. A wolf pack has to move at the pace of its slowest member.

I feel for him a bit. He's actually a decent player with the exception of his horrible lack of pace. So you can literally see his thought processes as he tries to work out where he needs to be to compensate. His mind is sharp, and he's a warrior, but his body and genetics can't help him. It makes him a bottom-half CB at best, unfortunately. Likewise, Rodriguez and Alvarez etc etc.

We've appointed a bottom half manager and he's signed a bunch of bottom half players. Expensively.

(And, yes, I know he didn't sign Alavarez et al)

 

To summarise the current position (via a well known source with well known well placed sources).

- Concern that the manager has poor relationships with certain players, and there have been high profile disagreements.
- Current split in the camp.  Steitden saying get rid. Others on board saying give him at least the Wolves game.
- Feeling is leaning towards dismissal.
- Ultimate decision down to everyone's favourite Goblin.
- Board meeting in next 72 hours will decide his fate.

I'd even welcome the fat Spanish waiter, that's how fucking desperate things are.

Mad Dog" wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 11:37 Sorry, but playing your best right back at left back, dropp8ng your actual left back
playing your right winger/no10 at left wing where he's made it clear he doesn't want to play, dropping our actual left winger, playing a forward that can only play as part of a 2 on his own, then playing 2 forwards at a later point, playing a high line against vardy who had made a career on sprinting past defenders,  with cart horses in defence.


I mean what the fuck

Only fabianski and the centre halves ended up the game playing whwre they started.

Awb swapped back to right, 
coufal off
Bowen went centre forward, then back again

This is just ineptitude

Deal, tactics haven't helped as we're playing higher and people getting in behind instead of camping out on our 18 yard box.
however the players simply haven't bought into an of it and aren't working hard enough

Sorry, but playing your best right back at left back, dropp8ng your actual left back
playing your right winger/no10 at left wing where he's made it clear he doesn't want to play, dropping our actual left winger, playing a forward that can only play as part of a 2 on his own, then playing 2 forwards at a later point, playing a high line against vardy who had made a career on sprinting past defenders,  with cart horses in defence.


I mean what the fuck

Only fabianski and the centre halves ended up the game playing whwre they started.

Awb swapped back to right, 
coufal off
Bowen went centre forward, then back again

This is just ineptitude

Interesting stat on SSN.

Expected goals conceded this year in comparison to last season after 14 games is barely any different.

Errors from players has drastically increased however.

Manager is the issue? Or, are our players simply not at the level they should be? You can blame the manager for that reason also.

But responsibility for careless mistakes has to be with the players alone.

 

Give it to Nobes till the end of the season.

If the 72 hrs thing is true then he will be here for at least Wolves, win that and he will limp on. With not too many great options out there, the likelihood of them fucking up the new appointment anyway, and with relegation very unlikely, you can almost understand the thought process of waiting until the summer to make a change. I think research shows clubs who replace managers mid-season don't really improve much, but either way it's looking shit, so dunno.

Lop played the high line with slow players. Rank bad tactics. He had no answer to the change in tactics from RVN. Quite simply, he's fallen short and needs sacking. 

spot on. he gets him, whetstone, the guardian cսnt and others to wind up the masses

Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 10:34 Another glove puppet, Jim White, just said an emergency board meeting has been called for the next 72 hours (?). during that meeting the dwarf will remind the other board members that he's right, and Loppy stays

I really liked Ashton as a player but he's clearly trolling fans with his love of Moyes. Him and that bald cսnt Murphy this morning, praising his defensive solidity. Lost twenty games two seasons ago, let in two goals a game last season. These bastards don't have a clue what they're talking about

Another glove puppet, Jim White, just said an emergency board meeting has been called for the next 72 hours (?). during that meeting the dwarf will remind the other board members that he's right, and Loppy stays

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 10:07

Tomshardware wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 10:01 It's by no means good but people have short memories, under Moyes we got thrashed and didn't play football, negative dross.   Under Lop at least we play football and spent most of the game in their final third.  Never happened under Moyes even when we won.  Agree Kilman was really poor last night but last night was never a 3-1 performance.  

 

Yep. Heard O'haha last night say under Moyes that result against Leciester wouldn't happen. Only that the last time we played Leicester under Moyes we lost badly both Home and Away to Leicester the season they got relegated. 

COYI it does look like your predictions on Lopetegui are correct.  I don't have an ego at my age ( very old ) so no problem admitting it 

Couldn't agree on your backing of Moyes because he had started and continued a decline which we are still struggling to get out of.  That started in 2022 in the league, was masked to a large extent by the Conf cup win in 2023. His brand of football did, for all its negativity, get us enough points but was, as I say, was seeing us regress.  A lot of his issues were recruitment too.  Moyes was always looking for older, experienced players ( Slab Head etc ) but the consistent error was the lack of youth and athleticism. He also dithered and would not make any acquisition rather than get it wrong it seemed? Same thing on recruiting slower, ageing players has happened with Lopetegui albeit his tactical approach makes picking up points even harder as his high line, slow build up is suicidal in the current Premier league which gets faster and more intense every season.

But as stated, nothing is going to happen. However, unlike COYI, I see us losing or drawing against Wolves.  We won't be able to stop Cuhna scoring. He's quick and strong and a good finisher.  IMO of course.

Sullivan may well not act even if we lose to Wolves.  He is notorious for procrastinating on these things and admitting he is wrong.  In short, its going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

65+ years of following West Ham, 10 decent seasons.  Glutens for punishment we are.

 

Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 10:02 He's the worst manager in the Premier League, isn't he?

Van Nistelrooy, who's only been a manager for 5 minutes, made him look like an amateur.