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"Sack the fecking lot of them, just heard one say she wants to go to Australia when fully trained,"

"That was just one example of the mismanagement of the NHS, Debs. Giving people ridiculously high paid jobs for providing zero of actual worth. Anyone who knows someone on the inside knows what's going on, it's a fucking shambles from top to bottom."

Debs I don't think you'll find many putting the non-dancing front line staff down here. Not sure why you're going down that route.

Eerie thanks for that valuable contribution from a bloke who thinks hiring a diversity officer for 100k is why the NHS is struggling. Mike that will.only be managers and you have to ask.who.is appointing so.many and why? When it comes to frontline staff the government are trying to.entuce many of them.out if retirement which kind of turns your jobs for life argument in.its head

"""Quite right the NHS shouldn't be turning a profit."" Equally, it shouldn't be run as a job-for-life meal ticket by and for certain groups of people."

"You are utterly clueless, Debs."

Quite right the NHS shouldn't be turning a profit. In whose interests is it being poorly managed? Who runs hospitals? Trusts ..and who runs trusts and employs those managers?

"""Lee the NHS is losing so.much through back door privatisation. Companies sucking out profits "" Complete and utter crap, as someone whose partner has worked as a nurse for years, lives by a hospital and trains a number of people who work there. The issue is poor management by people who are happy to spend other peoples money, knowing the don't need to turn a profit. I lose count of the ridiculous vanity projects and money wasted.All across the board."

I was thinking of the poor little employees of the NHS. Those views don't create themselves.

* 40 Yes Lee that'd really help.all.the old fol.waiting for hip.replacements.

"When the NHS weigh out around £100k a year for roles like Diversity Director, coupled with the fact they have nearly a million new patients every year, is it any fucking wonder it can't cope? It's shocking mismanaged, which is the main problem, and it now has far too many people to treat. The end"

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They'd be better off investing in 49 Tiktok dance studios from what I see from the NHS.

Mike imus take frigging loads given how long ago.we were promised 49 new hospitals and as yet dont have one.

"OK, let's just take a single example within the NHS. How long does it take to plan, build, equip and staff a new hospital, and what criteria should they use to guide them?"

"Mike you talk.like you know shit but really don't. Private companies pretty much run NHS Trusts now. Only the very naive think.that they are going to give a flying shit about ethics, and honouring contracts especially if they can.line up lucrative jobs for themselves on the boards ofbtbese companies further down the line."

"Goose the people that heralded it the NHS in then are the ones most dependant on it now. Yes of course there have been changes but one if those as you rightly identify is people are living longer. Maybe Boris could have wiped out a few more if the oldies had he been allowed to stick.around longer eh? Mike seems to think the elderly. are shoved to the back of the queue, they are not. A massive problem though is that many don't need to be in hospital but hospitals cannot discharge them.becauae the social care system.is in such a mess."

Darlo Debs 12:05 Mon Jan 8 The NHS needs to get shot of all it's own money-sucking middlemen before even thinking about telling private companies how to structure their service delivery and still generate a profit; if these companies can deliver the same services for 25% less then it would be criminal for the NHS to not use them. It's up to the NHS to ensure such companies comply with NHS medical and staffing ethics prior to awarding such contracts.

Darlo Debs 12:05 Mon Jan 8 The NHS needs to get shot of all it's own money-sucking middlemen before even thinking about telling private companies how to structure their service delivery and still generate a profit; if these companies can deliver the same services for 25% less then it would be criminal for the NHS to not use them. It's up to the NHS to ensure such companies comply with NHS medical and staffing ethics prior to awarding such contracts.

You're a bit of an idiot if you think GETTING OUT THE TORIES will fix it Debs. It's completely fucked. And it was that way throughout Labours reign as well. There's far too many people high up that are earning far to much that won't want that gravy train to end.

Debs - it was set up in the 40s. You not think things have changed a bit since then?

Why aren't they diverting all that money off the side of the Brexit bus to the nh........ oh hang on I see what they did there.

Indirectly Lee Those loans weren't for NHS expansion Mike they were to.try to fix the mess left by Thatchers lot. Lee the NHS is losing so.much through back door privatisation. Companies sucking out profits that should be spent on care and NHS having to pay middle men for services they provided at much better value for money. The company I work for gets its funding from the NHS. It made a huge profit last year but the 5 grown adults living in the house get about 100 quid in the food budget and often not enough to stretch to.the staff who they are contractually obliged to.provide food for.

Sorry was meant to.say at the time it was set up.

"Darlo Debs 11:29 Mon Jan 8 ""Lee that's is not true. It's only ever mismanaged by Tories"" That funny. The biggest issue I had with the NHS was right slap bang in the middle when Labour were in office. It was then, when I had to deal with them, that I realised how mismanaged they were. You work for the NHS, don't you?"

Darlo Debs 11:42 Mon Jan 8 So those not or no longer working go straight to the back of the queue with no chance of ever passing Go!?