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goose wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 21:22Nutsin wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 21:20goose wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 21:01No more desperate for a trade deal than Trump is I would say. Who wouldn’t want a mutually beneficial deal with the fastest growing economy in the G20.
The UK economy actually grew more than the US in Q1 although that’s nothing to write home about.
As for taxation, no it hasn’t gone up. It actually went down last year. Employer contributions have gone up.
If you look at taxation + healthcare contributions as a % of GDP the U.K. is pretty much in line with the USA.Sounds like you’re a bit defensive. Your true colours are shining through. Confirms everything Ive been saying about you. Your dirty little secret is out!My dirty little secret that I can read some numbers off a graph or table? Or that I understand when taxes go down instead of up?
Yeh you got me there.
Nutsin wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 21:21Nutsin wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 21:20goose wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 21:01No more desperate for a trade deal than Trump is I would say. Who wouldn’t want a mutually beneficial deal with the fastest growing economy in the G20.
The UK economy actually grew more than the US in Q1 although that’s nothing to write home about.
As for taxation, no it hasn’t gone up. It actually went down last year. Employer contributions have gone up.
If you look at taxation + healthcare contributions as a % of GDP the U.K. is pretty much in line with the USA.Sounds like you’re a bit defensive. Your true colours are shining through. Confirms everything Ive been saying about you. Your dirty little secret is out!I’ll take Trump over Starmer any day of the week.
Nutsin wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 21:20goose wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 21:01Nutsin wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 20:34Because he needs a win bad after the elections and the economy is on life support, plus there is the cost of immigration that is gonna continue to rise as more and more pile in. They are already raising N I contributions, taxation is through the roof and benefits are getting cut. Desperate times call for desperate measures.No more desperate for a trade deal than Trump is I would say. Who wouldn’t want a mutually beneficial deal with the fastest growing economy in the G20.
The UK economy actually grew more than the US in Q1 although that’s nothing to write home about.
As for taxation, no it hasn’t gone up. It actually went down last year. Employer contributions have gone up.
If you look at taxation + healthcare contributions as a % of GDP the U.K. is pretty much in line with the USA.Sounds like you’re a bit defensive. Your true colours are shining through. Confirms everything Ive been saying about you. Your dirty little secret is out!
Nutsin wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 21:20goose wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 21:01Nutsin wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 20:34Because he needs a win bad after the elections and the economy is on life support, plus there is the cost of immigration that is gonna continue to rise as more and more pile in. They are already raising N I contributions, taxation is through the roof and benefits are getting cut. Desperate times call for desperate measures.No more desperate for a trade deal than Trump is I would say. Who wouldn’t want a mutually beneficial deal with the fastest growing economy in the G20.
The UK economy actually grew more than the US in Q1 although that’s nothing to write home about.
As for taxation, no it hasn’t gone up. It actually went down last year. Employer contributions have gone up.
If you look at taxation + healthcare contributions as a % of GDP the U.K. is pretty much in line with the USA.Sounds like you’re a bit defensive. Your true colours are shining through. Confirms everything Ive been saying about you. Your dirty little secret is out!
goose wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 21:01Nutsin wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 20:34Because he needs a win bad after the elections and the economy is on life support, plus there is the cost of immigration that is gonna continue to rise as more and more pile in. They are already raising N I contributions, taxation is through the roof and benefits are getting cut. Desperate times call for desperate measures.No more desperate for a trade deal than Trump is I would say. Who wouldn’t want a mutually beneficial deal with the fastest growing economy in the G20.
The UK economy actually grew more than the US in Q1 although that’s nothing to write home about.
As for taxation, no it hasn’t gone up. It actually went down last year. Employer contributions have gone up.
If you look at taxation + healthcare contributions as a % of GDP the U.K. is pretty much in line with the USA.
Nutsin wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 20:34goose wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 20:22Nutsin wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 19:39No harm in verifying Goose son. I mean it’s not like they haven’t lied before now is it?
After the shocking results of recent elections Starmer needed a win so the timing seems perfect to deflect from the reality of the misery they are causing.
Just curious to know the level of desperation and concessions given up to get it.What makes you think it was desperation?Because he needs a win bad after the elections and the economy is on life support, plus there is the cost of immigration that is gonna continue to rise as more and more pile in. They are already raising N I contributions, taxation is through the roof and benefits are getting cut. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
goose wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 20:22Nutsin wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 19:39No harm in verifying Goose son. I mean it’s not like they haven’t lied before now is it?
After the shocking results of recent elections Starmer needed a win so the timing seems perfect to deflect from the reality of the misery they are causing.
Just curious to know the level of desperation and concessions given up to get it.What makes you think it was desperation?
Nutsin wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 19:39goose wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 19:28Nutsin wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 19:18So I see they are citing “Indian sources” Guess we will have to wait for the details of the agreement to be published to find out the reality. Hopefully this report isn’t more lies.
Personally I prefer the UK and USA to trade with India instead of China, so I like the concept. Although I think most would agree any concessions on N I contributions to any particular group would be unacceptable.It’s widely reported and was confirmed by the trade minister this morning. It’s a fact.
The same terms are offered to people from many other countries. Why should they be paying into a pension when they’re only here temporarily and cannot claim a state pension?No harm in verifying Goose son. I mean it’s not like they haven’t lied before now is it?
After the shocking results of recent elections Starmer needed a win so the timing seems perfect to deflect from the reality of the misery they are causing.
Just curious to know the level of desperation and concessions given up to get it.
goose wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 19:28Nutsin wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 19:18goose wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 19:03https://www.ft.com/content/7f1337ff-5e3 ... c592918323
- Labour Mobility: The agreement includes a provision exempting Indian professionals temporarily seconded to the UK from national insurance contributions for up to three years.
So I see they are citing “Indian sources” Guess we will have to wait for the details of the agreement to be published to find out the reality. Hopefully this report isn’t more lies.
Personally I prefer the UK and USA to trade with India instead of China, so I like the concept. Although I think most would agree any concessions on N I contributions to any particular group would be unacceptable.It’s widely reported and was confirmed by the trade minister this morning. It’s a fact.
The same terms are offered to people from many other countries. Why should they be paying into a pension when they’re only here temporarily and cannot claim a state pension?
Nutsin wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 19:18goose wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 19:03https://www.ft.com/content/7f1337ff-5e3 ... c592918323
- Labour Mobility: The agreement includes a provision exempting Indian professionals temporarily seconded to the UK from national insurance contributions for up to three years.
So I see they are citing “Indian sources” Guess we will have to wait for the details of the agreement to be published to find out the reality. Hopefully this report isn’t more lies.
Personally I prefer the UK and USA to trade with India instead of China, so I like the concept. Although I think most would agree any concessions on N I contributions to any particular group would be unacceptable.
goose wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 19:03https://www.ft.com/content/7f1337ff-5e3 ... c592918323
- Labour Mobility: The agreement includes a provision exempting Indian professionals temporarily seconded to the UK from national insurance contributions for up to three years.
goose wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 19:03https://www.ft.com/content/7f1337ff-5e3 ... c592918323
- Labour Mobility: The agreement includes a provision exempting Indian professionals temporarily seconded to the UK from national insurance contributions for up to three years.
goose wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 18:11Nutsin wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 18:07
m no gooseI’m sure chat gpt can answer your question, but the NI part isn’t really an issue. The U.K. has similar agreements with many other countries.I’ll take that as a yes.
Another question.
If an employee is hired under these new rules does the employer get to dodge their NI responsibility too?No.
like I said already, it’s only available to secondments.
m no gooseNutsin wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 17:32goose wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 17:28The Indian government press release wasn’t the full story. The NI relief is for employees on a secondment to U.K. companies.
The deal itself is a big win for both Brexit and the U.K.
Tariff free trade with what will likely be the globes biggest economy within our lifetime.That wasn’t my question.I’m sure chat gpt can answer your question, but the NI part isn’t really an issue. The U.K. has similar agreements with many other countries.
Nutsin wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 17:32goose wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 17:28The Indian government press release wasn’t the full story. The NI relief is for employees on a secondment to U.K. companies.
The deal itself is a big win for both Brexit and the U.K.
Tariff free trade with what will likely be the globes biggest economy within our lifetime.That wasn’t my question.
goose wrote: ↑07 May 2025, 17:28Nutsin wrote: ↑06 May 2025, 23:13goose wrote: ↑06 May 2025, 17:16 UK and India have signed a trade agreement.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y6y90e5vzo
however, there are mixed reports on the details of this deal.
reported here that Indian workers moving the the UK will get a 3yr exemption from paying NI.
the Indian gov website claims its a 3yr exemption for employee AND employer, which would make Indian people cheaper to employ than UK workers.
"https://pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePa ... ID=2127321
- The exemption for Indian workers who are temporarily in the UK and their employers from paying social security contributions in the UK for a period of three years under the Double Contribution Convention will lead to significant financial gains for the Indian service providers and enhance their competitiveness in the UK market that would create new job opportunities as well as benefit large number of Indians working in the UK."
Didn’t the National Insurance contributions increase to 15% recently?The Indian government press release wasn’t the full story. The NI relief is for employees on a secondment to U.K. companies.
The deal itself is a big win for both Brexit and the U.K.
Tariff free trade with what will likely be the globes biggest economy within our lifetime.
Nutsin wrote: ↑06 May 2025, 23:13goose wrote: ↑06 May 2025, 17:16 UK and India have signed a trade agreement.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y6y90e5vzo
however, there are mixed reports on the details of this deal.
reported here that Indian workers moving the the UK will get a 3yr exemption from paying NI.
the Indian gov website claims its a 3yr exemption for employee AND employer, which would make Indian people cheaper to employ than UK workers.
"https://pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePa ... ID=2127321
- The exemption for Indian workers who are temporarily in the UK and their employers from paying social security contributions in the UK for a period of three years under the Double Contribution Convention will lead to significant financial gains for the Indian service providers and enhance their competitiveness in the UK market that would create new job opportunities as well as benefit large number of Indians working in the UK."
Didn’t the National Insurance contributions increase to 15% recently?
goose wrote: ↑06 May 2025, 17:16 UK and India have signed a trade agreement.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y6y90e5vzo
however, there are mixed reports on the details of this deal.
reported here that Indian workers moving the the UK will get a 3yr exemption from paying NI.
the Indian gov website claims its a 3yr exemption for employee AND employer, which would make Indian people cheaper to employ than UK workers.
"https://pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePa ... ID=2127321
- The exemption for Indian workers who are temporarily in the UK and their employers from paying social security contributions in the UK for a period of three years under the Double Contribution Convention will lead to significant financial gains for the Indian service providers and enhance their competitiveness in the UK market that would create new job opportunities as well as benefit large number of Indians working in the UK."