NFL (since 2016)

[crystal falace]

"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."

[Takashi Miike]

"that clip scorch posted of montana getting wiped out by leonard marshall. always great to see footage of lawrence taylor causing mayhem, for me the best OLB ever. what's also great is hearing for me, the best commentary team ever Summerall & Madden"

[RBshorty]

It's a New York thing. Living under that microscope of a media. Plus not being called The Yankees or being bank rolled as such is always going to be a hindrance. Just look at the shit a Knicks fan has to deal with.

[Far Cough]

"Yeah I loved that era of the Redskins Gibbs as coach, Diesel Riggins as RB and Art Monk catching, then you had that OL the Hogs Great era of NFL football"

[southbankbornnbred]

"Herm Edwards came in and actually did a decent job as HC, despite the fact that nobody - including the Jets - really wanted him. I liked Herm, despite his clock-management problems and mad defensive philosophy. ""You play to win!"""

[southbankbornnbred]

"But, for a good five or six years, that was down to the fact that Belichick screwed us over. He not only resigned when he had taken over from Parcells, as agreed, he also ripped the fuck out of our coaching staff and set-up. So the Jets had to start from scratch, literally, on the coaching side. Parcells had put in place a legacy staff, which included Belichick taking over as HC, and then BB fucked off within 24 hours - it threw NYJ, about to be under new ownership, into a crisis off the field because there was absolutely no continuity (and, as history has proved, the 'new' owners are clueless money men). Basically, the Jets were a 'new' franchise from 2000 onwards - in every way except for their long-suffering fans."

[RBshorty]

It also helped the Pats the other teams in their division had been utter abject for the better part of 2 decades.Only getting their act together in last few seasons.

[southbankbornnbred]

"Easily THE most galling thing about Napkin-gate was that we received a first-round pick from the Patsies in compensation for the betrayal and shuffled our draft to take Chad Pennington as QB in the first round. All along, Belichick has long-scouted Brady, makes five picks for the Patsies, then takes one of the greatest players of all time in round six - knowing he wanted him on the squad to develop him behind Bledsoe. Could have done the same behind Testaverde. Belichick should have been a Jet (for more than 24 hours). Brady should have been a Jet. Fuckers! Still gives me nightmares!"

[southbankbornnbred]

"Yep, Gibbs was superb, granted. Proper coach. Don't get me wrong - I want to dislike BB more than any other human being involved in the NFL, after he fucked us over big time. But he has been incredible, really, the sour-faced feck. Brady was a huge part of that, but don't forget his teams also did well on the rare occasions that Brady was injured. They went 11-5 with Matt Cassel behind centre, when the injured Brady was a huge chunk of their budget. Then he picks up Mac Jones and goes 10-7 with a rookie QB. Belichick's teams are just incredibly well drilled/prepared, he drafts solidly every year, has a knack for spotting 'moneyball' type talent to bring in (when there have often been bigger name alternatives) and picks up good coaches. He's certainly worked the salary-cap era better than anybody. But he's a joyless c**t who betrayed us and will never be forgiven!"

[Takashi Miike]

"""To do what BB has done with a salary cap has been extraordinary. The napkin-writing, opposition-filming, ball-deflating fucker!"" I think what Gibbs did winning three SBs with journeymen QBs is as big an achievement as that miserable fucker. Most coaches would have had success with Brady, he was that good"

[El Scorchio]

"Well, say no more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8uVZVbexJo"

[southbankbornnbred]

"For that reason, and I say this through gritted teeth, probably the best NFL 'dynasty' of the modern era has been the Belichick/Brady Patsies. To do what BB has done with a salary cap has been extraordinary. The napkin-writing, opposition-filming, ball-deflating fucker! He needs to stand aside now, though."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Easier to create a 'dynasty' when you were one of the two richest sides in a league with no salary cap, though. It's a bit like Man City now. Need a back-up for an ageing and slightly injury prone Montana? Just go and sign the bloke who had already secured a $40m contract elsewhere! Need a quality cornerback? Just sign the all-time legend and NFL pro-bowler Deion Sanders from Atlanta and don't disclose his whopping signing-on fee! When we were younger, we barely paid attention to the finances, but the 49ers and Dallas went around doing what Man City and Chelsea have been doing for years. This reached its zenith when Dallas offered Deion (who was incredible) an even bigger bonus to sign for them after he'd been at the 49ers for one season. That was like Man City showing Chelsea who was 'financial boss'. But no other franchises could compete. Funny enough, the Jets were not in the market for Deion!"

[RBshorty]

Really enjoy listening to Young talk. Comes across as a good egg. Thank christ he managed to get out of Tampa. That 49ers team are the dynasty all other are judged against. Ruthless. Fearsome. With a touch of panache.

[Grumpster]

"Loved Young and not many QB's back then had the legs like he did, but still have Montana edging him. Mob nowadays are nowhere near the class of QB's back then and that's even with them being so protected. Those poor fuckers back in the day virtually had people doing flying helmets dives at them!!! üòÇ Both lucky having Rice, but sometimes a receiver is only as good as his service and they knew exactly where he wanted it. Doubt his 208 TD's will ever even be gotten close to and that's with them playing more games nowadays."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Incredible era for QBs, though. Elway, Montana, Young, Marino, Moon, Kelly, Aikman, Cunningham, Simms...the list goes on. Even the Jets picked up a talented passer - Ken O'Brien. He was probably the best we've had since Broadway Joe. And he was trumped by every name above. Back to today, was watching Parsons' on film. Jesus: that guy is a fucking beast. Relentless, and reads plays better than other LBs."

[RBshorty]

Would never take anything away from Montana. But it makes your life easier throwing the ball in the direction of Jerry Rice every weekend.! Both are stonewall hall of famers. It's apples and oranges conversation.

[southbankbornnbred]

"Montana was incredible in the pocket - he made time for himself with minimal-but-effective movement, similar to Brees, especially with that smooth release. He was top-class and a true great, no question. But, personally, I preferred Young's style. He could scramble really well, too, and I just prefer that gunslinger-style all-action approach - perfected, of course, by the greatest QB ever to play the game: Elway. Put Elway into that 49ers side and they win even more superbowls than they did with two superb QBs like Montana and Young. Put Elway in Jimmy Johnson's Dallas side and forget about opponents. But until the late 90s, Denver couldn't put as much talent around their QB through lack of $$$."

[El Scorchio]

"Bill Walsh wanted Phil Simms over Montana, but Simms was gone by the time they picked. Sliding doors moment."

[Lee Trundle]

A few people would say Young was the better of the two. The numbers would back them up. I don't think I could judge as I wasn't even a teenager when Montana played for us. Both were outstanding. Montana is still well liked in Kansas for the 2 seasons he played for them getting them to the play offs both seasons for the first time in decades.

[Far Cough]

"sbb, and of course they had king Billy as coach"

[southbankbornnbred]

"Yeah, nifty little 'back-up', Young, wasn't he?! Those days, before the salary cap, were mad and just remind me of Premier League football now - when you look at the benches of the wealthiest sides and see a row of £80m players sitting there. For the uninitiated (not many on here), Young was a Heisman runner-up who went off to play in the USFL - a short-lived rival to the NFL - and signed a record $40m deal for a team in Los Angeles. It made him a higher-paid player than most NFL stars. But he quit to join the NFL, joining struggling Tampa before the 49ers picked him up, still expensively, as Montana's back-up. This was back in the days when you could sit two big-salaried QBs on your roster if you had enough money. And the 49ers, with the Cowboys, seemed to have pretty much all the money! They were golden days for the NFL, but the mad finances (centred on just a few very wealthy sides) do seem archaic nowadays. The comparisons with the Premier League are all too easy. Young was a damn good QB, though. He would have walked into most starting line-ups even when Montana was in his pomp."

[Takashi Miike]

"""Montana's back up"" Steve Young - Pro & College Football Hall of Fame, 7 Pro Bowls, 2 x League Mvp, 1 x Superbowl Mvp, 3 Superbowls"

[Far Cough]

"Trunds, who was that then, Steve something? Oh and if the Vikings are top of the NFC North then the famous ""Black and Blue division"" must be a bit shit"

[Lee Trundle]

I'd kill for a Montana now. I'd even take Montana's back up at the time over what we currently have. ;-)

[southbankbornnbred]

"And if it is the late 80s again, can we have Al Toon back? Ta!"