‚ö? Bristol City v West Ham - Official Match Thread

[charleyfarley]

"V Ashton Gate Stadium 16th Jan 19:45 GMT NO VAR Darren England: (3) - 19 0 O‚ÄôLeary, Tanner, Vyner, Dickie, McCrorie, Williams, James ¬©, Pring, Gardner-Hickman, Mehmeti, Conway Subs: Bajic (GK), Knight-Lebel, Roberts, Knight, Nelson, Cornick, King, Bell, Wells Fabia?Ñski, Coufal, Mavropanos, Zouma ¬©, Cresswell, Emerson, Souƒçek, Ward-Prowse, Benrahma, Cornet, Ings Subs: Areola (GK), Anang (GK), Johnson, Ogbonna, Casey, Mubama, Marshall, Scarles Bristol City 16/5: Draw 13/5: West Ham 17/20"

[Eerie Descent]

*pelters

[fraser]

"He did nothing, a complete passenger as always.."

[Eerie Descent]

"There really is some shit being posted on here. This is all down to the manager. Our back up players are coming in cold, they've been poorly managed. Benrahma was runner up HOTY last season, he hasn't turned into a useless cսnt overnight. Cornet scored 9 goals in 27 PL games in a shit Burnley team before he signed for us, played for Lyon in the CL. W Regardless of who plays, we play shit as a team in most games, most of the time. Kudus got absolute belters on here over his first handful of games, Bowen was shocking last season. Record breaker Haller looked shit for us, as did Italian international Scamacca. It's not the fucking players, you thick cunts. Cornet might be shit, but you can't judge him on one start and a few minutes here and there. That's what many on here done with Kudus, until he got a run of games. We play the worst 'football' in the league, and by the looks of it, in the Championship as well. Under another manager, that team last night would win the Championship with over 100 points."

[HammerFan43]

fraser I didn't think he played that good or that bad. Average but certainly better than the other 5 I mentioned. :)

[fraser]

43 - So I take it you think Soucek was one of those carrying the others?

[HammerFan43]

"Bristol City were by far the better team and played the game of football like it should be played - with commitment and a real passion to win the game. This despite the big difference between the respective values of the two teams. Makes me wonder if there's a culture of elistism or sense of entitlement within our players and that despite their pre-game words, they fully expected to win this game? Expectations were set too high maybe? When we had the ball they chased our players down giving them very little time to think what to do next. This I believe led to multiple misplaced passes (sort of panic), losing multiple challenges and we didn't win too many of the aerial challenges neither. Last night 6 players carried the other 5. Those 5 need to be moved on as soon as possible. - Ings is well past his sell-by date. - Coufal. I like him but he's too slow. - Cresswell has served the club well, but it's time for him to go. - Benrahma simply has to go. Tries to be too clever taking on opponents twisting and turning rather than take the 1st opportunity to cross the ball into the area. Quite often he tries to take the glory going for goal when he should have passed the ball. - Cornet. I expected a lot from him but all the evidence now points to the fact he not a very good player.Too many times he loses challenges and mis-place passes. All basic stuff really. I also have serious doubts about Mubama and that he will ever be a first team player, however I see potential in Marshall. Problem is, does the club have the funds to replace these misfits?"

[David L]

Claret and Booze was a good watch last night as you can imagine.

[SnarestoneIron]

"simon.s 9:41 Wed Jan 17 I presume that S is for Simple? Whatever you say, Sullivan has spent decent money the past few seasons, and we're gradually getting better players. It's all we can, with the restrictions that FFP brings."

[zico]

"BillyJenningsBoots 12:56 Wed Jan 17 Said that last night. Didn't really notice it until the goal was shown again later but exactly that, didn't move a muscle until he realised Fab missed it then jogged to try and recover. Silly thing is he still nearly got there so a bit of anticipation and effort and at the very least he may have put it for a corner. Too many were just jogging about. Agree with NS below about Cornet. If the manager isn't picking you and you actually want to play then you bust a gut, run around a bit, close people down. If you come of knackered after 60 minutes at lease you have put some effort in, but he didn't show that desire and urgency. At least young Callum Marshall had a go in the 10 minutes he was on and IMO should be ahead of Mubama now."

[ATHammer]

"My player ratings: Fabianski-7 couple of saves did OK Coufal-0 ripped a new one by average championship player Mavropanos -0 Made a mistake and turned to jelly Zouma - 3 OK as a player but not a leader Cresswell - 1 Not the worst on the pitch but competition stiff in that respect Emerson -7 One of the few that looked like they gave a shit. Ward-Prowse - N/A Played out of position to accommodate Soucek. Not a defensive midfield player Soucek -0 another fart in a spacesuit performance. The smell just won't go away. Cornet N/A played out of position and looked totally disinterested and gash. Moved to the left and actually beat his man and provided a good cross. Ings - N/A needs to be put out of my misery. Never was, is or will be a Moyesball player. Benrahma - berk Moyes - set up, and out, to fail. So mission accomplished. Another cup insult to the travelling fans."

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Mavropanos was not wholly to blame for the goal if you watch Zouma he lets the City player go expecting Fabianski to get there and only when its clear he isn't he jogs back to cover.... If he'd gone with the player in the first place he could have cut out the shot - his legs are gone and it was just lazy.... No way is he a Captain.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Mavropanos was not wholly to blame for the goal if you watch Zouma he lets the City player go expecting Fabianski to get there and only when its clear he isn't he jogs back to cover.... If he'd gone with the player in the first place he could have cut out the shot - his legs are gone and it was just lazy.... No way is he a Captain.

[Northern Sold]

People still beating their war drums over Cornet?? Because what I saw last night was as gutless performance I have seen in a WHU shirt since Sinclair threw in the towel at Old Trafford (0-6) in the cup... absolute stinking could not be arsed... jogging around... couldn't be fucked attitude... he had the perfect chance last night to ram his non inclusion down the managers throat and puts in a performance like that... I can forgive shit like the Bubble did... he leaves it out there and looks like he cares... Cornet?? I'd drum him out...

[zico]

"Last night was a combination of poor management by Moyes and the standard of players we had on the pitch although they are still PL players so should still win games like that. City put a foot in because there was no VAR but we didn't do the same, apart from Benny who got it all wrong. That said Ings, Soucek, Cresswell and Zouma just don't have the legs to get there and put their foot in. Not knocking Cresswell though as he has, unlike the others actually been a long term servant, clearly wanted to leave in the summer and his legs have just gone. Moyes pre match interview had me worried from the start. It was extremely defeatist so no wonder players felt the same if that was a reflection of his team talk. His obsession with the same team shape as well is bizarre considering personnel changes game to game. I was critical of Cornet last night but as the game went on it was clear he isn't an inside forward but a winger, best used on the left, running to the line and getting crosses in. That may have been more effective than Benny's Strictly Come Dancing stepovers which he takes so long over the chance to put it into the box goes. We aren't like a Man City where you are going to have 100 million pound players sitting on the bench but last night as others have said showed how wafer thin the squad is. That said how demeaning must it be for some of the youth players to see two goalkeepers on the bench. Why not take another raw defender or midfielder just to get the feel of the first team rather than someone who won't play unless two keepers get injured?! If we want to move forward the only players who should be first teamers are possibly Areola, Emerson, Kudus, Paqueta, Alvarez, Bowen and possibly JWP if you get a good player in the middle with him. That's a lot of rebuilding!"

[GBHammer63]

The players only leeway for that performance is they were doing what Moyes has trained them to do. I’ve said countless times that the best signing we could do is then signature on his P45.

[,]

"Last night’s defeat was inevitable the mistake being not to have put City away at home a week ago. We turned up last night with a centre back partnership comprising a raspberry and an error prone partner, a midfield without a driving force and the bluntest, under prepared looking, attack seen for many a day."

[Sir Alf]

"Agree Canvey. Mavrapanos didn’t have a shocking performance imo but was one of 3 players who performed ( Emerson, Fab the other 2 ). But a defender like a goalkeeper makes a mistake then everything else is forgotten or ignored. The Greek fella has to work on his concentration and decision making because there is a useful player there. I would add or suggest that Fabianski’s immobility and age / slow on his feet was a contributory factor as a slightly quicker keeper would probably have got there just in time although risk a pen of course. But that’s the decision making or thinking part that Mavrapanos needs to work on. Don’t think it helped him being in an unfamiliar system of back 3 but early on especially and being aware of Fabs age, don’t take the risk. He’s had 3 situations now leading to a goal although his own goal from a header was something a lot of defenders experience. But tge point remains, work on your concentration and thinking etc That is part of what the coaching team should do. Even when I played back in the Victorian age, albeit only intermediate level, manager would say about being careful with back passes and awareness etc Anyway. last night proved Moyes operated with half a squad. 13 or 14 players of 25. Wasted money on 10 or 11 really"

[Sir Alf]

"Agree Canvey. Mavrapanos didn’t have a shocking performance imo but was one of 3 players who performed ( Emerson, Fab the other 2 ). But a defender like a goalkeeper makes a mistake then everything else is forgotten or ignored. The Greek fella has to work on his concentration and decision making because there is a useful player there. I would add or suggest that Fabianski’s immobility and age / slow on his feet was a contributory factor as a slightly quicker keeper would probably have got there just in time although risk a pen of course. But that’s the decision making or thinking part that Mavrapanos needs to work on. Don’t think it helped him being in an unfamiliar system of back 3 but early on especially and being aware of Fabs age, don’t take the risk. He’s had 3 situations now leading to a goal although his own goal from a header was something a lot of defenders experience. But tge point remains, work on your concentration and thinking etc That is part of what the coaching team should do. Even when I played back in the Victorian age, albeit only intermediate level, manager would say about being careful with back passes and awareness etc Anyway. last night proved Moyes operated with half a squad. 13 or 14 players of 25. Wasted money on 10 or 11 really"

[Gary Strodders shank]

So the playera and management get another nice break after Sunday's game until Bournemouth on the 1st February. A chance to recharge the batteries and a bit of warm weather training in sunnier climbs maybe. Last nights performance was an insult to those that attended but as far as Moyes and co are concerned it's all about preparing for the league fixtures and having the players fit and ready for pushing on in the Europa. European qualification will ultimately keep Moyes in a job and the domestic cups are just a distraction as far as they are concerned. It is obvious the squad as it stands is just not good enough so all a case of keeping the first eleven fit and capable to perform when it really matters.

[dealcanvey]

"Think the only players on the pitch that showed some willingness and intensity was Emerson who played well and Mavrapanos who had a shocker. Cornet, Benrahma and Ings really all need moving on and players that actually want to be here need to come in. Think if VAR was in play Bristol would have had a couple of players sent off. We however looked like we did not want to be there. Serves them right for not putting them to bed in the home leg. This weekend going to be interesting without key players!"

[fraser]

Matthew Holmes wrote... Re: ‚ö? Bristol City v West Ham - Official Match Thread - Preview 2nd string fluffed their lines. Couldn't be arsed. Bigshot I'm a premier league player attitude and got found wanting. We know who we can let go Definitely the one responsible for the state of them David Cunting Moyes

[southbankbornnbred]

"But 'awful' performances are what really matter at the end of the day. You can have a whole squad of fully match-fit, committed tackling machines - but if they put in what, by your own words, are 'awful' performances...then the team is fucked. I take the broad point you're trying to make. But you can't just cast aside 'awful' performance as though that's a mere irrelevance. Cornet, Ings, Benrahma and others last night were plain awful. As they have been too often. Benrahma is frustrating - I thought he'd made progress last season and, this year, he's back to being entirely ineffective too often."

[Come On You Irons]

Our back up players have always been poor and the squad has always been wafer thin under Sullivan. These persistent issues with the squad depth pre-date Moyes by years. Sullivan and his cronies on the board are to blame for it to a large extent. Moyes follows the line as he likes to use a small squad of 'trusted' players. Its idiocy is highlighted when injuries mount up.

[Matthew Holmes]

2nd string fluffed their lines. Couldn't be arsed. Bigshot I'm a premier league player attitude and got found wanting. We know who we can let go

[PastyTime]

"Im glad I only had to travel 2 miles to watch that. Fair play to everyone who made the journey. Dismal set up and performance. Playing Soucek and JWP on their own in the middle is just suicide. Im getting very concerned that the management cant see it. Playing wingbacks and having Beeny and Cornet out wide as well was just odd. I thought Ings did ok, bearing in mind the service he had - and Johnson played well and deserves to start the next game."