The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 09 Dec 2024, 09:19
by Come On You Irons
There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
stubbo wrote: ↑09 May 2025, 11:06
Been watching a bit of this guy this week...Multi-Millionaire Trader from Ilford turned Inequality Crusader, Gary Stevenson. Wrote best seller 'The Trading Game'.
Has a theory that the economy is basically fucked, living standards for all but the super rich will continue to fall, and that it's all driven by increasing levels of inequality, and as a result the competition between the super rich and the rest for common resources (Housing, Food, Political Influence, etc) with the Super Rich consuming more and more and at greater scale and as a result there being less left for the 'serfs' (well, middle class down...all about perspective I guess).
Anyway, in this video he talks about why Elon is aligning with Trump, the pushing of anti-immigration agendas by the Super Rich and why that makes so much sense alongside the actual continuation of high levels of immigration.
Thought might be an interesting one for the WHO politico to dissect:
I've posted up his video before, I think he speaks a lot of sense. I especially enjoyed his appearance on question time recently when he made the entire panel shit themselves by claiming they were all millionaires so their kids would be okay. Fiona Bruce nearly had a stroke.
His book is a decent read too.
Communism doesn’t work, there are plenty of examples throughout history that proves it.
This gentleman is from the London School of Economics. Look up the Fabian society to see who they are and what they are….. In short they are socialists.
So what he is saying is nothing new.
As for Elon Musk, man is a genius, he was once the darling of the left with his electric cars. That all changed after he purchased Twitter. However Musk has brought us Spacex and Nueralink too. He has done more good for mankind than any socialist, he is also not a materialist, in fact he is known as a minimalist, he sold
all of his homes and rents his current home. Some would argue this makes him a poor exmple.
As for the media it is obvious that the media bias is to the left with the odd exception, any one arguing otherwise is a fool.
As for allowing the influx of immigration I can see why he would argue that with the Conservative Party in the UK but in no way can you square that to Trump. To do so is ridiculous, It was Biden who allowed mass immigration. Again a major flaw in his argument.
Personally I blame the Globalists! I think we can all agree that is not Trump.
As for the wealth gap growing between the rich and the middle class, blame the Central planners (central banks).
It is their policy of Quantitative easing and zero interest rate program (ZIRP) and Negative Interest rate Program (NIRP) programmes that have inflated asset prices, (real estate and stock prices) that have widened the divide.
Trump is at least doing something about it. It was the corporations who gutted communities by outsourcing US manufacturing jobs for slave labour, lining the pockets of the executives at the expense of the middle class. This is also a contributing factor for the divide. Bringing jobs back even at the expense of corporate profits is the right thing to do for main st.
To say it is just taxation that is to blame is incorrect. It is a number of things, that include Fiscal policy, Monetary policy and Gov’t policy.
What is the solution, it’s all of the above, taxing the rich more is just one solution. Corporations across the globe play the same game as they are all beholden to their shareholders, usually at the expense of their workers, one way to fix this is to give the workers more rights through unions. Although remember these are also the Job providers so that has to be taken into consideration.
The biggest culprits are the Bankers and the Globalists. It ain’t fucking Elon Musk.
Here you go, this explains who the Fabians and the Lo don school of economics.
stubbo wrote: ↑09 May 2025, 11:06
Been watching a bit of this guy this week...Multi-Millionaire Trader from Ilford turned Inequality Crusader, Gary Stevenson. Wrote best seller 'The Trading Game'.
Has a theory that the economy is basically fucked, living standards for all but the super rich will continue to fall, and that it's all driven by increasing levels of inequality, and as a result the competition between the super rich and the rest for common resources (Housing, Food, Political Influence, etc) with the Super Rich consuming more and more and at greater scale and as a result there being less left for the 'serfs' (well, middle class down...all about perspective I guess).
Anyway, in this video he talks about why Elon is aligning with Trump, the pushing of anti-immigration agendas by the Super Rich and why that makes so much sense alongside the actual continuation of high levels of immigration.
Thought might be an interesting one for the WHO politico to dissect:
I've posted up his video before, I think he speaks a lot of sense. I especially enjoyed his appearance on question time recently when he made the entire panel shit themselves by claiming they were all millionaires so their kids would be okay. Fiona Bruce nearly had a stroke.
His book is a decent read too.
Communism doesn’t work, there are plenty of examples throughout history that proves it.
This gentleman is from the London School of Economics. Look up the Fabian society to see who they are and what they are….. In short they are socialists.
So what he is saying is nothing new.
As for Elon Musk, man is a genius, he was once the darling of the left with his electric cars. That all changed after he purchased Twitter. However Musk has brought us Spacex and Nueralink too. He has done more good for mankind than any socialist, he is also not a materialist, in fact he is known as a minimalist, he sold
all of his homes and rents his current home. Some would argue this makes him a poor exmple.
As for the media it is obvious that the media bias is to the left with the odd exception, any one arguing otherwise is a fool.
As for allowing the influx of immigration I can see why he would argue that with the Conservative Party in the UK but in no way can you square that to Trump. To do so is ridiculous, It was Biden who allowed mass immigration. Again a major flaw in his argument.
Personally I blame the Globalists! I think we can all agree that is not Trump.
As for the wealth gap growing between the rich and the middle class, blame the Central planners (central banks).
It is their policy of Quantitative easing and zero interest rate program (ZIRP) and Negative Interest rate Program (NIRP) programmes that have inflated asset prices, (real estate and stock prices) that have widened the divide.
Trump is at least doing something about it. It was the corporations who gutted communities by outsourcing US manufacturing jobs for slave labour, lining the pockets of the executives at the expense of the middle class. This is also a contributing factor for the divide. Bringing jobs back even at the expense of corporate profits is the right thing to do for main st.
To say it is just taxation that is to blame is incorrect. It is a number of things, that include Fiscal policy, Monetary policy and Gov’t policy.
What is the solution, it’s all of the above, taxing the rich more is just one solution. Corporations across the globe play the same game as they are all beholden to their shareholders, usually at the expense of their workers, one way to fix this is to give the workers more rights through unions. Although remember these are also the Job providers so that has to be taken into consideration.
The biggest culprits are the Bankers and the Globalists. It ain’t fucking Elon Musk.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 09 May 2025, 11:16
by goose
stubbo wrote: ↑09 May 2025, 11:06
Been watching a bit of this guy this week...Multi-Millionaire Trader from Ilford turned Inequality Crusader, Gary Stevenson. Wrote best seller 'The Trading Game'.
Has a theory that the economy is basically fucked, living standards for all but the super rich will continue to fall, and that it's all driven by increasing levels of inequality, and as a result the competition between the super rich and the rest for common resources (Housing, Food, Political Influence, etc) with the Super Rich consuming more and more and at greater scale and as a result there being less left for the 'serfs' (well, middle class down...all about perspective I guess).
Anyway, in this video he talks about why Elon is aligning with Trump, the pushing of anti-immigration agendas by the Super Rich and why that makes so much sense alongside the actual continuation of high levels of immigration.
Thought might be an interesting one for the WHO politico to dissect:
I've posted up his video before, I think he speaks a lot of sense. I especially enjoyed his appearance on question time recently when he made the entire panel shit themselves by claiming they were all millionaires so their kids would be okay. Fiona Bruce nearly had a stroke.
His book is a decent read too.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 09 May 2025, 11:06
by stubbo
Been watching a bit of this guy this week...Multi-Millionaire Trader from Ilford turned Inequality Crusader, Gary Stevenson. Wrote best seller 'The Trading Game'.
Has a theory that the economy is basically fucked, living standards for all but the super rich will continue to fall, and that it's all driven by increasing levels of inequality, and as a result the competition between the super rich and the rest for common resources (Housing, Food, Political Influence, etc) with the Super Rich consuming more and more and at greater scale and as a result there being less left for the 'serfs' (well, middle class down...all about perspective I guess).
Anyway, in this video he talks about why Elon is aligning with Trump, the pushing of anti-immigration agendas by the Super Rich and why that makes so much sense alongside the actual continuation of high levels of immigration.
Thought might be an interesting one for the WHO politico to dissect:
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Oh I’m sure the US auto makers can make any adjustments necessary.
Please excuse my cynicism on your forecasts but you’ve been dead wrong on everything, what makes you think you have any credibility?
Poor Goose, just stacking up losses. We’re gonna have to rename you Potter soon.
Adjustments???
just adjust them from left hand drive to right hand?
you have no clue how these things are manufactured.
I’m sure they’ll figure it out Goose.
So you wanna take a car which is more expensive to make, add complexity into the manufacturing process to make it even more expensive, and then ship it across the Atlantic and make it even more expensive?
yeh that’ll work.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
He talked about it post Brexit but never followed it through.
Theres a reason Tesla use Germany (location & cost). They’re not changing that and neither are you.
Not to mention the fact that American produced cars don’t meet U.K. safety standards so your essentially needing an entire new plant to make U.K. ready cars.
Oh I’m sure the US auto makers can make any adjustments necessary.
Please excuse my cynicism on your forecasts but you’ve been dead wrong on everything, what makes you think you have any credibility?
Poor Goose, just stacking up losses. We’re gonna have to rename you Potter soon.
Adjustments???
just adjust them from left hand drive to right hand?
you have no clue how these things are manufactured.
I’m sure they’ll figure it out Goose.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Who knows maybe Elon will open a plant in the UK now we have our new trade agreement.
However I’d like to know how you know exactly what Tesla’s plans are for future production for the UK consumer?
Are you making shit up again?
He talked about it post Brexit but never followed it through.
Theres a reason Tesla use Germany (location & cost). They’re not changing that and neither are you.
Not to mention the fact that American produced cars don’t meet U.K. safety standards so your essentially needing an entire new plant to make U.K. ready cars.
Oh I’m sure the US auto makers can make any adjustments necessary.
Please excuse my cynicism on your forecasts but you’ve been dead wrong on everything, what makes you think you have any credibility?
Poor Goose, just stacking up losses. We’re gonna have to rename you Potter soon.
Adjustments???
just adjust them from left hand drive to right hand?
you have no clue how these things are manufactured.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Yup ALL the Tesla’s sold in the U.K. are manufactured in Germany and China.
Who knows maybe Elon will open a plant in the UK now we have our new trade agreement.
However I’d like to know how you know exactly what Tesla’s plans are for future production for the UK consumer?
Are you making shit up again?
He talked about it post Brexit but never followed it through.
Theres a reason Tesla use Germany (location & cost). They’re not changing that and neither are you.
Not to mention the fact that American produced cars don’t meet U.K. safety standards so your essentially needing an entire new plant to make U.K. ready cars.
Oh I’m sure the US auto makers can make any adjustments necessary.
Please excuse my cynicism on your forecasts but you’ve been dead wrong on everything, what makes you think you have any credibility?
Poor Goose, just stacking up losses. We’re gonna have to rename you Potter soon.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Tesla's vehicles are produced at factories worldwide. Here's a breakdown:
Austin, Texas: Currently produces the Model Y, with plans to manufacture the Cybertruck and Roadster in the future. Also Tesla's global headquarters.
Grünheide, Germany: Produces the Model Y.
Fremont, California: Produces the Model S, Model X, Model 3, and Model Y.
Nevada: One of the world's largest plants for electric vehicle components.
Shanghai, China: Produces the Model 3 and Model Y.
Yup ALL the Tesla’s sold in the U.K. are manufactured in Germany and China.
Who knows maybe Elon will open a plant in the UK now we have our new trade agreement.
However I’d like to know how you know exactly what Tesla’s plans are for future production for the UK consumer?
Are you making shit up again?
He talked about it post Brexit but never followed it through.
Theres a reason Tesla use Germany (location & cost). They’re not changing that and neither are you.
Not to mention the fact that American produced cars don’t meet U.K. safety standards so your essentially needing an entire new plant to make U.K. ready cars.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
You mean the Tesla’s that are manufactured in Germany and China?
Poor Goose
Tesla's vehicles are produced at factories worldwide. Here's a breakdown:
Austin, Texas: Currently produces the Model Y, with plans to manufacture the Cybertruck and Roadster in the future. Also Tesla's global headquarters.
Grünheide, Germany: Produces the Model Y.
Fremont, California: Produces the Model S, Model X, Model 3, and Model Y.
Nevada: One of the world's largest plants for electric vehicle components.
Shanghai, China: Produces the Model 3 and Model Y.
Yup ALL the Tesla’s sold in the U.K. are manufactured in Germany and China.
Who knows maybe Elon will open a plant in the UK now we have our new trade agreement.
However I’d like to know how you know exactly what Tesla’s plans are for future production for the UK consumer?
Are you making shit up again?
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
“I thought the idea was to stop importing foreign goods and manufacture them in the US”
Here you go again showing your ignorance.
manufacturing essential items and items of national security yes and others. But not everything numb nuts.
Did you ever think that with more competition prices could come down? OR manufacturers will eat some or all of the Tariffs? Might want to go out and buy some stocks as they say better late than never.
Poor old Goose, he’s having a nightmare!
Oh so the manufacturer should make less margin? Great idea, what do you suppose happens when companies start making less profits?
which essential items will the US be manufacturing that it doesn’t currently?
US Steel and Aluminum was on life support. Chips and Ships AI, auto manufacturing, Ford is booming and expanding etc:
Semiconductors we’ve spoken about, you won’t be taking manufacturing from China or Taiwan etc etc.
Cars they already manufacture.
Ships, how many ships do you think the US builds a year? Last year it built 10 military ships and 5 commercial ships.
China built over 1,000.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
“I thought the idea was to stop importing foreign goods and manufacture them in the US”
Here you go again showing your ignorance.
manufacturing essential items and items of national security yes and others. But not everything numb nuts.
Did you ever think that with more competition prices could come down? OR manufacturers will eat some or all of the Tariffs? Might want to go out and buy some stocks as they say better late than never.
Poor old Goose, he’s having a nightmare!
Oh so the manufacturer should make less margin? Great idea, what do you suppose happens when companies start making less profits?
which essential items will the US be manufacturing that it doesn’t currently?
US Steel and Aluminum was on life support. Chips and Ships AI, auto manufacturing, Ford is booming and expanding etc:
Rust belt is about to become the Gold belt.
MAGA!
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Theres still a 10% tariff on nearly all U.K. imports, which means they’ll cost the consumer more than they did a few months ago. Or it means people will buy less of them. Neither is a great result is it?
I thought the idea was to stop importing foreign goods and manufacture them in the US? When is that starting?
btw which American cars do you think are going to sell over here?
“I thought the idea was to stop importing foreign goods and manufacture them in the US”
Here you go again showing your ignorance.
manufacturing essential items and items of national security yes and others. But not everything numb nuts.
Did you ever think that with more competition prices could come down? OR manufacturers will eat some or all of the Tariffs? Might want to go out and buy some stocks as they say better late than never.
Poor old Goose, he’s having a nightmare!
Oh so the manufacturer should make less margin? Great idea, what do you suppose happens when companies start making less profits?
which essential items will the US be manufacturing that it doesn’t currently?
US Steel and Aluminum was on life support. Chips and Ships AI, auto manufacturing, Ford is booming and expanding etc:
