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Had enough of this arogrant no mark now.  

11 games, 27% win ratio and 0.66 goals per game.

Either the break clause is true or this flake quits otherwise were proper fucked.

El Scorchio" wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 15:22

Maverick180180 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 13:42

El Scorchio" wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 13:15

Well, we will see. 

Everything I’m seeing suggests to me that Potter either doesn’t like Fullkrug or doesn’t like the formation he has to play in order to incorporate him into the team
We were absolutely atrocious against Bournemouth in the first half, but Potter waited 10 minutes to bring Fullkrug on in the second half, that’s got nothing to do with fitness, that was Potter waiting to see if we could equalise and not have to bring Fullkrug on, seems to me he only brings him on when he’s desperate for a goal, not like the rest of us would do and simply play him as much as possible.

If anything it's the latter. Having Fullkrug (or any CF) on makes our already weak midfield that much weaker. I think this is the reason. When he's properly fit he'll start though- he can make up for it with his presence and pressing high up the pitch, not to mention making life a lot more difficult for their centre backs who let's face it are simply not troubled physically by any of our other players. It's too easy to win headers or possession really cleanly and set off good attacks. Being under serious pressure doesn't allow them to do that and gives us more of a chance to press and get more advanced. You can't commit forward if you know the ball is just coming straight back every time and setting up really good attacking positions for the opposition. IMO he will start on Saturday. 

Maverick180180 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 13:42

El Scorchio" wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 13:15

Maverick180180 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 13:00

Prepare to be shocked

Well, we will see. 

Everything I’m seeing suggests to me that Potter either doesn’t like Fullkrug or doesn’t like the formation he has to play in order to incorporate him into the team
We were absolutely atrocious against Bournemouth in the first half, but Potter waited 10 minutes to bring Fullkrug on in the second half, that’s got nothing to do with fitness, that was Potter waiting to see if we could equalise and not have to bring Fullkrug on, seems to me he only brings him on when he’s desperate for a goal, not like the rest of us would do and simply play him as much as possible.

El Scorchio" wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 13:15

Maverick180180 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 13:00

El Scorchio" wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 12:46

I might be remembering it wrong with Lop then, but I felt he was a healthy scratch a lot more than perhaps he was. I don't see a great deal to grumble about with Potter's management of his return from injury though and it's not purely about minutes, it's also about how the game is going at that point. Yes I'd have liked to have seen him play more against Liverpool and that was probably the plan but we were on top so you could argue for not disrupting what was working at that time. He was never starting that one over starting this weekend though. As I just said I'll be shocked if he's not starting on Saturday. 

Prepare to be shocked

Well, we will see. 

Maverick180180 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 13:00

El Scorchio" wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 12:46

Jean-Luc Paul Goddard" wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 12:28

Don't be daft. Why would playing for 30-40 minutes rather than 12 minutes stop him from starting a match 6 days later? If anything it would have helped him last longer and play better in the next game, as well as maybe giving us a chance to get something out of the Liverpool game.

All that stuff about caution and managing his minutes very closely could have just as easily been applied to Lopetegui, but in his case you made up that it was about spite.

I might be remembering it wrong with Lop then, but I felt he was a healthy scratch a lot more than perhaps he was. I don't see a great deal to grumble about with Potter's management of his return from injury though and it's not purely about minutes, it's also about how the game is going at that point. Yes I'd have liked to have seen him play more against Liverpool and that was probably the plan but we were on top so you could argue for not disrupting what was working at that time. He was never starting that one over starting this weekend though. As I just said I'll be shocked if he's not starting on Saturday. 

Prepare to be shocked

El Scorchio" wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 12:46

Jean-Luc Paul Goddard" wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 12:28

El Scorchio" wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 12:17

 

Don't be daft. Why would playing for 30-40 minutes rather than 12 minutes stop him from starting a match 6 days later? If anything it would have helped him last longer and play better in the next game, as well as maybe giving us a chance to get something out of the Liverpool game.

All that stuff about caution and managing his minutes very closely could have just as easily been applied to Lopetegui, but in his case you made up that it was about spite.

I might be remembering it wrong with Lop then, but I felt he was a healthy scratch a lot more than perhaps he was. I don't see a great deal to grumble about with Potter's management of his return from injury though and it's not purely about minutes, it's also about how the game is going at that point. Yes I'd have liked to have seen him play more against Liverpool and that was probably the plan but we were on top so you could argue for not disrupting what was working at that time. He was never starting that one over starting this weekend though. As I just said I'll be shocked if he's not starting on Saturday. 

Jean-Luc Paul Goddard" wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 12:28

El Scorchio" wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 12:17

Clearly he played less against Liverpool so he can start against Saints. Potter is obviously going to use him as much as possible going forward but he's just been managing his minutes very closely. Arguably with too much caution as I think he probably has with Todibo, but the alternative is he gets hurt again so i can understand the caution with the bloke coming off two relatively long/serious injuries already this season. The objective should be to get him primed to start every game next season.

I do notice you omitted that Potter started him against Villa.

Don't be daft. Why would playing for 30-40 minutes rather than 12 minutes stop him from starting a match 6 days later? If anything it would have helped him last longer and play better in the next game, as well as maybe giving us a chance to get something out of the Liverpool game.

All that stuff about caution and managing his minutes very closely could have just as easily been applied to Lopetegui, but in his case you made up that it was about spite.

scott_d wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 12:31

El Scorchio" wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025, 15:06 He's coming back from a serious injury. I assume by limiting his minutes particularly in a low expectation game like Liverpool away, he's being primed for a start on Saturday.


 

 

I hope you're right, but I thought the same after coming off the bench against Bournemouth and scoring, having over a week to recover from those 36 minutes that he would start against Liverpool.  But he was on the bench again.

Everyone expected him to start after his cameo's against Everton and Bournemouth and now once again we expect him to start against Southampton but I would not be surprised if once again he was left on the bench.

scott_d wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 12:34 Why not start with Fullkrug against Liverpool and replace him with Ferguson based on how he's going?  It's not like it's a choice between playing Fullkrug or playing no-one.  Otherwise what's the point of Ferguson.

We've got 2 fit strikers now, use them.


 

Why not start with Fullkrug against Liverpool and replace him with Ferguson based on how he's going?  It's not like it's a choice between playing Fullkrug or playing no-one.  Otherwise what's the point of Ferguson.

We've got 2 fit strikers now, use them.

 

El Scorchio" wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025, 15:06 He's coming back from a serious injury. I assume by limiting his minutes particularly in a low expectation game like Liverpool away, he's being primed for a start on Saturday.

 

 

El Scorchio" wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 12:17

Clearly he played less against Liverpool so he can start against Saints. Potter is obviously going to use him as much as possible going forward but he's just been managing his minutes very closely. Arguably with too much caution as I think he probably has with Todibo, but the alternative is he gets hurt again so i can understand the caution with the bloke coming off two relatively long/serious injuries already this season. The objective should be to get him primed to start every game next season.

I do notice you omitted that Potter started him against Villa.

Jean-Luc Paul Goddard" wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 11:54

El Scorchio" wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025, 15:06 Lopetegui I think didn't play him out of spite as a TS player, but Potter has used him basically every opportunity since he took over.

This is not how it was. At all.

At the start of the season Fullkrug had only done a week's training because of the Euros and stuff. He was clearly not fully fit. In the 4 games before getting injured, he started one and made 3 sub appearances. After he came back from his achilles injury, Lopetegui began playing him more and more each game: 34, 57, 68, 45, 90 mins. (The 45 mins was vs Liverpool). 

After that 90 min game Lopetegui was sacked and then Fullkrug got injured again in Potter's first game. Since then Potter has played him only 45, 36 and 12 minutes.

So there's little difference between the two managers in how they've used him, except that Lopetegui was using him more and more in each game as he returned from injury while Potter has been using him less and less.

El Scorchio" wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025, 15:06 Lopetegui I think didn't play him out of spite as a TS player, but Potter has used him basically every opportunity since he took over.

'Fit' as in available for selection. 

honky cat" wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 11:28

 
As others have commented  Pereira has turned Wolves aroound with the same players. 

But although they were a bit shit, they were a balanced team with fit players in their correct positions.

We have a motley bunch of square pegs in round holes, raspberries, oap's, slowbies, men who cant drive, a one man brazilian gambling syndicate and a couple who dont want to be there.

 
As others have commented  Pereira has turned Wolves aroound with the same players. 

Tbh if we carry on like this I wouldn't have an issue with sacking Potter at the end of the season. On what I've seen I don't think he has what it takes to take us into Europe. 

As others have commented  Pereira has turned Wolves aroound with the same players. 

He's coming back from a serious injury. I assume by limiting his minutes particularly in a low expectation game like Liverpool away, he's being primed for a start on Saturday.

Lopetegui I think didn't play him out of spite as a TS player, but Potter has used him basically every opportunity since he took over.

I don't get the story with Fullkrug and why he's not getting more minutes on the pitch. I can only think the club want to keep him fit and uninjured so he can be sold this summer. to recuperate some money. 

Oops, “Premier League” then

Sir Alf, stop calling it 'The Premiership' every day. That's the Scottish top flight, not ours.

A few "crumbs of comfort" from yesterday's defeat but focusing solely on Potter's results since he's been at the club you have to say its been pretty dismal.  

I like many others am willing to give him the summer transfer window and pre season before writing him off as the latest dud appointment.  We are passing the ball about a lot better and keeping possession better no doubt.  We are also looking far less open / vulnerable defensively.  But we are still unable to progress the ball through the middle third.   And being without a proper centre forward most weeks (for more than 45 mins at best), we are also limited with trying to go more direct via longer diagonals or balls over the top of midfield from defence.  Van Dyke and Konnate yesterday unsurprisingly won 95% of balls launched to Bowen and Kudus.  

It all depends on who we get in summer for central midfield and the forward areas.  Its clear to me now that you cannot pick a  West Ham, centre mid pairing to compete with any team in the Premiership from who is available in our squad.  Even playing 3 in that area we look a yard short, lightweight and cannot press or get near a lot of the opposition teams who now all have very quick, athletic players in that area of the pitch.  This also results in us not being able to create openings through the middle or have players that can break thru the opposition press and run through into the attacking third of the pitch,  What on earth was the thinking of Moyes, once Rice went, Lopetegui and Steidten?  None of them could see the blindingly obvious problem.  And that coupled with the failure to recruit a replacement for Antonio, has rendered our team, quite rightly, as the 4th worst in the division.  Could Potter or any other manager improve results? Possibly but only by going back more to a Moyesball extreme low block, low possession game and countering from 30% of the ball.  The downside of that for Potter I guess would have been to delay playing more with the ball until after the summer.  And besides, he has the luxury of not being in the relegation fight so probably just using the last few games to get the style or system of play in place and working out who he wants to keep.  

Anyway just got to hope that Potter and Macaulay see the above problems which many fans have been highlighting for a long while.  The first and biggest barrier to Potter improving us now though is Sullivan again.  He is the "negotiator" on deals once more.  I will be highly surprised if we get many of Potter and Macaulay's picks.  But if we do get some of them, we will soon know if they are the right profile.  We need youth, pace and physicality.   

The "sword of damocles" is perched above Potter's head right now.  By Sept we will know if it needs to be released.  I have the odds on him at 50:50 edging towards 60:40 against currently.

Manuel wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025, 02:54 Thank fuck for the FOE button on here.

Now fuck off and die you creep.

Thank fuck for the FOE button on here.

Now fuck off and die you creep.

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