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"Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham Hotspur all agree to plan. Five English clubs are among 11 European teams who have signed up to a breakaway Super League in an extraordinary development on the eve of Uefa's announcement of a new Champions League format. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/18/sports/soccer/super-league-united-liverpool-juventus-madrid.html"

Takeshi miike. I noticed that too. The sullivam woe is me debt bollocks and Especially that disgusting claretandhugh piece. The guy is an utter cսnt

I hope it goes forward and get rid on the plastic big six Chelsea were never one of them. They can disappear up there own arseholes playing the same teams every season and players even more mercenary changing clubs for bigger money. Messi could afford to play for free for Barca so fuck his tears

Too big to fail guys.!

"unbelievable isn't it. I've noticed a resumption of club propaganda in the last couple of days since the PAI clowns retreated. C&H on the attack against hammers united, and then Sullivan talking about the new levels of debt, but how 'united' everyone is behind the scenes. it was clearly too much trouble, to expect the little cսnt to keep his trap shut for a while season. no doubt the jock on talksport will be activated tomorrow if he's back on air"

"Takashi Miike 1:17 Tue Sep 28 They were originally fined a few million each by UEFA, but those fines have now been withdrawn now that they've bottled it."

Brown paper bags for UEFA officials?

did the scum six ever get punished?

"""UEFA abandons ESL disciplinary action against Barcelona, Real, and Juventus"" Fucking bottlers."

"Mike Oxsaw 12:14 Mon Aug 2, No idea where all this is going. I just said what has been happening in the European courts. My opinion is: 1) Minimum 51% of all football clubs should be owned by the clubs membership. 2) All football on TV should be free to the public, financed by advertising. 3) Ticket prices should be capped by law for all games, whatever competition."

"Sorry you didn't get your very own Alan Partridge ""Aha!"" moment out of this, Nagel. Better luck next time."

"Oh, for fuck's sake. Okay, you've bored me into submission. You're not a tedious, pretentious twat who habitually comes out with utter drivel and what you said wasn't idiotic. Not at all."

"Nagel 1:36 Mon Aug 2 I'm saying nothing of the sort. I gave no timeline for when the purchase of dominance by the Spanish clubs in question started, but I do accept that they were dominant from very early on. Certainly before football became popular on TV. How could that be in such an impoverished dictatorship? Again, it wasn't THE English clubs attempting to buy dominance; the two that did only did so well after the Premier League was formed, which, as I'm sure you are well aware, was NOT the starting point for top class football. The use of money over talent to gain advantage pre-dates the EPL, so don't try and conflate the two."

"Where have I spun anything? All my comments were in response to this statement from you: ""Some Spanish and Italian clubs bought their way onto the top table on the never-never. They tried to compete with the best of likes of England and Germany when their true peer group is Holland, Belgium, France and even Scotland."" As you now seem to be saying yourself, the Spanish clubs were already dominant, and it was the English clubs who tried to buy their way to the top table."

"Nagel 1:04 Mon Aug 2 Nice try at spin. I suggest you go mack and revise Media Studies 101 yet again. The two English clubs mentioned tried to match the 3 existing dominant English clubs. Those were all run efficiently and self-sustaining. That meant the best players wanted to be a part of that set up and many would have probably played for nothing at the time, given the chance. The 2 upstarts saw buying the best players as the way forward and thus kicked of player/price inflation as we know it today. Chelsea & Man City could afford to do this - everybody else had to borrow like crazy just to keep up. Failure to do so would result in a 2-tier EPL. The two dominant Spanish clubs had everything stacked in their favour to the detriment of the rest of the league, and probably to the detriment of grass-roots football in Spain. What they didn't/couldn't buy on credit to sustain any semblance of continuous success, they were gifted."

"Also, the English have also had our fair share of normal clubs at the top in the late 70's / 80s. (Forest, Villa and if it wasnt for rioting liverpool fans, Everton). It's a cycle. But the current big clubs want to remove that cycle."

"Real Madrid was general Franco's club. You have to put it in context. Even in 2000's when they should have gone bankrupt the Madrid city bailed them out (I think it bought the ground or something). I think there is a difference between absolute quality and competitiveness. The PL is competitive and therefore interesting but I wouldnt have said until recently they produced better teams than the spanish top 10. But the reality it's our competitiveness that keeps it interesting and a better selling product abroad. Spain have given up on their competitiveness and only allowed a top 2 to succeed. Its literally a miracle of Simeone's management that he's in that mix. I dont think its anything to do with how the league is set up financially. Anyway, that's neither here nor there. Clubs should be self sustaining and there is no reason for them to be in so much debt. Thats just mismanagement and greed. And they shouldn't be able to warp the competition for everyone else just so they can survive. (Barca and Braithwate for example)."

"So, you admit now that Barca and Madrid were always at the top and it was in fact the English clubs who tried to buy their way to the top table? The complete reverse of what you were saying before."

"So, you admit now that Barca and Madrid were always at the top and it was in fact the English clubs who tried to buy their way to the top table? The complete reverse of what you were saying before."

"The top 2 in the Spanish league is pretty much a given every season and has been since the days of 405-line, black & white TV. Places outside the top 2 are the ones where a true competition decides qualification. Chelsea and Manchester City bought their way to success against the then existing big EPL clubs - Liverpool, Arsenal, Manchester United. Arsenal are currently showing what happens when you stop spending."

"So, how come more Spanish teams have competed in the CL than English? And Italian teams the same as English? You think there's only 2 decent teams in Spain, so how come Villareal, Valencia, Atletico Madrid, and Sevilla have all won the Europa League in recent years? In any case, you're talking about something different now. Before you were saying that these clubs had to pay loads of money to compete with English clubs, when in reality it was the English clubs like Chelsea and Man City who had to pay their way to compete with the Spanish and Italian clubs who have dominated European football since those competitions began."

Nagel. How many different clubs have there been?

Nagel 12:22 Mon Aug 2 The number of clubs per nation is a pretty pointless statistic without also including the names of those clubs. One club could be a finalist on multiple occasions yet that tells you nothing about the structure of the national league in which they play.

"Mike Oxsaw, Look at the history of European cup/CL finalists since the 50s: Spain: 29 Italy: 28 England: 24 Germany: 18 The nations who you laughably think are Spain & Italy's peers have less than 10 each. As for there being only a few clubs any good in those leagues then why has Spain had more different teams qualifying for the CL (13) than England (10), and why have Spanish teams won 10 of the last 16 Europa League finals?"

Thread? Moron

"Mex Martillo 12:07 Mon Aug 2 So we end up with 3 or 4 competitions, each legally claiming that the winners of their competition are ""Champions of Europe"". Can we go all BOGOF on this and have 3 World Cups, too? Competition in football is supposed to be on the pitch, not the profit & loss sheet."