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US Election, November 5th
Posted: 02 Nov 2024, 03:51
by Sydney_Iron
And a bit eerily and worryingly Bonfire night!!!! Let's hope it doesn't descend into that though
Never know an election be in the news so much, all over Aussie TV and expect the worlds TV as well, so many (non Septic's) have an opinion on it as well? WTF
fuck knows who wins, personally don't care as both sides seem like a pack of cunts, so IMHO there will be no winner for the American people, the best we can hope for is that one side wins convincingly and so less chance of it kicking off but i bet whomever wins none of the doomsayers predictions will come to pass in any shape or form, it will just be business as usual and snouts in the trough for those associated with the winning side.
America will still be a freak show and your average American no better or worse off than before.
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 19:24
by goose
It doesn’t set the price but can directly impact the supply in the market through the SPR. There is also a federal tax on gasoline.
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 19:18
by BBondsBootlaces
Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 19:04
Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 18:55
Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 18:43
You have no grasp of reality.
Gas — Trump $2.57/gal vs. Biden $3.61/gal
Avg. Home — Trump $320K vs. Biden $420K
Interest rates — Trump 3.8% vs. Biden 5.3%
Border crossings — Trump 1.7M vs. Biden 13M
(this was in June so excuse me if some of the figures are off)
Show us Trump’s counter-inflationary policies. The inflation during the Biden years is a direct result of a number of factors of which Trump’s trade war with the world, support of Putin and GOP sabotage in the House are in the main.
Again, no grasp of reality. Biden and Harris presided over the highest trade deficit in U.S. history.
The government doesn't set the price of gas it is a combination of different factors.
Trumps trade deficit was the highest it had ever been under his administration as well.
These aren't difficult facts to find out for yourself.
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 19:16
by Hammer and Pickle
Biden’s main failure has been to continue the failed trade war with the world Trump initiated. If Harris is to win the war on inflation, she must do exactly the opposite of what Trump advocates, which is open up the extraordinarily protective US market to international trade. Trump would never do that, while he and his mates will trouser vast $$$ by turning the protectionist screw for another four years.
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 19:14
by One Sunny Day
Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 18:31
One Sunny Day" wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 18:20
I'd say the big thing Trump has going for him is the economy which is voters number 1 issue. The US economy is actually pretty healthy with unemployment down but it's the cost of living crisis which is the problem. People live so spaced out in a lot of the US and tend to be quite insular so don't really care about the big picture but are pissed off when their food is so expensive and it costs loads more to fill up their cars with petrol to get to work.
Hopefully they are now asking themselves how voting for Trump is going to change that picture because it’s pretty much a certainty it’s going to be a lot worse for them if it’s a Trump administration for the next four years.
Oh, I agree, if Trump follows through with his wild threats to raise massive tariffs on goods coming in from Mexico and wherever else he has just flown into a rage about. It is of course populous nonsense. Everyone in the chain will just raise their prices to cover it and it will only be the the American consumers at the end who will be hit by it.
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 19:04
by Lee Trundle
Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 18:55
Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 18:43
Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 18:31
Hopefully they are now asking themselves how voting for Trump is going to change that picture because it’s pretty much a certainty it’s going to be a lot worse for them if it’s a Trump administration for the next four years.
You have no grasp of reality.
Gas — Trump $2.57/gal vs. Biden $3.61/gal
Avg. Home — Trump $320K vs. Biden $420K
Interest rates — Trump 3.8% vs. Biden 5.3%
Border crossings — Trump 1.7M vs. Biden 13M
(this was in June so excuse me if some of the figures are off)
Show us Trump’s counter-inflationary policies. The inflation during the Biden years is a direct result of a number of factors of which Trump’s trade war with the world, support of Putin and GOP sabotage in the House are in the main.
Again, no grasp of reality. Biden and Harris presided over the highest trade deficit in U.S. history.
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 19:03
by BBondsBootlaces
ironsofcanada wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 18:52
One Sunny Day" wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 18:20
I'd say the big thing Trump has going for him is the economy which is voters number 1 issue. The US economy is actually pretty healthy with unemployment down but it's the cost of living crisis which is the problem. People live so spaced out in a lot of the US and tend to be quite insular so don't really care about the big picture but are pissed off when their food is so expensive and it costs loads more to fill up their cars with petrol to get to work.
There is something close to a valid point in there but an erroneous premise and a silly leap in logic undercuts it.
80% of the States' population is urban, so that could carry any election if the cities actually voted as a block.
Your layout of the American voting mind is the silly part. The "big picture" for most is how good your life is. If the overwhelming concern is that your income is not allowing you to buy the things you consider important - including the basics - that is the "big picture."
The most recent jobs numbers (only 12,000 added, most of which were government jobs) were not great in and of themselves but even ignoring that you can't pretend that wages and jobs have matched inflation over the Biden/Harris years and that is not a part of the big picture.
But you are right that the economy is by far the biggest voting issue on every poll.
From early last month
https://news.gallup.com/poll/651719/eco ... -vote.aspx
Wages don't really follow inflation.
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 18:56
by XKhammer
Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 16:34
It's funny they can wheel out P Diddy’s freak off hoe and not one of them bats an eyelid.
You mean Trump's very dear good friend
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 18:55
by Hammer and Pickle
Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 18:43
Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 18:31
Hopefully they are now asking themselves how voting for Trump is going to change that picture because it’s pretty much a certainty it’s going to be a lot worse for them if it’s a Trump administration for the next four years.
You have no grasp of reality.
Gas — Trump $2.57/gal vs. Biden $3.61/gal
Avg. Home — Trump $320K vs. Biden $420K
Interest rates — Trump 3.8% vs. Biden 5.3%
Border crossings — Trump 1.7M vs. Biden 13M
(this was in June so excuse me if some of the figures are off)
Show us Trump’s counter-inflationary policies. The inflation during the Biden years is a direct result of a number of factors of which Trump’s trade war with the world, support of Putin and GOP sabotage in the House are in the main.
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 18:52
by ironsofcanada
One Sunny Day" wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 18:20
I'd say the big thing Trump has going for him is the economy which is voters number 1 issue. The US economy is actually pretty healthy with unemployment down but it's the cost of living crisis which is the problem. People live so spaced out in a lot of the US and tend to be quite insular so don't really care about the big picture but are pissed off when their food is so expensive and it costs loads more to fill up their cars with petrol to get to work.
There is something close to a valid point in there but an erroneous premise and a silly leap in logic undercuts it.
80% of the States' population is urban, so that could carry any election if the cities actually voted as a block.
Your layout of the American voting mind is the silly part. The "big picture" for most is how good your life is. If the overwhelming concern is that your income is not allowing you to buy the things you consider important - including the basics - that is the "big picture."
The most recent jobs numbers (only 12,000 added, most of which were government jobs) were not great in and of themselves but even ignoring that you can't pretend that wages and jobs have matched inflation over the Biden/Harris years and that is not a part of the big picture.
But you are right that the economy is by far the biggest voting issue on every poll.
From early last month
https://news.gallup.com/poll/651719/eco ... -vote.aspx
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 18:43
by Lee Trundle
Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 18:31
Hopefully they are now asking themselves how voting for Trump is going to change that picture because it’s pretty much a certainty it’s going to be a lot worse for them if it’s a Trump administration for the next four years.
You have no grasp of reality.
Gas — Trump $2.57/gal vs. Biden $3.61/gal
Avg. Home — Trump $320K vs. Biden $420K
Interest rates — Trump 3.8% vs. Biden 5.3%
Border crossings — Trump 1.7M vs. Biden 13M
(this was in June so excuse me if some of the figures are off)
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 18:31
by Hammer and Pickle
One Sunny Day" wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 18:20
I'd say the big thing Trump has going for him is the economy which is voters number 1 issue. The US economy is actually pretty healthy with unemployment down but it's the cost of living crisis which is the problem. People live so spaced out in a lot of the US and tend to be quite insular so don't really care about the big picture but are pissed off when their food is so expensive and it costs loads more to fill up their cars with petrol to get to work.
Hopefully they are now asking themselves how voting for Trump is going to change that picture because it’s pretty much a certainty it’s going to be a lot worse for them if it’s a Trump administration for the next four years.
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 18:20
by One Sunny Day
I'd say the big thing Trump has going for him is the economy which is voters number 1 issue. The US economy is actually pretty healthy with unemployment down but it's the cost of living crisis which is the problem. People live so spaced out in a lot of the US and tend to be quite insular so don't really care about the big picture but are pissed off when their food is so expensive and it costs loads more to fill up their cars with petrol to get to work.
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 18:16
by goose
Was just messing around with an online prediction map, and I had Harris getting 270 vs 268 Trump.
Historically whoever takes Pennsylvania will also take Michigan and Wisconsin. That gets her 270.
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 17:44
by ironsofcanada
zico wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 17:23
The Canadian system is a lot more like the UK system than the States so we get party-elected, not electorate-elected leaders at various levels of government a lot.
There is a balance of course, pure democracy won't work for an electorate of millions of people. But as you say, the candidates are not really picked by the people. Harris was picked because she was as different as you could realstically be from what was losing (old Biden), in my opinion, but they didn't take into consideration what the central core of the country cared about.
Trump honestly used his personal popularity amongst a hardcore group in the Republican party to win party elections and become the candidate. There are problems with that as well. I have wanted different Republican candiates every time Trump ran including this one. That said, some of the people in his team are people I really like. Ramaswamy and Gabbard are people I knew and would have liked as the nomineee. Vance has surprised and impressed me a lot.
But like a lot of things, it is sometimes having to pick the best of the worst.
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 17:35
by Fauxstralian
Harris is a candidate , Biden is still President until January
Different when Johnson got booted the imbecile Truss & Sunak became Prime Minister. Unelected Prime Minister
Totally different
Capiche?
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 17:23
by zico
ironsofcanada wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 16:54
zico wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 15:45
If Trump wins I guess a lot of it will be down to the fact that Harris isn't democratically elected, they voted Biden 4 years back not Harris.
While I think this should be a bigger issue on both sides, especially with Democrats using the slogans "to save democracy," etc. most people I have read and talked to are pretty numb to that kind of thinking and rhetoric.
Again on both sides. Consider that Trump was targeted for assassination twice by people who had these kind of views and that has not been the pillar of the Republican message in the home stretch.
The message has lately been you life was better with Trump and worse under Biden/Harris. Her lack of policy discussion or her attempt to distance herself from her past positions seems to enforce that for a lot of people. From my experience.
On the NATO bit, first he has explicitly said he won't leave NATO, he wants the members to pay their agreed share.
That said, it is harder and harder to convince American mothers and fathers to send their children to die in other countries. I used to firmly believe that it was imporant to enforce values around the world but lots of conflicts have shown: it is usually not about the values and the end result is just lots of people on both sides die.
Good post, I wasn't aware that he had said he wouldn't withdraw from NATO, totally agree though that members should pay their agreed share.
Obviously I am aware that in the case of a leadership election it's not a democratic process but like what we had here after Johnson went was a lot of voters arguing that they hadn't voted for Truss or Sunak, which is a fair point. As per the UK I am just staggered that in countries with millions of people you couldn't get better candidates than Sunak/Starmer and Trump/Harris.
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 16:54
by ironsofcanada
zico wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 15:45
If Trump wins I guess a lot of it will be down to the fact that Harris isn't democratically elected, they voted Biden 4 years back not Harris.
While I think this should be a bigger issue on both sides, especially with Democrats using the slogans "to save democracy," etc. most people I have read and talked to are pretty numb to that kind of thinking and rhetoric.
Again on both sides. Consider that Trump was targeted for assassination twice by people who had these kind of views and that has not been the pillar of the Republican message in the home stretch.
The message has lately been you life was better with Trump and worse under Biden/Harris. Her lack of policy discussion or her attempt to distance herself from her past positions seems to enforce that for a lot of people. From my experience.
On the NATO bit, first he has explicitly said he won't leave NATO, he wants the members to pay their agreed share.
That said, it is harder and harder to convince American mothers and fathers to send their children to die in other countries. I used to firmly believe that it was imporant to enforce values around the world but lots of conflicts have shown: it is usually not about the values and the end result is just lots of people on both sides die.
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 16:34
by Lee Trundle
It's funny they can wheel out P Diddy’s freak off hoe and not one of them bats an eyelid.
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 16:12
by Council Scum
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 15:47
oh dear II" wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 15:29
Robert de Niro certainly talks like someone who I'd like to see pissed off, but somehow I don't really like to put him that category.
What does fuck me off with him and his ilk, think Bruce Springsteen that their opinion maters more than anybody eles because they can act and sing
Plus they're the typical, disgusting, hypocritical Hollywood set when it comes to telling people how they should be living their lives with a straight face (that'll be the botox), whilst simultaneously jetting here, there and everyfuckingwhere gushing their carbon footprints all over the planet as an example..
DO AS I SAY, SERFS! (not do as I do)
Gervais knows the type and even had the bollocks to tell them all to their smug faces too (De Niro being one of them) like an absolute Don.
The same Hollywood set that all worked with Roman Polanski a child rapist.
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 16:03
by Lee Trundle
You have issues with reality, Pickled.
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 16:01
by Hammer and Pickle
He called you a liar, Twundle
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 15:53
by Lee Trundle
ironsofcanada wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 15:43
Cheers, I did know about that and I probably could have been clearer.
My point was just that pretending that Starlink was asking for anything around 40 billion for that US proposal is either massively ignorant or lying.
Sorry, that post was directed at Pickled, not you.
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 15:47
by Massive Attack
oh dear II" wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 15:29
Robert de Niro certainly talks like someone who I'd like to see pissed off, but somehow I don't really like to put him that category.
What does fuck me off with him and his ilk, think Bruce Springsteen that their opinion maters more than anybody eles because they can act and sing
Plus they're the typical, disgusting, hypocritical Hollywood set when it comes to telling people how they should be living their lives with a straight face (that'll be the botox), whilst simultaneously jetting here, there and everyfuckingwhere gushing their carbon footprints all over the planet as an example..
DO AS I SAY, SERFS! (not do as I do)
Gervais knows the type and even had the bollocks to tell them all to their smug faces too (De Niro being one of them) like an absolute Don.
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 15:45
by zico
If Trump wins I guess a lot of it will be down to the fact that Harris isn't democratically elected, they voted Biden 4 years back not Harris. Personally like most Political candidates these days neither inspire much confidence but if Trump wins and carries out his threat of withdrawing the US from NATO us and the rest of Europe will be more doomed than we already are.
Re: US Election, November 5th
Posted: 05 Nov 2024, 15:43
by ironsofcanada
Cheers, I did know about that and I probably could have been clearer.
My point was just that pretending that Starlink was asking for anything around 40 billion for that US proposal is either massively ignorant or lying.
