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I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season

Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit

We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge

But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask

All things considered I'd offer it to Potter, anyone who we can attract will be a risk to an extent, but see him as the least. if we fuck the next one up we could be truly fucked for years.

not when they're a client of the chairman's favourite agent

Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑24 Nov 2024, 10:44 He’s been well and truly found out and just going through the motions now. But then again, this is probably one of the toughest jobs in football and what luck Moyes had (and he had a lot) has now very much run out.

He’s been well and truly found out and just going through the motions now. But then again, this is probably one of the toughest jobs in football and what luck Moyes had (and he had a lot) has now very much run out.

I expect the worst tomorrow. If his team talks are like the press conferences, the players may as well all surround a lump of wood in the middle of the dressing room, it would probably give them more wisdom than El Moyes

He should already be gone, but expect tomorrow nights game to be his last 

whoever comes in just needs to do one if not all of the following things and we’ll have an instant improvement because Lopetegui has failed to do any of these:-

* Don’t play players out of position when there’s no need to

* Don’t continue to play players when they’re bang out of form 

* Don’t play 2 central midfielders that have no pace 

* actually coach players so that they become better 

* give some minutes to the highly rated youth team players we have instead of constantly playing has beens that don’t ever perform 

I've always felt that Sullivan's approach to the club was along the lines of "Well, it's MY club and if you don't like the way I run it you are quite free to fuck off and never come back".

If that perception is true then he really doesn't understand the underlying reason tens of thousands choose to follow the teams they do - or maybe he does understand it and simply sees it as another opportunity to exploit (the fans).

Him and business might mix, when it's something like soft porn and it's customers are not too fussed whether that porn is in Mayfair, Playboy, Penthouse, Men Only or one of the thousands of other jazz-mags that were on the market when he was making his money; but they are fussed when it comes to what team footballers are in at any given time - a football team is not (just) a wrapper for the product in the way a porn magazine is.

At this stage if the season you're pretty much tied to out of work managers...whilst Terzic isn't the most exciting name out there, I could see the dwarf going for a "short term into a long term" deal with him.

Something like 'finish in the top 10 in a 'to the end of the season's deal and then get a 2 year extension' with bonuses on something like final placement to make it attractive enough. Something that doesn't really back the guy and keeps a nice air of instability about the place.

Also from reading up on Terzic, I'm ok with him. He was earmarked from a long way out at Dortmund to be their coach....they'd seen a lot in him they liked. Also he wasn't sacked but asked to be allowed to leave end of season...so was on his terms where he was still in favour with the club. 

He plays well with wingers, takes a 'horses for courses' approach where some games he's setting up to press aggressively, and others is setting up to hit more on the counter.

Whilst he's not Amorim (that decision I hope haunts Sullivan as it's going to haunt us...imagine getting Duran and Amorim wrong in the space of a few days, no doubt all driven by the same 'adviser' in his ear), or Hoeness, we're going to need someone mid season, who's out of work, which means slim pickings (even if Sullivan could be persuaded to pay a release clause in general).

Out of Potter, Ten Haag, Terzic, Conceicao, Moyes, Schmidt...at least Terzic is the one who departed his job after a sustained period of success utilising players that aren't dissimilar to what we have. He's not a youth-promoter, but as a shortish term appointment to get over the Lopetegui hump, who doesn't over complicate it, he'd be alright by me.

There's an interesting fan discussion here by Dortmund fans about what his tactics are like. Doesn't really sound that bad:

https://www.reddit.com/r/borussiadortmund/s/Fg9V9SrGbg

I think the decision to give lopetegui the heave ho . Has already been taken . But in typical dwarf fashion Its being dragged out as  he's looking for the excuse . Which I fully expect to happen tomorrow night . It's going to be terzic . It should never have came to this . Sullivans the issue and until he goes were going to remain in the cycle of constant rinse and repeat .

Manuel wrote: ↑24 Nov 2024, 02:10 Muppets should have pulled the trigger already, look at the league table, we are going to be bottom half all season now. This really feels like a fresh low for us, keep Lop then we're truly fucked, but if we sack him it's hard to be confident also. No mans land, indeed and back to 'normal' for us.

Sir Alf" wrote: ↑23 Nov 2024, 14:58 Just my opinion but if Loppy does get the axe in a couple of games ( because we will almost certainly lose the next 2 ) I am not convinced by this Terzic geezer.  But a connection to the club and sat as Bilic’s go to man ( tactical ) and didnt seem to offer much when we went in that awful run that saw Bilic canned.  And Bundasliga he assumed control by default with a traditionally strong team in that league but what a couple of seasons?  

i like the sound of Hoeness better as he turned a struggling outfit to one at the top end of the league. Thats essentially what we are.

Sullivan will go with Terzic though especially if he’s a client of one of his sychphantic agents, he wont cost anything to get and he will cite experience if West Ham and the league as am assistant as reasons. Only thing different is that Terzic is not an old git.  


 

Terzic ain't the answer for us 
Just a personal opinion ..I like Iraola 






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Massive Attack" wrote: ↑24 Nov 2024, 00:51

kinglewy wrote: ↑23 Nov 2024, 15:47 I would sooner have Carrick 

He's near the top of my list should the Club ditch Lopetegui. Long time admirer of his and would happily have him back at the Club.

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑23 Nov 2024, 14:30 Wanting Lopetegui sacked if we beat both Newcastle and Arsenal and be on 18 points..

Muppets should have pulled the trigger already, look at the league table, we are going to be bottom half all season now. This really feels like a fresh low for us, keep Lop then we're truly fucked, but if we sack him it's hard to be confident also. No mans land, indeed and back to 'normal' for us.

kinglewy wrote: ↑23 Nov 2024, 15:47 I would sooner have Carrick 

I have a feeling Lotepegui knows he’s not up to this job. It’s too much for him and we’re in no man’s land right now as the board works out its next move. Let’s hope Sullivan will have a moment of illumination we can all praise soon.

Thanks Stubbo

For transparency, I've just deleted the last 4 posts on this thread as once again it had descended into poster personality clashes on a thread that is actually focussed on a valid area of discussion. 

Given the chance I'm planning on doing this more often...the vast majority it would seem are tired of petty squabbles between posters that add nothing to the topic of discussion.

If you want to call someone a tiresome cսnt, or whatever the in vogue insult is, at least do it with some evidence and offer a counter perspective on the subject being discussed.

Berating someone simply for contributing an opinion does nothing to help this forum progress or encourage more posters to engage in discussions (the lack of which will be the death of the place).

Any manager worth his salt would have told Sullivan that he’d heard that you are an arrogant little cսnt who knows nothing about football but sticks his pointless nose into football decisions
If that’s true you can stick the job up your tranny wife’s japs eye

Probably why we hear plenty of names that go nowhere 

I'd be quite surprised if several managers have not run a ruler over our squad & academy over the years and felt they could get a tune out of us, only to be put off by Sullivan's slimy tentacles slithering into areas where he clearly has no knowledge but on which has the ultimate last word.

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑23 Nov 2024, 14:30 Wanting Lopetegui sacked if we beat both Newcastle and Arsenal and be on 18 points..

Clubs who are perennially successful:
1. Hire the right managers and back them financially
2. Pay top dollar for the right players and hand 100% of the decision making over to the manager and DOF
3. Don't hang about when a manager is not working out.

We don't really do any of these consistently. Yes we spent 150 million but are some of these players really top drawer?. Look at Duran, we just didn't have the financial appetite to make that transfer happen and while he's banging in the goals at Villa we're stuck with an ageing injury prone striker who hasn't kicked a ball   We'll struggle on with Lop, you know Sullivan wont sack him while we're "safe" which we should be given the current sides. Even if we do sack him it will be someone else uninspiring. 

Sullivan is at the root of all that ails this club, Until we see the back of him we are stuck in a cycle of underwhelming that will be doomed to repeat itself.

 

I would sooner have Carrick 

Just my opinion but if Loppy does get the axe in a couple of games ( because we will almost certainly lose the next 2 ) I am not convinced by this Terzic geezer.  But a connection to the club and sat as Bilic’s go to man ( tactical ) and didnt seem to offer much when we went in that awful run that saw Bilic canned.  And Bundasliga he assumed control by default with a traditionally strong team in that league but what a couple of seasons?  

i like the sound of Hoeness better as he turned a struggling outfit to one at the top end of the league. Thats essentially what we are.

Sullivan will go with Terzic though especially if he’s a client of one of his sychphantic agents, he wont cost anything to get and he will cite experience if West Ham and the league as am assistant as reasons. Only thing different is that Terzic is not an old git.