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I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season

Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit

We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge

But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask

fraser wrote: ↑07 Nov 2024, 11:12 On the evidence so far I'm not sure it was decent. 

Kilman - way overpriced, I don't care if he was Wolves captain, no leadership and organising of the back line and often sitting behind the rest of the defence 
Füllkrug-Was too old and the wrong profile and fuck knows what he'll bring on the pitch because he's never on it, and when he was he was average at best.. We have him for another 3.5 years 
Summer ville - looks a decent bit of business 
Todibo - looks good also 
Rodriguez =Ok for a free, but just average so fsr
Wan Bissaka's - is definitely good but definitely being used poorly 
Soler - prepared to give him a chance but totally underwhelmed so far 

On the evidence so far I'm not sure it was decent. 

Kilman - way overpriced, I don't care if he was Wolves captain, no leadership and organising of the back line and often sitting behind the rest of the defence 
Füllkrug-Was too old and the wrong profile and fuck knows what he'll bring on the pitch because he's never on it, and when he was he was average at best.. We have him for another 3.5 years 
Summer ville - looks a decent bit of business 
Todibo - looks good also 
Rodriguez =Ok for a free, but just average so fsr
Wan Bissaka's - is definitely good but definitely being used poorly 
Soler - prepared to give him a chance but totally underwhelmed so far 

Our transfer business in the summer was decent:

Kilman
Fullkrug
Summerville
Todibo
Rodriguez
Wan Bissaka
Soler

Adding those new players to the likes of Paqueta, Kudus, Bowen, Antonio, Emerson, Soucek. Jesus wept, we should be flying. 75% of PL clubs would bite your arm off for that squad. I mean, if you were a Man City or Real Madrid fan then maybe that's not a decent transfer window. But, fuck me, since when the fuck do we look at a list like that with disdain. 

The problem is the manager, who cannot speak English, obviously cannot get his ideas across, isn't playing the right team nor is he setting them up properly. He is also complicating matters by trying to be too clever and to get them to do the DM / Sweeper system, inverted full backs, zonal marking, playing possession football without an outlet. It's a mess. And it's all on Lope.



 

ragingbull wrote: ↑06 Nov 2024, 23:22 I thought we won the transfer window,people doing the buying have the wherewithal to make the right purchases.

Turns out we signed a bunch of Jonathan Spectors ☹

I thought we won the transfer window,people doing the buying have the wherewithal to make the right purchases.

Turns out we signed a bunch of Jonathan Spectors ☹

fraser wrote: ↑06 Nov 2024, 14:17

scott_d wrote: ↑06 Nov 2024, 14:09

Rossal wrote: ↑06 Nov 2024, 10:20 Amorim 
Gyökeres
Duran 
Fofana 
Omorodion

This summer could have been very different......instead we have Jlop and Fullkrug. I am sure there is another glaring from this summer i've missed 

But if you think we could or would have had all of those then you're kidding yourself and the Duran thing is laughable because no-one on here wanted to buy him for £40m as a relatively unproven striker with a bad attitude and yet with the benefit of hindsight we've all decided to change our minds and slate the club for not signing him.

I wanted Duran and so did a few others and I didn't think he was too much money... Brighton and Bournemouth both paid similar for players who hadn't played in our league. His talent was obvious

Fofana and the Swede were never on this season as far as I know, they were last season surely. 

Im not sure COYI assessment that our summer budiness was a disaster is quite right but it sure was not as good as it needed to be. That is imo a large part of our current problem. But its also a question of how much the Loppy appointment impacted recruitment. What was the process? Did Steidten and the data analyst team present options based on criteria Loppy specified, budgetary constraints etc or had they identified a list of candidates in all areas of the team / squad and Loppy chose one. Or did Loppy drive the process by specifying the type of olater or outlining his tactics or actually naming them?

And Summerville? Wasnt he a Sullivan pick via agents?  

No one knows.  Some business like the young Brazilian and 3rd keeper was completed early so no Lop influence. Rodruiguez was an earlier recruit and Kilman but the latter was definitely a Loppy choice so perhaps Kilman, Rodruiguez and Soler are Loppy choices, Sommerville the usual Sullivan “gift” to the manager and Guilerhme, Todibo and Fullkrug, Steidten driven recruits?  

We just dont know except that it has fallen well short with an injured, old, slow forward not addressing the striker problem that has existed for 14 years, all the midfield recruits have to COYI’s point, been a disaster too and only the defence really being strengthened imho

Need a manager or coach to be able to work with what we got and implement tactics and coaching that gets the most from them. Same coach hopefully also has the ability to implement the “front foot”, fast transitions and high possession tactics we wanted next season when we have the opportunity to rebuild yet again.  So a coach who is versatile or flexible tactically? 

Rossal wrote: ↑06 Nov 2024, 15:53

fraser wrote: ↑06 Nov 2024, 15:41 We only laid out £5 million on Guilherme apparently, the rest is all add ons and if so not a bad punt at all. Füllkrug was fucking mental though. 

I'd be amazed if that is correct 

fraser wrote: ↑06 Nov 2024, 15:41 We only laid out £5 million on Guilherme apparently, the rest is all add ons and if so not a bad punt at all. Füllkrug was fucking mental though. 

We only laid out £5 million on Guilherme apparently, the rest is all add ons and if so not a bad punt at all. Füllkrug was fucking mental though. 

Yeah the Sporting bloke was last season, Moyes went and watched him.....quite a few times by all accounts but typical us we signed no one. 

Duran did look at lot for 40M to be fair but someone at the club identified him. As Trundle said then settling for Fullkrug is crazy. 

Signing Ghillurme and Fullkrug instead of Duran is mental. 

Ghillurme for a) spending a chunk on the budget on someone who wont participate in the first half of the season  or  b) Spending £25m on a unproven kid that the manager has no interest in playing is just very West Ham 

I thought it was too much money.

But that's why I'm not employed as a football director!

But even if I thought it was, it was obvious to me that Fullkrug wasn't the alternative.

scott_d wrote: ↑06 Nov 2024, 14:09

Rossal wrote: ↑06 Nov 2024, 10:20 Amorim 
Gyökeres
Duran 
Fofana 
Omorodion

This summer could have been very different......instead we have Jlop and Fullkrug. I am sure there is another glaring from this summer i've missed 

But if you think we could or would have had all of those then you're kidding yourself and the Duran thing is laughable because no-one on here wanted to buy him for £40m as a relatively unproven striker with a bad attitude and yet with the benefit of hindsight we've all decided to change our minds and slate the club for not signing him.

scott_d wrote: ↑06 Nov 2024, 14:09

Rossal wrote: ↑06 Nov 2024, 10:20 Amorim 
Gyökeres
Duran 
Fofana 
Omorodion

This summer could have been very different......instead we have Jlop and Fullkrug. I am sure there is another glaring from this summer i've missed 

But if you think we could or would have had all of those then you're kidding yourself and the Duran thing is laughable because no-one on here wanted to buy him for £40m as a relatively unproven striker with a bad attitude and yet with the benefit of hindsight we've all decided to change our minds and slate the club for not signing him.

Rossal wrote: ↑06 Nov 2024, 10:20 Amorim 
Gyökeres
Duran 
Fofana 
Omorodion

This summer could have been very different......instead we have Jlop and Fullkrug. I am sure there is another glaring from this summer i've missed 

Yes, I called it all summer that the club's activity in the transfer window was overrated and actually a disaster.

'Guru Tim' should not get a free pass. The Fullkrug disaster and Guilherme punt are clearly on him.

Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑06 Nov 2024, 10:23 Still makes me laugh that it was suggested we "won" the transfer window by many.

Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑06 Nov 2024, 10:23 Still makes me laugh that it was suggested we "won" the transfer window by many.

Still makes me laugh that it was suggested we "won" the transfer window by many.

Amorim 
Gyökeres
Duran 
Fofana 
Omorodion

This summer could have been very different......instead we have Jlop and Fullkrug. I am sure there is another glaring from this summer i've missed 

To think we could have appointed Amorim in the summer but instead chose to play it cheap as per usual and appoint an unemployed loser to replace Moyes. Cheers Sullivan, you clueless twat.

It will always be a case of one step forward and two steps backward while Sullivan calls the shots, with his clueless, penny-pinching ways. The club is truly a circus under Sullivan, despite Noble outrageously claiming otherwise in 2016.

I take Massive's points, I don't think you would last as long as he has at the top and managed the clubs he has if you don't have a clue, I thought he would be an OK appointment. For whatever reason(s) he isn't getting his message across and it's been a disaster, maybe the communication, or lack of it, is a big issue, particularly when asking players to play a system they aren't use to.

He clearly has no idea what he's doing

He has no clue what formation or players to use

I'm surprised that he's still there

Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 14:21

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 14:15

Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 13:54 That was almost 10 years ago, scott_d.  I wouldn't be holding my breath if I were you.

For his time at Porto, but the time he last did well was only 2 years ago when he was in a title race with Sevillaz after winning the Europa League Trophy. 

His body of decent work spans 15 years since the days he won shit with Spains youths.

Given the time and lengths you go to to try and prove you're right, I wasn't trying to change your mind there.