Lopetegui (sacked 8.1.2025)

[maverick180]

I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season

Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit

We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge

But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask

[Takashi Miike]

I always thought the jock press conferences were bad, with the soft, almost scripted/pre-prepared questions lined up for him each week but even that negative fucker tried to answer the questions. This cսnt gives nothing away, they may as well be talking to a lump of wood for fifteen minutes

[Manuel]

Further to the chat about those wanting a change already because they've seen enough - it may well be the case a change might be needed - I'll put forward another example, other than the Chelsea one last season under Pochettino, of how long it can actually take before things get a lot better and that's the impressive Iraola down at Bournemouth. 

I think it's fair to say most people are now suddenly impressed with the excellent work he's doing with Bournemouth, in particular gaining big scalps against both Man City and Arsenal, as well as not losing to Villa within the past month jumping to 9th in the table. However, cast your minds back to the beginning of his time as Bournemouth's new manager last season and you'll see plenty of evidence of it not working at all. 

In his first 10 games, he only won once (the 10th game at home to Burnley), losing 6 and even got smashed 1-6 at home to Man City around the same time last year in the 11th League game, as well as getting knocked out the League Cup at home to Liverpool during all this time of his reign beginning.

Now that's a terrible run of form only winning once, whilst leaking 21 goals looking utterly wank staring a relegation battle in the face from the start of a new season having only just rocked up there. 

Now fast forward throughout the same season and you'll discover he eventually gets a grip of it all and the players start to understand what he wants to do by finishing a credible 3 places higher than the season before in 12th scoring 17 more goals thanthe previous season under Gary O'Neil who some fans got all horny about back then (now look at him).

Then come back to the present day and you'll see Bournemouth have started the new season absolutely flying playing excellent easy on the Football at both ends of the pitch, everyone knowing what theyre doing and now sit pretty in the table in 9th scoring for fun and coneding very few. 

Sometimes it just takes a fair bit of time for things to get worked out and for a new manager to eventually implement all his ideas the ways he wants his Team's to play. And no, I'm not saying it's  a guarantee Lopetegui will work out or that he hasn't made a hash of it so far, but as the Iraola example proves, managers do need plenty of time to turn around a Club's philosophy, especially when we consider we are trying to go from 1 extreme of playing style, to the other. It was always going to take time, regardless of who took over with so much to sort out and why I gave any new manager the whole season shoukd it be needed, barring a catastrophe of facing a relegation battle come Christmas. 

Go have a butchers at Bournemouth's results and compare it to what they're doing now and a long process of taking a whole year to finally get there...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2 ... uth_season

Why are you bothering, really? You aren't going to convince a single person. This chump can't even speak or understand English? Did Iraola change his team and formation every week and have rucks with his players?

This is a West Ham Football Forum ain't it? So sorry for coming up with a different point of view and making the effort to put it forward. Clearly everyone's convinced it's a forgone conclusion and that an immediate change is precisely what we need.

 

 

I've read and I'm opposing your view. So again, did Iraola change his team and formation every week and have rucks with his players? And could he speak and understand English? I think they are key points, no, since you are comparing the two?

[Lee Trundle]

Worst manager in the league, I reckon.

[Massive Attack]

Further to the chat about those wanting a change already because they've seen enough - it may well be the case a change might be needed - I'll put forward another example, other than the Chelsea one last season under Pochettino, of how long it can actually take before things get a lot better and that's the impressive Iraola down at Bournemouth. 

I think it's fair to say most people are now suddenly impressed with the excellent work he's doing with Bournemouth, in particular gaining big scalps against both Man City and Arsenal, as well as not losing to Villa within the past month jumping to 9th in the table. However, cast your minds back to the beginning of his time as Bournemouth's new manager last season and you'll see plenty of evidence of it not working at all. 

In his first 10 games, he only won once (the 10th game at home to Burnley), losing 6 and even got smashed 1-6 at home to Man City around the same time last year in the 11th League game, as well as getting knocked out the League Cup at home to Liverpool during all this time of his reign beginning.

Now that's a terrible run of form only winning once, whilst leaking 21 goals looking utterly wank staring a relegation battle in the face from the start of a new season having only just rocked up there. 

Now fast forward throughout the same season and you'll discover he eventually gets a grip of it all and the players start to understand what he wants to do by finishing a credible 3 places higher than the season before in 12th scoring 17 more goals thanthe previous season under Gary O'Neil who some fans got all horny about back then (now look at him).

Then come back to the present day and you'll see Bournemouth have started the new season absolutely flying playing excellent easy on the Football at both ends of the pitch, everyone knowing what theyre doing and now sit pretty in the table in 9th scoring for fun and coneding very few. 

Sometimes it just takes a fair bit of time for things to get worked out and for a new manager to eventually implement all his ideas the ways he wants his Team's to play. And no, I'm not saying it's  a guarantee Lopetegui will work out or that he hasn't made a hash of it so far, but as the Iraola example proves, managers do need plenty of time to turn around a Club's philosophy, especially when we consider we are trying to go from 1 extreme of playing style, to the other. It was always going to take time, regardless of who took over with so much to sort out and why I gave any new manager the whole season shoukd it be needed, barring a catastrophe of facing a relegation battle come Christmas. 

Go have a butchers at Bournemouth's results and compare it to what they're doing now and a long process of taking a whole year to finally get there...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2 ... uth_season

Why are you bothering, really? You aren't going to convince a single person. This chump can't even speak or understand English? Did Iraola change his team and formation every week and have rucks with his players?

This is a West Ham Football Forum ain't it? So sorry for coming up with a different point of view and making the effort to put it forward. Clearly everyone's convinced it's a forgone conclusion and that an immediate change is precisely what we need.

[Manuel]

Further to the chat about those wanting a change already because they've seen enough - it may well be the case a change might be needed - I'll put forward another example, other than the Chelsea one last season under Pochettino, of how long it can actually take before things get a lot better and that's the impressive Iraola down at Bournemouth. 

I think it's fair to say most people are now suddenly impressed with the excellent work he's doing with Bournemouth, in particular gaining big scalps against both Man City and Arsenal, as well as not losing to Villa within the past month jumping to 9th in the table. However, cast your minds back to the beginning of his time as Bournemouth's new manager last season and you'll see plenty of evidence of it not working at all. 

In his first 10 games, he only won once (the 10th game at home to Burnley), losing 6 and even got smashed 1-6 at home to Man City around the same time last year in the 11th League game, as well as getting knocked out the League Cup at home to Liverpool during all this time of his reign beginning.

Now that's a terrible run of form only winning once, whilst leaking 21 goals looking utterly wank staring a relegation battle in the face from the start of a new season having only just rocked up there. 

Now fast forward throughout the same season and you'll discover he eventually gets a grip of it all and the players start to understand what he wants to do by finishing a credible 3 places higher than the season before in 12th scoring 17 more goals thanthe previous season under Gary O'Neil who some fans got all horny about back then (now look at him).

Then come back to the present day and you'll see Bournemouth have started the new season absolutely flying playing excellent easy on the Football at both ends of the pitch, everyone knowing what theyre doing and now sit pretty in the table in 9th scoring for fun and coneding very few. 

Sometimes it just takes a fair bit of time for things to get worked out and for a new manager to eventually implement all his ideas the ways he wants his Team's to play. And no, I'm not saying it's  a guarantee Lopetegui will work out or that he hasn't made a hash of it so far, but as the Iraola example proves, managers do need plenty of time to turn around a Club's philosophy, especially when we consider we are trying to go from 1 extreme of playing style, to the other. It was always going to take time, regardless of who took over with so much to sort out and why I gave any new manager the whole season shoukd it be needed, barring a catastrophe of facing a relegation battle come Christmas. 

Go have a butchers at Bournemouth's results and compare it to what they're doing now and a long process of taking a whole year to finally get there...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2 ... uth_season

Why are you bothering, really? You aren't going to convince a single person. This chump can't even speak or understand English? Did Iraola change his team and formation every week and have rucks with his players?

[cholo]

A square peg in a round hole springs to mind.

Unsuited to the remit of playing "attractive football" and is trying to wing it.

Sullivan strikes again.

[Massive Attack]

Further to the chat about those wanting a change already because they've seen enough - it may well be the case a change might be needed - I'll put forward another example, other than the Chelsea one last season under Pochettino, of how long it can actually take before things get a lot better and that's the impressive Iraola down at Bournemouth. 

I think it's fair to say most people are now suddenly impressed with the excellent work he's doing with Bournemouth, in particular gaining big scalps against both Man City and Arsenal, as well as not losing to Villa within the past month jumping to 9th in the table. However, cast your minds back to the beginning of his time as Bournemouth's new manager last season and you'll see plenty of evidence of it not working at all. 

In his first 10 games, he only won once (the 10th game at home to Burnley), losing 6 and even got smashed 1-6 at home to Man City around the same time last year in the 11th League game, as well as getting knocked out the League Cup at home to Liverpool during all this time of his reign beginning.

Now that's a terrible run of form only winning once, whilst leaking 21 goals looking utterly wank staring a relegation battle in the face from the start of a new season having only just rocked up there. 

Now fast forward throughout the same season and you'll discover he eventually gets a grip of it all and the players start to understand what he wants to do by finishing a credible 3 places higher than the season before in 12th scoring 17 more goals thanthe previous season under Gary O'Neil who some fans got all horny about back then (now look at him).

Then come back to the present day and you'll see Bournemouth have started the new season absolutely flying playing excellent easy on the Football at both ends of the pitch, everyone knowing what theyre doing and now sit pretty in the table in 9th scoring for fun and coneding very few. 

Sometimes it just takes a fair bit of time for things to get worked out and for a new manager to eventually implement all his ideas the ways he wants his Team's to play. And no, I'm not saying it's  a guarantee Lopetegui will work out or that he hasn't made a hash of it so far, but as the Iraola example proves, managers do need plenty of time to turn around a Club's philosophy, especially when we consider we are trying to go from 1 extreme of playing style, to the other. It was always going to take time, regardless of who took over with so much to sort out and why I gave any new manager the whole season shoukd it be needed, barring a catastrophe of facing a relegation battle come Christmas. 

Go have a butchers at Bournemouth's results and compare it to what they're doing now and a long process of taking a whole year to finally get there...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2 ... uth_season

[THUNDERCLINT]

He was good at Wolves was he? Well he's beyond fucking uselless here. What sort of cross-eyed, window licking buffoon do you have to be to really think using a 5 minute cameo at Wolves is a reasonable arguement for continuing this managerial pantomime?

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

It’s funny people make out Lopetegui needs time whilst harping on about how great he was in a short time at Wolves.

He didn’t really do anything impressive. It was 5 more points than we got over 23 games. I can’t remember a single call for us to have gone for him before he was linked with us either.

I remember we beat his wolves side comfortably...and we were shit 

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

It's not happening under this bloke.
We all see it.
Round and round we go
it truly does strike another blow in the heart because we all know how Sullivan will play this.

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[Massive Attack]

I think Kilman is a dreadful defender. He was meant to be the key to change our defence but it’s actually worse with him. Embarrassing that we paid close to 50m for him.




 

We're both watching a very different player. Looks to be worth every penny in today's silly prices, as I said he would and he's only just starting..

[Massive Attack]

If records are records 
why don’t we sign Geoff Hurst to play up front again 

you’re comparing his time as a youth team coach to the premier league 
Peter Taylor was the dogs bollocks as a youth team coach, absolute failure as a premier league coach 

do you remember that? Dick head 

He ain't just comparing 1 isolated managerial role though at youth level, is he but senior level too, as well as at Club level, like how he got on with Wolves in the Premier League not so long ago. 

[Maverick180180]

If records are records 
why don’t we sign Geoff Hurst to play up front again 

you’re comparing his time as a youth team coach to the premier league 
Peter Taylor was the dogs bollocks as a youth team coach, absolute failure as a premier league coach 

do you remember that? Dick head 

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

It’s funny people make out Lopetegui needs time whilst harping on about how great he was in a short time at Wolves.

He didn’t really do anything impressive. It was 5 more points than we got over 23 games. I can’t remember a single call for us to have gone for him before he was linked with us either.

[RootsRadical]

Roots radical - so what have you seen that suggests that this is a manger that knows anything about football?

surely you understand that there are professional football managers out there that are absolutely terrible, despite being classed as professionals 

what have you seen from Lopetegui that suggests that he’s not one of them and if we stick with him, all while become good 

not looking for an argument, just a genuine question 

His record at youth & senior level at international and club level speaks for itself.
To claim that he doesn't know anything about football is ridiculous.

so YOU’VE seen nothing at all, you’re basing it upon a record that you haven’t watched anything of at all

well don’t I feel stupid 

 

 

A record is a record, it's factual and speaks for itself.
I don't need to have witnessed it (though I was quite impressed with how he turned Wolves around to get them finished above us in his short time there)
You claimed he knows nothing about football which is obviously wrong.

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

I think Kilman is a dreadful defender. He was meant to be the key to change our defence but it’s actually worse with him. Embarrassing that we paid close to 50m for him.

It’s going to be almost impossible to get him off our books with his ridiculous 7 year contract.

As for the rest of the squad, each player is so far out of form, they are losing status and value. Which will make it very difficult to spend our way out of this. Especially if we stick by this idiot.

Lopetegui is turning us into the next Everton.
 

[onsideman]

Unquestionably many more mistakes than successes

Good  -

Kudus
Kilman 

Todibo
Alvarez

Wan-Bissaka 

Summerville 

 

Unsure - 

Fullkrug

Guilherme 

Soler
Irving

Bad -

Rodriquez 
Mavropanos


I see more successes than failures but generally speaking it's still very early days.

 

 

of your successes...

Kilman overpriced
Todibo unproven
Alvarez overrated
Summerville untrusted

Of your unsure...

Every one of them unsuited to our immediate requirements 

Take those rose-tinted glasses off and have a constructive discussion 

[Maverick180180]

Tired of arguing

were going down 

and we deserve to go down 

 

[Maverick180180]

Roots radical - so what have you seen that suggests that this is a manger that knows anything about football?

surely you understand that there are professional football managers out there that are absolutely terrible, despite being classed as professionals 

what have you seen from Lopetegui that suggests that he’s not one of them and if we stick with him, all while become good 

not looking for an argument, just a genuine question 

His record at youth & senior level at international and club level speaks for itself.
To claim that he doesn't know anything about football is ridiculous.

so YOU’VE seen nothing at all, you’re basing it upon a record that you haven’t watched anything of at all

well don’t I feel stupid 

[RootsRadical]

We're 10 games in and 14th.
Hardly armageddon time.
The same clueless knicker wetters who have been slagging Soucek off for 2 years (who has been one of best players this season and was missed yesterday) are the same ones demanding we sack a new manager at this stage of a season, some after even just 1, 2  or a handful of games
​​​​​​Can't think of many new managers who've lost their job after 10 games, or when that's worked out well on the odd occasion it happened, but there's a few examples of managers when given time have come good.





 

In what way was Soucek missed yesterday? Do you think he would have cleared the cross that Wood scored from? We lost yesterday because he went up there in surrender mode, with seven defensive players, most of the team out of position and the cսnt expecting Bowen & Jimmy to beat Forest on their own. But of course, a fucking div like you thinks it's because we were missing Potato Salad

 

 

I wasn't claiming that Soucek would have stopped any of those goals Forest scored, but seeing as he is more of a presence in both boxes than any other of our mdfielders are he may have, plus he's been one of our better players this season who has made a difference in games, so yeh we missed him yesterday.
No need to call people divs for having a valid opinion, grow up!

[Massive Attack]

Unquestionably many more mistakes than successes

Good  -

Kudus
Kilman 

Todibo
Alvarez

Wan-Bissaka 

Summerville 

 

Unsure - 

Fullkrug

Guilherme 

Soler
Irving

Bad -

Rodriquez 
Mavropanos


I see more successes than failures but generally speaking it's still very early days.

[Massive Attack]

Roots radical - so what have you seen that suggests that this is a manger that knows anything about football?

surely you understand that there are professional football managers out there that are absolutely terrible, despite being classed as professionals 

what have you seen from Lopetegui that suggests that he’s not one of them and if we stick with him, all while become good 

not looking for an argument, just a genuine question 

His record at youth & senior level at international and club level speaks for itself.
To claim that he doesn't know anything about football is ridiculous.

 

 

Clearly doesn't count, all that. Only the bad form counts these days. All those International Spanish players not wanting to play for him was clearly evident too because he knows zilch about the game at all levels.

[onsideman]

Unquestionably many more mistakes than successes

[Massive Attack]

Most people liked Steidten a lot when he returned home with both Kudus and Alvarez after smoking a few joints in Holland. Now they're both in poor form currently, he's a useless wanker as well who needs sacking after only being here a year. 

As I said earlier, modern football has created a monster where fans now demand instant success and can't be seen to make mistakes along the way, even at the beginning of their time at a Club. 





 

 

You see that's bollocks, and that kind of shows you up. It's nothing about the form of two players who were currently better last season than this but who were hardly unknown and were purchased because we outbid others.  He's under my microscope because with £150m he found two shitty midfielders, one right winger who doesn't play and was always going to be behind our 2 best players who occupy the same position, a left winger who the manager doesn't fancy, a slow 31 year old centre forward, an 'ok' centre half for £40m to add to the Greek disaster from a year ago and no keeper or left back. That's why 

 

 

That wasn't the point I was making. Only to say he has had some success in the market that most people were ecstatic about at the time (I still am for all their faults in their current form).

And I even mentioned in a post soon after that he isn't blameless having made mistake in recruitment..

[onsideman]

...and if he seriously couldn't see where our squad was deficient then he's fucking blind as well as inadequate