West Ham Online

"Been through bad time lately with suffering with this. Dark thoughts as well. I know some posters on here suffer with this. Anyone come through the other side of this shit?

"A number of posters have been yellow carded and told to stay off this thread unless they have anything constructive to add.This is a thread that has been very useful to so many, for any other posters with scores to settle, argue on another thread. This thread is sacrosant.Thank you"

"Thanks for confirming that Ray, I have just ordered a copy from Amazon also. Nurse, that is why I highly recommend anything but the infantry, due to the amount of people I have met or known come back from the middle east with out limbs or suffering from PTSD. Invictus Games hits home how many disabled veterans there are, likewise Walking with the Wounded or go on the Help for Heroes website. There are soldiers just getting help now from service in the Falklands google - Gus Hales for example. Combat Stress has failed many of his age. Likewise as Northern said many people have enjoyed their service. But if you are going to a theatre of War, it is never going to be all fun and games and the infantry have it tougher than most."

"I bought my mate Reasons To Stay Alive by Matt Haig as seen on here, I started reading it last night before I send it to him and I think he's going to like it."

I think my depression was exacerbated by being here for a full winter for first time since 2002 I had the shades on listening to house classic once the currant came out a week ago never to be seen again

"Cheers, Sold. I suppose I am worried about what he will see and what he will have to do. Plus, apparently many ex forces struggle to come to terms with civvy street."

"Replying... Logged in as alfs barnet Football Forum Ticket Forum Off-Topic The title of your post: Re: Anxiety/depression Your message: mashed in maryland wrote... ""Unfortunately in his mind this wasn't the case, and her believed that his daughter's life would be richer without him in it"" That is a genuine thing. A lot of people in that state really do logically think that they'll be doing their loved ones a favour if they end it all. Fucking impossible to reason with someone that low. Indeed. It's the most frustrating thing for anyone who's list someone close to suicide. My mother really couldn't cope with the fact that she felt she could have stopped it, talked him out if it if only she'd known."

"""Unfortunately in his mind this wasn't the case, and her believed that his daughter's life would be richer without him in it"" That is a genuine thing. A lot of people in that state really do logically think that they'll be doing their loved ones a favour if they end it all. Fucking impossible to reason with someone that low."

"Manuel wrote... Barnet - I don't need any wisdom from you, old fella. You are depressed because you don't see your kids as often as you would like so you then take an action that means you then don't see them at at all and vice versa? Completely ridiculous, but by all means you carry on rolling out the usual same old cliches. Not really the thread to be starting arguments, but there you go. If you've had any experience of depression or mental illness you'd understand that what seems irrational to you or I will seem completely rational to the person involved. For instance the incident that pushed my brother towards taking his own life was relatively minor and could have been resolved easily. Unfortunately in his mind this wasn't the case, and her believed that his daughter's life would be richer without him in it. He adored his daughter and if he was thinking rationally he would have never done anything to hurt her. Unfortunately he wasn't thinking rationally so now she grows up without a father and will have to cope with the knowledge that her father took his own life when she eventually finds out."

Nurse Ratched 7:50 Mon Feb 17 Re: Anxiety/depression All this talk of ex forces lads becoming depressed and suicidal makes me fear for my son's future. Horrible reading all that. Nursey I know loads of people that have been ex-forces and the vast majority have loved their time serving her madge... I know of three jumpers out of our building since I have been here (20 years)... it's the person... not the job

"My thoughts are with anyone who has had depression - in all its many forms. It's hard to comment on anyone's specific circumstances or experience in any meaningful sense, but it is easy as a human being to feel compassion for someone who has fallen along the way. The more faith, hope and sense of worth disappear and the deeper one falls into the mire, the harder it can be to get out, but it's not impossible. Often it needs a light bulb moment or epiphany to reverse things and begin the climb out. I know from close experience that these moments can be dramatic and illuminating. Best regards to anyone who has suffered or is suffering from depression. Keep going."

"Barnet - I don't need any wisdom from you, old fella. You are depressed because you don't see your kids as often as you would like so you then take an action that means you then don't see them at at all and vice versa? Completely ridiculous, but by all means you carry on rolling out the usual same old cliches."

"Barnet - I don't need any wisdom from you, old fella. You are depressed because you don't see your kids as often as you would like so you then take an action that means you then don't see them at at all and vice versa? Completely ridiculous, but by all means you carry on rolling out the usual same old cliches."

"Manuel wrote... I'm sorry, but topping yourself because you spend less time with your kids makes no sense whatsoever. Suicide rarely makes any sense apart from too the person taking their own life."

"I'm sorry, but topping yourself because you spend less time with your kids makes no sense whatsoever. So now he will never see them at all, miss seeing them grow up, and has left 2 kids without a father in this world. Must have been more to it than that."

"This poem was written for soldiers. But it can resonate with anybody who has to put on a mask and hide their pain and continue as if nothing is up. It's called the Mask. "" Get a grip, I'm expected to succeed, face fear, be strong and take the lead, not resilitate in thoughts or deed. My mask must never slip. Man up and keep my thoughts inside. No one can know how much I cried, When the bloodshed came and the fear arrived. My mask must never slip. Crack on there's no time to reflect or admit I did genuflect and prayed to god, for me to protect. My mask must never slip. Chin up! Worry not about how I feel, never let them know just how surreal it was. Dark thoughts I can't reveal. My mask must never slip."

Just to add to my earlier post. I met this lads parents. He was part of a team protecting Harry. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/901196/Prince-Harry-Afghanistan-soldier-dead-Army-PTSD-treatment The Government as usual has done too little too late. There NHS for veterans service is beyond good but its only been recently invested in. Otherwise it's only Charities that support Veterans and those unwell. Can't underestimate how good the Royal British Legion is for support and care for former Soldiers. But there are loads of good selfless charities running on tight budgets doing loads too. PTSD from military service is the modern day Shell Shock in some way. Sorry to bore all.

"Thanks, Zeb, but I think I'll give the poem a miss üòï"

Sorry for the garbled bollocks too Nurse.

Nurse Ratched 7:50 Mon Feb 17 It is horrible. I am so glad I decided not to go into the Army and was a fair way to getting there (provisional place at Sandhurst). Mind you at the time there wasn't a great deal on at the time but could have ended up in Bosnia or Iraq. I don't want to scare you but there is a fantastic performance poem called pink mist that was written as a response the soldiers experience in Afghanistan drawn from their own experience. Absolutely harrowing.

"As a nation, we don't really treat our ex-servicemen with the respect they deserve. Sadly it's just another facet of our authorities not seeming to want to grasp the whole mental issue area. I strongly suspect that the main reason for continually ignoring it is because the cost of treatment is now likely to be many times what has been saved by brushing it under the carpet and pretending it is not a problem. Continued public suffering is a price they're quite prepared to pay for not having a big bill turn up on their watch."

All this talk of ex forces lads becoming depressed and suicidal makes me fear for my son's future. Horrible reading all that.

Thanks Zeb. Googled it. 5/5 majority of reviews. Gonna give it a read.

"Cut and Paste. This was from a real close Army mate , had two kids but a break up and losing access to kids fucked him up. He was a Sergeant tough as nails. ""A dark period. I stabbed myself in the leg with a big fuck off kitchen knife once, I used broken glass to cut my wrist, then run off and hid in the bushes and hoped I'd bleed to death. But, as with the OD, it was all just crying out for help, but I know exactly how it becomes all consuming, and it seems there's no way it's ever going to end. Before I'd suffered, I'd heard people talk about depression, and think ""man the fuck up u cսnt"" but now I know, I've nothing but understanding and I suppose for want of a better word, sympathy. I look back at it all and wonder how I pulled thru, but I did. You can too. The only thing is what worked for me may not be for you, you need to work that out for yourself?"" Message was 2 years ago when I was bad in Madrid and needed to visit my Mum and Who stepped in. He took his life last year. Just re reading our correspondence. The man had served everywhere many times. His old man was the SAS fella who caught fire on the embassy siege in London years ago. Left 2 kids. Just wanted , as I've witnessed here that even the toughest nuts get lost or fall off the rails and not always drug related or booze. He was clean SAS fit fella. Simply breakdown of a relationship and less time with his kids."

Thanks Ridik Sometimes you think that a rant will help and be cathartic. It doesn't and it isn't of course. Hiding is better.

Zeb This explains so much about you and your posts God bless you.

I'd recommend reading Reasons to stay alive by Matt Haig. So much of it was common to my experience it was ridiculous. Fantastic book.