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"For me, Rice is part of the problem this season. He comes across as far too immature to lead a struggling team on the pitch and doesn't have natural leadership qualities. His body language is way off, it comes across as he doesn't want to be at the club any longer (which is no doubt true) and his form is seriously in decline. He was very lucky not to give away a penalty yesterday with his casual dawdling on the ball in his team's own penalty area. Basic schoolboy level mistakes that a professional international footballer should not be making. I think Roy Keane was correct in his assessment of Rice the other week when he says he doesn't do enough to justify the hype. The more the season goes on, the more it looks like it was a mistake by the club to let Rice run down his contract and contribute to a toxic environment this season. In hindsight, we should have sold him last summer when he still had a premium value."

"stewie griffin - excellent post, thanks for sharing. Can anyone forward it to Mr Sullivan?"

"stewie griffin 10:37 Mon Mar 13 Ive always thought Moyes would take us down after reading that post I know he will. Totally believable as well about the group of players ,we are just a nice side who can be easily bullied we have no leaders whatsoever. Fuck me we are in almighty trouble if Moyes stays"

Sounds like the Homer Simpson cսnt is stinking out the dressing room

"Stewie Griffin. Great post and insight, thanks. I'd say get the Moyes stories out now. Be more entertaining to read than watching the way he sets the team up!"

Griff great post. Thanks for taking the time. Good read that. I also have an very reliable source that has indicated that there won’t be a bidding war for him from multiple places next summer as some of the linked clubs just don’t rate him anywhere near £100m. They see him more as a £60m player. Possibly Chelsea would pay it but not showing any real desire to sign him. The only real love as reported by the press is coming from Arteta and Arsenal. Which I was surprised at when I heard as I thought that was more paper talk. Be interesting what a relegation might do to his valuation.

I'm putting money on it being cardboard cutout...

Thanks Griffin. Noble says in his autobiography that he wanted Moyes back though. Shows how much he knows.

Thanks for sharing Griff. We’re proper fucked No mistake. I’d love to know who our own Lionel Messi is…….

stewie griffin 10:37 Mon Mar 13 Re: The Rice situation Absolutely spot on. From what I know and heard. DR is a top young lad and nobody has a bad word to say about him. He’s just from a different generation of skippers. And by the way. I absolutely think the lad is top class and will go to one of the best teams in the world.

"ROFL Good work Cough. I understand he even referenced it in that interview he did recently about leadership or something. I haven't seen it because I can't stand the sight of him anymore. Hate him more than Roeder, grant and Allardyce put together. Fuck knows what I'm going to do if he wins a trophy."

stewie griffin 10:37 *Applause* Thank you! Sounds like the culture is non existent.

Sir Alex Ferguson Jock Stein Bill Shankly and erm David Fucking Moyes? Excuse me while I have a quiet snigger to myself

Cheers Griff. Great read.

"On re-reading, there's a lot of stuff being said about Rice here that isn't true, or fair, so fuck it, will go with what i know and expect the usual suspects to behave the way they do - its not like its going to have a damaging effect at this point. He does care. He has never stopped caring. He was also clear that as long as we were competitive he would stay, and that he would leave if we weren't for the good of his career. He has been true to his word. So that's another thing we can thank Moyes for. On the captaincy, I think people think that its still like it was, a bit of a token gesture, and not really all that meaningful in football, as it is in other sports. Club captaincy matters, because there's an awful lot of shit that goes with it. Rice is a good lad, who has - unfortunately - fundamentally missed the point of CLUB captaincy. The dressing room has fallen off a cliff since last summer, completely unrecognisable from what it was. Yes, he is welcoming to new arrivals. He's generally good around the place. But precisely none of the new players have integrated. None of them know each other. To use current members of staff as an example, Nolan was called his 'dressing room manager' by Allardyce. The players, particularly the english players, met Nolan for a few beers every week. Noble took the best bits of Nolan, the best bits of Lucas Neill and did all of it. You don't just welcome players, you make sure they're fully integrated. Take Yarmolenko as an example. Awful, awful trainer. Ridiculously high wages. Didn't give a shit. But sufficiently part of the group, and sufficiently engaged, to make meaningful contributions in the second half of last season. We have a 'nice' group of lads, pretty quiet, keep themselves to themselves. They don't know each other. It should be all everyone needs to know that Ogbonna, who has barely said a word on or off the pitch in his time here, was at the heart of the team meetings. When we lost against Spurs, there was no debrief, no discussion, everyone just got on the bus, went home, and went their separate ways. Before away games when they're staying in hotels, there's no one going to each other's rooms, knocking on doors and encouraging someone who might be out of form. Then you've got the odd one, who think they can take advantage of the situation - no Noble, a bunch of quiet people in the dressing room - so you have - quote - 'that cսnt who had ten good games once and thinks he's fucking Lionel Messi' being charlie big potatoes. Wouldn't have happened last year. By extension of all that, you have Moyes, the ultimate mood hoover. His matchday tactics are the least negative, most positive thing about him. He's drained all life and confidence out of everyone and everything. He's never been any different, but last year, he would leave the room, and you'd have Noble who could make a joke of it, break the atmosphere, and get everyone laughing and pulling together. Now, silence. (should point out that Cresswell's diminished influence because of his form also doesn't help) Could be here all day with stories about Moyes - and will do one day when he's gone or we've stayed up - but he wears it as a badge of honour that he's out of date, that he's the last of the great Scottish managers - like Ferguson, Stein & co. He misses the point that (a) he hasn't fucking won anything and (b) you can't treat footballers that way anymore. Telling them they're shit constantly doesn't work. It's more likely to break them. And in the absence of someone who is doing the captaincy role in the way it was done previously, it has. So yes, Rice hasn't covered himself in glory as captain, but at the age of 24 its hardly surprising, its why so few clubs give the club captaincy to someone that young these days. There's just a lot of other shit that goes with it. In short, if Moyes goes, we improve as a team overnight. It really is that simple. Has been for months. This isn't a group of players that can function on being told how shit they are constantly. They're not the type to go 'fuck you, you ginger scottish loser cսnt, I'll prove you wrong', they're the type to go into their shells. The scary thing is that its still eminently possible that we could win a trophy and stay up with him here, and people will think he's a good manager and done a good job. The only hope is that they think he's good enough that they come and take him."

"I think a Rice is a very good footballer with a voice in a group of leaders. Being the leader of the leaders though, yeah I can't say he strikes me as that type of person. You might not be the best player on the pitch but you have to have the bollocks to reign people in, call people out on their behaviour etc. Rice has pretty much flirted with the top 4 of the league saying he wants to win this that etc and a come and get me notice. So having your club captain engineering a move doesn't bide well when your on a bad run, and I think he isn't the one to rudder the ship. Who is in that squad to be fair."

"He’s our best player by a mile and we all knew he would move on. I still think he cares about the club and looks just as fucked off as the rest of us at Moyes and his approach to football. Not sure many could hide that. Same root cause as our table position, style of play, man management of players etc. Moyes"

"The guys just 24, how mature were you lot at 24? Knowing you're about to get paid £200k plus a week must be a distraction at times, a very nice one admittedly but it must affect his game at times. Also every player loses form once in a while, maybe this is his form dip? Lastly any one who does not think he's our best player by a long way, watch the game away to the barcodes, he was simple immense that day, just played at another level. Like most i thought he was below his best yesterday but its one game, get off the mans back ffs"

"The guys just 24, how mature were you lot at 24? Knowing you're about to get paid £200k plus a week must be a distraction at times, a very nice one admittedly but it must affect his game at times. Also every player loses form once in a while, maybe this is his form dip? Lastly any one who does not think he's our best player by a long way, watch the game away to the barcodes, he was simple immense that day, just played at another level. Like most i thought he was below his best yesterday but its one game, get off the mans back ffs"

"It's all very well people saying now it was a mistake to not sell Rice in the summer, but you would all have been up in arms if it had happened at the time about being a selling club, amd rightly so."

Antonio ?

I did wonder who they or he might be but I have a pretty good idea.

"Let's be clear, there's only one big character left, and yes, he's a cսnt"

"collyrob 8:03 Could it be said that some of the ‚Äòbigger characters‚Äô are playing the cսnt and not helping the situation at the club. I feel for Rice. Even though he‚Äôs destined for bigger things and could have checked out that he still really cares, wants to try his best and really wants things to go well"

The STARCH reality is that RICE has CURRIED FLAVOUR because he is respected for what he does on the FIELD. Let's not sow SEEDS of his departure further with WILD rumours - or he'll be INFLORESCENCE with rage.

"Sir Trev- lazy, luxury midfielder who doesn’t get stuck in Dev- fancy Dan injury prone winger with no end product Stretch- immobile donkey with no skill Probably."