I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season
Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit
We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge
But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 02 Dec 2024, 13:29
by Manuel
Makes me laugh when the posters that say he (Sullivan) isn't a fan are convinced they are right, and the ones that think he might be (a fan) are naïve idiots, just because it suits the narrative, it's more of an edgy view, and they can't be proved wrong (or right).
I don't suppose it really matters if he's a 'fan' or not, but he went to school in Hornchurch so he would have had West Ham around him at an early age, so worse case he'll have at least an affiliation etc with the club.
"Supports West Ham"? He was Cardiff City wasn't he? Gold was the fan.
"On the day the takeover was confirmed, an emotional Sullivan said: "It's going to take time to sink in. We've been wanting to sit here for 20 years and together we owned 27 per cent of the club 22 years ago and it's taken us 22 years to get to where want to be. Both me and David are supporters, I went to university here and I lived in Hornchurch. David lived 50 yards from the ground for 20 years of his life and played for West Ham's youth team. We just want to be here where we've always wanted to be. There is no other club we would want to be at so for us we have come home and that's what it's all about."
All of which is, of course utter spinny-bollocks.
Both were only interested in getting West Ham because they saw it a path to getting their hands on the proposed casino that the government were considering bolting to the Olympic Stadium.
Once that opportunity evaporated they then had to bluster their way through the last 10/12 however many years it is.
If Sullivan was genuinely interested in having the club move forward he'd leave the footballing decisions to the football experts he's hired and back them without fail. He doesn't, so clearly isn't interested.
It's however you want to see it really Mike
For me he has a massive ego (which in fairness he may warrant with the money he's made) and small man syndrome and thinks he can do it better.
Shit owner? Yes. Too involved, thinks he knows what he's doing and doesn't.
But you'd be stupid to think a man whose made all that money and supports West Ham, is happy with just getting by in the Prem only.
"Supports West Ham"? He was Cardiff City wasn't he? Gold was the fan.
"On the day the takeover was confirmed, an emotional Sullivan said: "It's going to take time to sink in. We've been wanting to sit here for 20 years and together we owned 27 per cent of the club 22 years ago and it's taken us 22 years to get to where want to be. Both me and David are supporters, I went to university here and I lived in Hornchurch. David lived 50 yards from the ground for 20 years of his life and played for West Ham's youth team. We just want to be here where we've always wanted to be. There is no other club we would want to be at so for us we have come home and that's what it's all about."
All of which is, of course utter spinny-bollocks.
Both were only interested in getting West Ham because they saw it a path to getting their hands on the proposed casino that the government were considering bolting to the Olympic Stadium.
Once that opportunity evaporated they then had to bluster their way through the last 10/12 however many years it is.
If Sullivan was genuinely interested in having the club move forward he'd leave the footballing decisions to the football experts he's hired and back them without fail. He doesn't, so clearly isn't interested.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 02 Dec 2024, 12:46
by Lee Trundle
Reckon he'll be more of a "fan" than whatever other owner we might have that comes in after him.
If having an owner that's a fan is import, of course.
Shit owner? Yes. Too involved, thinks he knows what he's doing and doesn't.
But you'd be stupid to think a man whose made all that money and supports West Ham, is happy with just getting by in the Prem only.
"Supports West Ham"? He was Cardiff City wasn't he? Gold was the fan.
"On the day the takeover was confirmed, an emotional Sullivan said: "It's going to take time to sink in. We've been wanting to sit here for 20 years and together we owned 27 per cent of the club 22 years ago and it's taken us 22 years to get to where want to be. Both me and David are supporters, I went to university here and I lived in Hornchurch. David lived 50 yards from the ground for 20 years of his life and played for West Ham's youth team. We just want to be here where we've always wanted to be. There is no other club we would want to be at so for us we have come home and that's what it's all about."
Him saying he’s West Ham is the equivalent of a person saying they’re non-binary, I.e., it’s bollocks.
Even if he is West Ham, he’s a parasite and one that Father Time is taking took long to sort out.
It should be painfully obvious to everybody now that all Sullivan wants is continued PL status - nothing more, nothing less.
He'll throw a few bob at players just to shut the fucking (ungrateful) fans up, but 38 games generating enough points to hit 17th is all he ever seeks; we're going nowhere better than that while he's pulling the strings.
I struggle to believe that.
Shit owner? Yes. Too involved, thinks he knows what he's doing and doesn't.
But you'd be stupid to think a man whose made all that money and supports West Ham, is happy with just getting by in the Prem only.
"Supports West Ham"? He was Cardiff City wasn't he? Gold was the fan.
"On the day the takeover was confirmed, an emotional Sullivan said: "It's going to take time to sink in. We've been wanting to sit here for 20 years and together we owned 27 per cent of the club 22 years ago and it's taken us 22 years to get to where want to be. Both me and David are supporters, I went to university here and I lived in Hornchurch. David lived 50 yards from the ground for 20 years of his life and played for West Ham's youth team. We just want to be here where we've always wanted to be. There is no other club we would want to be at so for us we have come home and that's what it's all about."
Full Claret Jacket" wrote: ↑01 Dec 2024, 15:40
What we are seeing is a big reaction from Chelsea, Liverpool and now Man Utd from having top managers come in. West Ham have had nothing. For all the signings and promises of changing style we still show the same limitations, frailties and have not put together one game where I've thought we dominated and controlled a game. Even the likes of Brentford, Fulham, Brignton, Wolves have had big dominant wins.
Something is rotten at West Ham and it starts at the top.
The manager has had time to show some promise and nothing has changed. Dire, drab football, the same old players trotting around, the same lack of intensity and focus.
At least some mug has hired Frank Lampard, our moron owner would probably think he is a good choice.
It should be painfully obvious to everybody now that all Sullivan wants is continued PL status - nothing more, nothing less.
He'll throw a few bob at players just to shut the fucking (ungrateful) fans up, but 38 games generating enough points to hit 17th is all he ever seeks; we're going nowhere better than that while he's pulling the strings.
I struggle to believe that.
Shit owner? Yes. Too involved, thinks he knows what he's doing and doesn't.
But you'd be stupid to think a man whose made all that money and supports West Ham, is happy with just getting by in the Prem only.
"Supports West Ham"? He was Cardiff City wasn't he? Gold was the fan.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 02 Dec 2024, 11:13
by Sir Alf
And to think Steidten's pick was Hurzeler but was vetoed by Sullivan who felt he was a risk and went for experience ( old, dated methods etc ) yet again.
That said, Hurzeler was recruited using Brighton's data driven approach to ensure he was a good fit and was coming into a club that has been following a long term plan for many years and reaping the rewards. Based on their size, their achievements are greater imo than the rich clubs that essentially buy success.
We will continue with Sullivan's reactive, short term, market trader approach and continue to fail
Full Claret Jacket" wrote: ↑01 Dec 2024, 15:40
What we are seeing is a big reaction from Chelsea, Liverpool and now Man Utd from having top managers come in. West Ham have had nothing. For all the signings and promises of changing style we still show the same limitations, frailties and have not put together one game where I've thought we dominated and controlled a game. Even the likes of Brentford, Fulham, Brignton, Wolves have had big dominant wins.
Something is rotten at West Ham and it starts at the top.
The manager has had time to show some promise and nothing has changed. Dire, drab football, the same old players trotting around, the same lack of intensity and focus.
At least some mug has hired Frank Lampard, our moron owner would probably think he is a good choice.
It should be painfully obvious to everybody now that all Sullivan wants is continued PL status - nothing more, nothing less.
He'll throw a few bob at players just to shut the fucking (ungrateful) fans up, but 38 games generating enough points to hit 17th is all he ever seeks; we're going nowhere better than that while he's pulling the strings.
I struggle to believe that.
Shit owner? Yes. Too involved, thinks he knows what he's doing and doesn't.
But you'd be stupid to think a man whose made all that money and supports West Ham, is happy with just getting by in the Prem only.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 02 Dec 2024, 10:52
by Mike Oxsaw
Full Claret Jacket" wrote: ↑01 Dec 2024, 15:40
What we are seeing is a big reaction from Chelsea, Liverpool and now Man Utd from having top managers come in. West Ham have had nothing. For all the signings and promises of changing style we still show the same limitations, frailties and have not put together one game where I've thought we dominated and controlled a game. Even the likes of Brentford, Fulham, Brignton, Wolves have had big dominant wins.
Something is rotten at West Ham and it starts at the top.
The manager has had time to show some promise and nothing has changed. Dire, drab football, the same old players trotting around, the same lack of intensity and focus.
At least some mug has hired Frank Lampard, our moron owner would probably think he is a good choice.
It should be painfully obvious to everybody now that all Sullivan wants is continued PL status - nothing more, nothing less.
He'll throw a few bob at players just to shut the fucking (ungrateful) fans up, but 38 games generating enough points to hit 17th is all he ever seeks; we're going nowhere better than that while he's pulling the strings.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 02 Dec 2024, 10:36
by Sir Alf
We are a couple of central midfielders short of being a upper table team imo. A decent striker ( quick strong ) would perhaps get us near top 6. The coach ( Loppy ) is trying to play his system ( tactics ) with an incomplete or inadequate squad. The fact Loppy was brought in to improve the way we play is arguably his biggest problem as he cannot really resort to low block / Moyesball in games and tbf its something he would not understand anyway. But with our slow central midfield and lacking a player like Rice who gets up and down the pitch at speed, most teams now press us and are able to pass thru and around us too easily.
But Loppy needs to find an answer. He's persisting with Paqueta who has cost us a lot of goals and only had that game at Newcastle where he got a bit more time and space in a deeper position to be effective. Soucek and Rodruiguez, Alvarez and Soler, none of them having the pace, strength or legs to dominate centrally and move the ball at pace or provide the movement. Another coach might take a more pragmatic approach but the root cause of a lot of our problems is that the squad got so depleted and skewed towards playing Moyesball that correcting it in the last summer window meant our recruitment had to be almost perfect. It wasnt by far. We did not get the athleticism needed in central midfield and we bought an old, overpriced, slow striker. Kilman we paid well over the odds for but is decent as is Todibo and our best bit of business was Wan Bassaka even though that hurts to say as it came via Sullivan and Salthouse. Summerville is ok too.
So we will likely ditch Lopetegui but bring in another coach set up to fail this season unless we can pull of a miracle in the Jan window which has never happened. Clubs like ours have to get recruitment right and we point to Steidten but always come back to Sullivan who is still involved and does not allow the club to be run professionally with a long term plan based on recruiting young players for the future. This season has become about staying above the relegation zone and nothing else imo. We aint getting near Europe and Lopetegui will be replaced by Sullivan with another poor sap ( poor not in the financial sense ).
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 02 Dec 2024, 10:32
by SurfaceAgentX2Zero
Could I just say that irrespective of the merits or otherwise of Lopetegui, I couldn't give a fuck about Hammers United in general and what their stance on this issue is in particular?
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 02 Dec 2024, 10:29
by Takashi Miike
Whetstone just repeats whatever script he's been given by Sullivan/Brady. He's a shameless useful idiot cսnt
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 02 Dec 2024, 10:27
by THUNDERCLINT
Whetstone seems to think this clown shoe wearing fraud cսnt is going to get another 6 (SIX) games to waste. It can only mean the no compensation clause kicks in if we're bottom 3 at 19 games because that where this disheveled lanky mess is taking us.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 02 Dec 2024, 10:17
by BillyJenningsBoots
Come On You Irons" wrote: ↑01 Dec 2024, 11:43
I can't believe some of our supporters actually rate 'loser Lop'. After the lucky win at Newcastle (lucky because Newcastle wasted some guilt-edge chances at 0-0 and 0-1) some thought this clown was some kind of guru who was 'getting his message across' to the players. Absolute guff.
Normal service was resumed last evening. A complete lack of desire in the first half, a complete lack of effort and a complete lack of closing down a technically superior opposition team. What kind of tactic is it to just allow them to knock it about with absolutely no closing down or press? A disgraceful tactical set up.
Unfortunately the Newcastle result keeps this loser in a job for a few more weeks, so we will have to endure more of the following:
West Ham 1-3 Man City
West Ham 0-3 Chelsea
Tottenham 4-1 West Ham
West Ham 2-5 Arsenal
We are not even getting close to competing against these teams, despite West Ham being 7th in the league since Guardiola took over at Man City at the start of the 2016-2017 season. Pathetic.
Having 360 back your corner is hardly a glowing endorsement!
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 02 Dec 2024, 09:55
by Massive Attack
Come On You Irons" wrote: ↑01 Dec 2024, 11:43
I can't believe some of our supporters actually rate 'loser Lop'. After the lucky win at Newcastle (lucky because Newcastle wasted some guilt-edge chances at 0-0 and 0-1)
Pathetic.
Lucky....
By all means cսnt the geezer off when he fucks up like against Arsenal, but don't trot out such bollocks that we won that game due to only being lucky.
And pathetic is when you go in to hiding whenever win like against Newcastle..
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 01 Dec 2024, 19:45
by northbankboy68
We have still not had a back to back league win. Hmm.
Mex Martillo" wrote: ↑01 Dec 2024, 09:20
I'm being patient.
You're one of Hammers United's mouthpieces aren't you? If this shambles isn't cause to act what is?
Get it fucking sorted fucking now, or has Sullivan bought you off on the quiet as well?
Lopetegui out now or take action. Earn your fucking corn.
Not officially a mouth piece, just a Hammers United member that has posted their emails on WHO. No idea what Hammers United would say about Lopetegui. Being patient is a personal thing for me. I have never liked not giving managers time. It's a big task we are asking Lopetegui to do. See the thread, Can we ever play passing football?: viewtopic.php?t=5543
I think threesixty expained it well.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 01 Dec 2024, 15:40
by Full Claret Jacket
What we are seeing is a big reaction from Chelsea, Liverpool and now Man Utd from having top managers come in. West Ham have had nothing. For all the signings and promises of changing style we still show the same limitations, frailties and have not put together one game where I've thought we dominated and controlled a game. Even the likes of Brentford, Fulham, Brignton, Wolves have had big dominant wins.
Something is rotten at West Ham and it starts at the top.
The manager has had time to show some promise and nothing has changed. Dire, drab football, the same old players trotting around, the same lack of intensity and focus.
At least some mug has hired Frank Lampard, our moron owner would probably think he is a good choice.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 01 Dec 2024, 14:13
by twoleftfeet
We could have had Amorin
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 01 Dec 2024, 13:51
by Swiss.
I totally agree we should sack Lopetegui but he cannot be totally blamed for giving away 2 pens and some shit defending and especially from Kilman. Instead of that it could have been 2-2.
Arsenal will overrun many a midfield from teams in the lower half of the table.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 01 Dec 2024, 11:56
by fraser
Come On You Irons" wrote: ↑01 Dec 2024, 11:43
I can't believe some of our supporters actually rate 'loser Lop'. After the lucky win at Newcastle (lucky because Newcastle wasted some guilt-edge chances at 0-0 and 0-1) some thought this clown was some kind of guru who was 'getting his message across' to the players. Absolute guff.
Normal service was resumed last evening. A complete lack of desire in the first half, a complete lack of effort and a complete lack of closing down a technically superior opposition team. What kind of tactic is it to just allow them to knock it about with absolutely no closing down or press? A disgraceful tactical set up.
Unfortunately the Newcastle result keeps this loser in a job for a few more weeks, so we will have to endure more of the following:
West Ham 1-3 Man City
West Ham 0-3 Chelsea
Tottenham 4-1 West Ham
West Ham 2-5 Arsenal
We are not even getting close to competing against these teams, despite West Ham being 7th in the league since Guardiola took over at Man City at the start of the 2016-2017 season. Pathetic.
I think others were more grateful the Newcastle win kept you away from here rather than the three points.. Welcome back..
