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"Or should i say they are attacking to get THEIR land back. Good luck to them. The World will watch and do nothing to help them as they always do, shame on us."

"Tony Blair, Middle East peace envoy. Oh, hold on…"

John PRESCOTT

Dennis Skinnerstein :-) ....and before I get accused of anti semitism for that my maiden name is Jewish.

A Jewish version of Dennis Skinner would be interesting.

I'd love to see a Jewish version of Mo.Mowlam. or a really strict teacher go in there and say I don't give a fuck.how this started just get it sorted peacefully. They are fighting over a country no bigger than Wales and their most valuable export is probably jaffa cakes ffs. Is it worth all this hatred and bloodshed?. You can't get peace without trust and you can't get security without peace. If both sides can't see that simple truth then there is no hope it really is that simple.

The 2-state solution will get off to a flying start when those who can present a legitimate claim to the property they occupy are respected by the law.

question: are the illegal settlements actually illegal because of the 1967 UN settlement? Because lots of land is technically illegal based on that settlement (Golan heights etc). Personally I feel the the settlement thing at the moment is antagonising to say the least and isn't helping. But after multiple 2-state deals being rejected I also dont think the conflict would stop if the orthodox lot gave up the settlements either. So why would they?

The historical perspective you mentioned and the legal title deed are both perfectly sound and need to be respected. No question about that Debs.

H&P modern settlements clearly aren't what I was referring to. I was just putting some if the history into.perspectuve. The land purchases which the ottomans initially wanted to prohibit altogether were an initial source of friction once Jews had made land that arabs had considered useless into cultivated land. Not saying illegal.settlements were anything but that or that Netanyahu isn't a twat. It is important though that we gave proper perspective.. Too many just don't call the past correctly on this. Often that us through having a specific agenda obviously.

"Westside 1:40 Tue Oct 17 Yep and they agreed a deal with Egypt to give back the Sinai for peace. Unless someone tells me otherwise, I think there has been peace with Egypt since then."

"When there is a legitimate title deed, there really is no title claim to a property. So the emotional reaction would be unnecessary if the whole legal basis for holding property in Palestine was sound. But I’m afraid this is where the illegal settlements especially in the West Bank come into the picture creating a conflict of interests between Jewish Israelis who hold property legally and those who don’t. The Netanyahu regime of course plays on these emotions in the most cynical way possible."

WHU(Exeter) 1:30 Tue Oct 17 Considering Israel gave back Gaza for peace. I would say if it meant there would be actual peace they probably would!

"I find it interesting that when people talk.about this subject, especially those hostile to Israels mere existence what always gets forgotten is that even before Israel.was set up as a nation Zionist groups were buying land from.tbe late 19th century and up to.its creation as Israel. There were blocks in place as to how much land they could have and of the land they bought, from both Palestinians and non Palestinian landowners most was coastal and uncultivated.. This quote is from when the British took over Palestine in connection to that land which Jews had bought. '""The shortage of land is due less to purchase by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population. The Arab claims that the Jews have obtained too large a proportion of good land cannot be maintained. Much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamps and uncultivated when it was bought."" Basically a lot of the mistrust felt by Jews towards Arabs stemmed from.the fact that they wanted land back that Jews had legitimately bought and cultivated . I mean you'd be pretty pissed off if you bought a house that was run down and that no-body else wanted, made into a lovely little palace then the original.owner started trying to get it back. Not excusing a lot of the stuff that happened since but as 360 said even some of that land was won in battle when they were invaded. This idea some have that Palestine was just entirely and brutally colonised by Jews is a false narrative."

"The other thing that gets me about the 1967 borders thing (that they dont seem top accept anyway) is that Israel was attacked and the areas were captured. It wasn't that Israel invaded anywhere. That's exactly what Israel did. In 1967 they launched a pre emptive strike, that was so effective , the conflict was over in 6 days. As a result of this conflict, Israel gained control over the Sinai peninsula, the Golan Heights, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem."

"360, a two state solution would include the West Bank. So if there ever was a two state solution, that would mean the Israeli settlements in the West Bank would need to be dissolved. How likely do you think that would happen?"

After 40 days and 40 nights in the desert you can be pretty sure any kids born 9 months later are not yours and can tell the CSA to fuck off with their claim.

*dons riding boots and goosesteps through tread with one arm raised holding a toothbrush under his noise

"I have been reading about the birth of religions going back 10000 BC. 12000+ years of Chinese whispers. The parting of a river and the killing of first born son goes back to Hinduisms 2000 BC, Noahs Ark the end of the ice age and told in many long gone religions. There was a Jesus like man who lived in Ancient Greece. The often refereed to 40 days and 40 nights is the time Venus takes to orbit the sun 40 years. Abraham is to blame for all of todays strife (STONE HIM)"

"Yeah, Lineker, cսnt."

https://twitter.com/GayRepublicSwag/status/1713651755630944615

https://twitter.com/GayRepublicSwag/status/1713651755630944615

"On top of the Temple Mount / Jerusalem issue you have this: ""As of 2021, most Palestinians are against the two-state solution. In 2021, a poll by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research revealed that 39% of Palestinians accept a two-state solution, while 59% said they rejected it.[11] Support is even lower among younger Palestinians; U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice noted: ""Increasingly, the Palestinians who talk about a two-state solution are my age."" So as a people, they generally dont want Israel to exist. Which leads me to believe that Hamas has majority support in the region. At least Hamas' political aims are aligned with most Palestinians. So I think the way the ""left"" see this issue is bizarre. As they refuse to acknowledge that in order to solve the problem satisfactorily, Israel would have to give up Israel. And if Palestinians with their current views were allowed to freely roam Israel, I would think there would be a lot of dead Israelis. The other thing that gets me about the 1967 borders thing (that they dont seem top accept anyway) is that Israel was attacked and the areas were captured. It wasn't that Israel invaded anywhere. Some of the land they have like the Golan Heights are strategic (high mountains that you can launch attacks from), which is why the dont want to give it up. I do think Israels retaliations are over the top in lots of ways. And I dont support that at all. But I'm really not sure what any one else would do given the situation they find themselves in? And yeah, it was cheeky of them to take the land originally. But that ship has sailed. Just like so many thing in this world. After a period of time you cannot go back. You can only try to make your future as good as you can. I dont see any attempt to do that from the side that, let's face it, has lost."

Hamas is just a name for a fighting faction of a religion?

"If it wasn't for the western led demand for oil & gas, this lot would still be flinging camel dung at each other. By far the better policy here is to find an alternative energy source and thereby cut off the funding. But even that, where offered, is being driven the wrong way - forcing an ever increasing reliance on China; not for the energy itself, but for it's production infrastructure. As for the current crisis though, it dos now seem that the only way to break this cycle is to steamroller Hamas off the planet."

Rio’s whatever it is both want it…..it’s the back drop for why they hate each other. It’s why Christian America likes the ownership as it is with the current owner leaning away from the Middle East…..more aligned to Western ways.