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Far Cough UKunt" wrote: ↑14 Oct 2025, 15:42 I remember when Patrick Vieira spat at Ruddock and he said it reeked of garlic.*

Wrong Ruddock?*

By the way Hagler is the best ever fighter for me apart from Muhammad that is.


 

Council Scum" wrote: ↑14 Oct 2025, 08:33

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Oct 2025, 16:02

Council Scum" wrote: ↑13 Oct 2025, 14:45

Smith and Tucker were his two best wins and he struggled with both, they aren't even in a top 100 of heavies.

Tyson was exciting, but ultimately badly exposed. Once people realised if you weren't intimidated, he didn't have anything else. 

 

I think Razor Ruddock was the best fighter Tyson faced when he was in his prime. 
Holyfield did too many Roids but I will give him his respect he had heart and a great chin, his fights with Bowe were some of the most brutal rounds of boxing I’ve seen.

A prime Duran beat up a prime Leonard as Did Tommy Hearns.

Leonard ducked Hagler for years before they fought. Haglers fights with Hearns and Mugabi prove to me he was the best of the four kings.

 

Ruddock was just an average heavy, who were his best wins against? A washed up Bonecrusher? 

A prime Duran also lost to Leonard, as Leonard fought the right fight in the rematch, the sign of a great champion.

earns didn't beat Leonard, he got stopped. Probably best you know about the subject matter if you are going to make claims on it. 

I loved Hagler, for me the greatest middle of all time, but he fought Duran, Leonard and Hearns at his weight, not theirs. 

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Oct 2025, 16:02

Council Scum" wrote: ↑13 Oct 2025, 14:45

southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑13 Oct 2025, 14:16 I do think Tyson’s record and reputation is talked-up a little. But he did beat some decent heavyweights.

He beat Holmes convincingly, albeit a long-retired version of Larry Holmes. But he also beat Tucker (previously undefeated) and Bonecrusher Smith, both of whom were canny, tough fuckers who knew their way around the ring.

Do agree that he made a slightly inflated reputation out of battering average champions (by historical standards) in the 80s. But it was enjoyable and exciting to watch! He cleaned up the division and brought audiences back. For a few years, at least.

Did some sparring for a few years in my 20s and 30s (mostly kickboxing, bit of boxing), and have huge respect for anybody who climbs into a ring. Your soul is fucking exposed in there.

Smith and Tucker were his two best wins and he struggled with both, they aren't even in a top 100 of heavies.

Tyson was exciting, but ultimately badly exposed. Once people realised if you weren't intimidated, he didn't have anything else. 

 

I think Razor Ruddock was the best fighter Tyson faced when he was in his prime. 
Holyfield did too many Roids but I will give him his respect he had heart and a great chin, his fights with Bowe were some of the most brutal rounds of boxing I’ve seen.

A prime Duran beat up a prime Leonard as Did Tommy Hearns.

Leonard ducked Hagler for years before they fought. Haglers fights with Hearns and Mugabi prove to me he was the best of the four kings.

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Oct 2025, 16:02

Leonard ducked Hagler for years before they fought.

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Oct 2025, 16:02

Council Scum" wrote: ↑13 Oct 2025, 14:45

southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑13 Oct 2025, 14:16 I do think Tyson’s record and reputation is talked-up a little. But he did beat some decent heavyweights.

He beat Holmes convincingly, albeit a long-retired version of Larry Holmes. But he also beat Tucker (previously undefeated) and Bonecrusher Smith, both of whom were canny, tough fuckers who knew their way around the ring.

Do agree that he made a slightly inflated reputation out of battering average champions (by historical standards) in the 80s. But it was enjoyable and exciting to watch! He cleaned up the division and brought audiences back. For a few years, at least.

Did some sparring for a few years in my 20s and 30s (mostly kickboxing, bit of boxing), and have huge respect for anybody who climbs into a ring. Your soul is fucking exposed in there.

Smith and Tucker were his two best wins and he struggled with both, they aren't even in a top 100 of heavies.

Tyson was exciting, but ultimately badly exposed. Once people realised if you weren't intimidated, he didn't have anything else. 

 

I think Razor Ruddock was the best fighter Tyson faced when he was in his prime. 
Holyfield did too many Roids but I will give him his respect he had heart and a great chin, his fights with Bowe were some of the most brutal rounds of boxing I’ve seen.

A prime Duran beat up a prime Leonard as Did Tommy Hearns.

Leonard ducked Hagler for years before they fought. Haglers fights with Hearns and Mugabi prove to me he was the best of the four kings.

Council Scum" wrote: ↑13 Oct 2025, 14:45

southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑13 Oct 2025, 14:16 I do think Tyson’s record and reputation is talked-up a little. But he did beat some decent heavyweights.

He beat Holmes convincingly, albeit a long-retired version of Larry Holmes. But he also beat Tucker (previously undefeated) and Bonecrusher Smith, both of whom were canny, tough fuckers who knew their way around the ring.

Do agree that he made a slightly inflated reputation out of battering average champions (by historical standards) in the 80s. But it was enjoyable and exciting to watch! He cleaned up the division and brought audiences back. For a few years, at least.

Did some sparring for a few years in my 20s and 30s (mostly kickboxing, bit of boxing), and have huge respect for anybody who climbs into a ring. Your soul is fucking exposed in there.

Smith and Tucker were his two best wins and he struggled with both, they aren't even in a top 100 of heavies.

Tyson was exciting, but ultimately badly exposed. Once people realised if you weren't intimidated, he didn't have anything else. 

Council Scum" wrote: ↑13 Oct 2025, 14:45

southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑13 Oct 2025, 14:16 I do think Tyson’s record and reputation is talked-up a little. But he did beat some decent heavyweights.

He beat Holmes convincingly, albeit a long-retired version of Larry Holmes. But he also beat Tucker (previously undefeated) and Bonecrusher Smith, both of whom were canny, tough fuckers who knew their way around the ring.

Do agree that he made a slightly inflated reputation out of battering average champions (by historical standards) in the 80s. But it was enjoyable and exciting to watch! He cleaned up the division and brought audiences back. For a few years, at least.

Did some sparring for a few years in my 20s and 30s (mostly kickboxing, bit of boxing), and have huge respect for anybody who climbs into a ring. Your soul is fucking exposed in there.

Smith and Tucker were his two best wins and he struggled with both, they aren't even in a top 100 of heavies.

Tyson was exciting, but ultimately badly exposed. Once people realised if you weren't intimidated, he didn't have anything else. 

southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑13 Oct 2025, 14:16 I do think Tyson’s record and reputation is talked-up a little. But he did beat some decent heavyweights.

He beat Holmes convincingly, albeit a long-retired version of Larry Holmes. But he also beat Tucker (previously undefeated) and Bonecrusher Smith, both of whom were canny, tough fuckers who knew their way around the ring.

Do agree that he made a slightly inflated reputation out of battering average champions (by historical standards) in the 80s. But it was enjoyable and exciting to watch! He cleaned up the division and brought audiences back. For a few years, at least.

Did some sparring for a few years in my 20s and 30s (mostly kickboxing, bit of boxing), and have huge respect for anybody who climbs into a ring. Your soul is fucking exposed in there.

Council Scum" wrote: ↑13 Oct 2025, 09:15 Prime Tyson is a myth for Fanboys only. Tyson was a bully, Holyfield was one of the hardest men to ever put on a pair of gloves. 

Leonard beats any version of Hagler, Christ Leonard had fought once in 5 years and Hagler hadn't lost in 11 years, if anyone wasn't in their prime its Leonard.

Holmes destroys Tyson in his prime if you want a proper example. 

Mr Anon" wrote: ↑13 Oct 2025, 11:14

Council Scum" wrote: ↑13 Oct 2025, 09:15 Prime Tyson is a myth for Fanboys only. Tyson was a bully, Holyfield was one of the hardest men to ever put on a pair of gloves. 

Leonard beats any version of Hagler, Christ Leonard had fought once in 5 years and Hagler hadn't lost in 11 years, if anyone wasn't in their prime its Leonard.

Holmes destroys Tyson in his prime if you want a proper example. 

incredibly unfair in Tyson IMO, he was technically great too, especially defensively, he destroyed almost everyone, Ali lost in his prime too

Council Scum" wrote: ↑13 Oct 2025, 09:15 Prime Tyson is a myth for Fanboys only. Tyson was a bully, Holyfield was one of the hardest men to ever put on a pair of gloves. 

Leonard beats any version of Hagler, Christ Leonard had fought once in 5 years and Hagler hadn't lost in 11 years, if anyone wasn't in their prime its Leonard.

Holmes destroys Tyson in his prime if you want a proper example. 

Mr Anon" wrote: ↑13 Oct 2025, 11:14

Council Scum" wrote: ↑13 Oct 2025, 09:15 Prime Tyson is a myth for Fanboys only. Tyson was a bully, Holyfield was one of the hardest men to ever put on a pair of gloves. 

Leonard beats any version of Hagler, Christ Leonard had fought once in 5 years and Hagler hadn't lost in 11 years, if anyone wasn't in their prime its Leonard.

Holmes destroys Tyson in his prime if you want a proper example. 

incredibly unfair on Tyson IMO, he was technically great too, especially defensively, he destroyed almost everyone, Ali lost in his prime too