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Match Centre:



Odds: 
West Ham: 19/5
Draw: 10/3
Bournemouth: 8/11

Pre-Match Press Conference:

https://www.youtube.com/live/CR-gSQpfTb8

Tactical Preview: 

https://youtu.be/IiKUsXLqtAM 


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https://www.youtube.com/live/BWFxZUjqmsY?feature=shared


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Prediction: 3-1 Defeat and the end of Lopetegui.
Lineup:

Fabianski

Mavropanos
Todibo
Kilman
Wan Bissaka

Soler
Soucek
Paqueta

Bowen
Fullkrug
Kudus
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Haven’t been a fan of soucek under Moyes mainly because a counter attacking team needs pace and he didn’t have it, and also Moyes’ teams needed individual skill for the few chances we created and again, he’s not the best on the ball to be fair.

However, new manager, new playing style and as stubbo has said, he plays that midfield position well when we have possession. Mainly because he plays it quite simple and knows when to drop back and cover. Plus he has the set piece threat that others don’t.

I think he proved himself at Newcastle this season. I think he has become key to a team that needs some disciplined control in midfield right now. Paq isn’t disciplined, neither is kudus. The dropping back in the CD is also essential as it allows Kilman or Todibo to take the initiative and drive into midfield. I see AWB was also doing that in the last game.

Our team is in a weird state as I see the changes Loppy has made, I can see where he’s trying to go. But I don’t know if he can “coach it all in” to the team.

Will be interesting if he starts Fullkrug. Logically you think the possession we had at Leicester etc means what’s missing is a marksman like fillkrug rather than a pace merchant.

TLDR:

Bascily after all that above I have no fucking clue as to what to expect tonight lol
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I genuinely hope Soucek puts it a right humdinger of a performance in tonight both as holding CM and our main goal threat. I also hope Kudus will find his feet either as a striker or a left-sided forward and we blow them out into the English Channel. I’ll be watching with interest at how this all pans out.
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The biggest compliment I could give Soucek is we miss him when he's not starting in the Team ..

Man City 1-3
Chelsea 0-3
Forest 3-0

We started the season fine when he started Villa, Palace, Bournemouth (2 clean sheets and a goal) in all Comps then once left out we went to shit missing his qualities at both ends of the pitch. 

Now he's had a run of games back in the side again, we look a better Team for it. It's not a coincidence. 
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Soucek is a conundrum. I am still convinced, long term, that to progress he cannot be a regular starter but that is when we actually build a squad with the profile players needed to play a fast, possession game with relentless pressing and movement.   Our squad is a half baked mess.  The depletion of the squad under Moyes was always going to make it tough with having to recruit and integrate 8 new players. And transforming from a low block, counter attack team to one that dominates possession and stretches teams with pace and movement made it even tougher.  

The recruitment in the back line was “ok”. Kilman, AWB and Todibo will I think prove that over time, when the other parts of the team / squad are addressed properly, to be very good players.

But ( Lop ) really got it wrong in central midfield. He pushed for the wrong profile of player and 
up front Steidten switched from the right profile of player ( Duran ) to the wrong one in Fullkrug who is more of an immobile, target man like Chris Wood who thrives in a low block, counter attacking system ( ironically Moyesball /  Nunoball 🤭)

The real disappointment this season is Alvarez and Paqueta. Both so slow, ill disciplined in positioning and poor in decision making unable to play on the half turn and so ineffective in transitions.  Rodruiguez just so immobile / slow for the Premiership too. Soler has emerged now as the best of a bad bunch of recruits in centre mid. Nothing to crow about though.

So Soucek, while being not the long term answer,  has become important to a team playing this “half in half out” system where we try to keep the ball without doing the necessary pressing and running to make it really work. Maybe because collectively they are too slow but also because ( as mentioned already ) they lack the discipline or simply dont understand what the coach wants? Probably all of those things.

Soucek, despite his limitations technically ( passing/ control ) and physically ( pace ) is disciplined positionally even if he is easily bypassed. He at least keeps things simple to avoid being caught in possesion like Alvarez and Paqueta.  But teally he’s just the best or most reliable of a bad bunch in that sense.  But he has to start now solely because he come up with a goal from a set piece or cross.  

Tonight, Lop IMO would be advised to start with Soler, Paqueta deeper and Soucek the three that started and conpeted well against Newcastle although were overwhelmed / overrun by Arsenal a few days later ( tiredness ? Or tactical as we sat deep) .  Alvarez who I thought was a real asset is currently too big a liability to a start.  Paqueta similar but played deeper showed in that Newcastle game that he might be more effective. But its a gamble for sure.

It could go either way. I suspect it wont be great because Bournemouth are the best pressing, furthest running team in the league.  But they have a few out. We only have a chance if as a team we put in the effort, the yards and are disciplined in keeping our shape ( positioning ).  If Floppy tries the high line and advanced wing backs we will be carved apart on the counter with acres of space for Bournemouth to run into.  

Ironically, we have to play as more of a counter attack team again with this squad ( Moyes esque ). We simply do not yet have the players to progress to the possession / high line being attempted. Only my opinion and hardly giving any great insight. Most of us can see the same problems  Suspect we will lose whatever we do with our half baked squad and ineffective ( nay suicidal ) tactics but hoping things run for us, we keep disciplined, stay in shape when out of possession and break at speed when we get the chance. 
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Alwaysaniron wrote: 16 Dec 2024, 09:06
I'm going for a 3:! loss on this.  Bournemouth have a great tight knit unit managed by somebody who understands both his players and the game... They're rapid quick through midfield and their wingbacks are lightening fast too.  

On the plus side Loppy may get the boot after the game should we lose.
You rate Iraola and his management, even though he had a very similar poor start to life at Bournemouth last season as Lopetegui has with us? Funny what patience can bring when you give it time..

And I hope we get a result and you'll be gutted he's still here.
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Have the children stopped fighting yet?

Can we get back to the predictions?

I'm going for a 3:! loss on this.  Bournemouth have a great tight knit unit managed by somebody who understands both his players and the game... They're rapid quick through midfield and their wingbacks are lightening fast too.  They don't defend set pieces that well and are prone to losing shape in the back line.  If we can get in behind them then we've a 'small' chance.  I'm going but not expecting anything from tonight.

On the plus side Loppy may get the boot after the game should we lose.
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Hammer and Pickle" wrote: 16 Dec 2024, 08:49 The use of Soucek, especially in central midfield is the root cause of our midfield problems. We end up with pretty much every pacy player either out of position (Kudus) or not even starting (Summerville).

How about you argue the case rather than rehash the bit about Soucek’s goals all the time? Of course he’s the only outlet if all the other possible scores have to adapt to him.
 
 
Newcastle, Arsenal, Leicester, Wolves the last 4 matches where we have created a shit load and often decent passages of play and Soucek has played in all 4. He isn't the main passer but he certainly isn't the root cause of our problems passing as a Team as we appear to be creating so many chances since Newcastle now.

Newcastle - 15 - Scored 2 (Soucek with 1)

Arsenal - 12 - Scored 2

Leicester 31 - Somehow only scored 1 (VAR questionably ruled goal out involving Soucek)

Wolves - 19 - Scored 2 (Soucek with 1)

Soucek is definitely not the root cause of our problems passing and/or creating chances and scoring usually twice a game he plays - See also Palace away where he scores and we win by 2 goals scored.
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Hammer and Pickle" wrote: 16 Dec 2024, 08:49 The use of Soucek, especially in central midfield is the root cause of our midfield problems. We end up with pretty much every pacy player either out of position (Kudus) or not even starting (Summerville).

How about you argue the case rather than rehash the bit about Soucek’s goals all the time? Of course he’s the only outlet if all the other possible scores have to adapt to him.
Soucek has been our best player in the middle of the park, plus he scores & creates goals.
but you’d rather play a massively out of form paqueta who offers nothing at either end of the pitch…… and play kudus out of position.

good one.
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Hammer and Pickle" wrote: 16 Dec 2024, 08:49 The use of Soucek, especially in central midfield is the root cause of our midfield problems. We end up with pretty much every pacy player either out of position (Kudus) or not even starting (Summerville).

How about you argue the case rather than rehash the bit about Soucek’s goals all the time? Of course he’s the only outlet if all the other possible scores have to adapt to him.
 
 
Pre this season Id have totally agreed. But he's been far and away our best holding midfielder this season. The only player that seems to understand and be able to deliver what Lopetegui wants from that number 6 position....dropping between CBs at times, covering players that have gone forward, simple possession and rotation etc.

On top of that he's been excellent as always at defending and attacking corners, and with keepers that will inevitably play it long, he's the main target for that just being a gift straight back to the opposition.

He simply has to play at the moment. We don't have someone better to play at 6.
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Manuel wrote: 16 Dec 2024, 08:45 I think we have seen in recent weeks that it doesn't matter who plays where if we turn up looking like a Sunday morning pub team. I don't care who plays LB, we just need to turn up play to our max, not make silly mistakes and take our chances. I won't hold my breath.
That is all very true. 
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The use of Soucek, especially in central midfield is the root cause of our midfield problems. We end up with pretty much every pacy player either out of position (Kudus) or not even starting (Summerville).

How about you argue the case rather than rehash the bit about Soucek’s goals all the time? Of course he’s the only outlet if all the other possible scores have to adapt to him.
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I think we have seen in recent weeks that it doesn't matter who plays where if we turn up looking like a Sunday morning pub team. I don't care who plays LB, we just need to turn up play to our max, not make silly mistakes and take our chances. I won't hold my breath.
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As soon as you resort to playground insults, the other person has won, Pickled.

I wonder if the penny will ever drop with you?
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I won't have this match thread descend into a row that started on other threads. Goose, H&P, Trundle....don't start.

Thoroughly fed up with having to referee petty name calling squabbles between grown adults. 
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See?

The mental spastic that keeps dribbling
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Hammer and Pickle" wrote: 16 Dec 2024, 08:32
Lee Trundle" wrote: 16 Dec 2024, 08:24 The same plonker was suggesting we play Soucek up front not so long ago.

It does make me laugh when he tries to talk about football.
 
Soucek up front is the only legitimate position for him if you are relying on him for goals. It stops him from forcing the midfielders to play at a pace that suits Soucek and leaves us practically incapable of competing with any but the weakest sides in this league. You haven’t seen this yet? Ah yes - morning Twundle. Try not to dribble your breakfast all over the keyboard again.
My word.
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See?

The gift that keeps on giving.
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Lee Trundle" wrote: 16 Dec 2024, 08:24 The same plonker was suggesting we play Soucek up front not so long ago.

It does make me laugh when he tries to talk about football.
 
 
Soucek up front is the only legitimate position for him if you are relying on him for goals. It stops him from forcing the midfielders to play at a pace that suits Soucek and leaves us practically incapable of competing with any but the weakest sides in this league. You haven’t seen this yet? Ah yes - morning Twundle. Try not to dribble your breakfast all over the keyboard again.
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Would that be the same Soucek who played in both recent Newcastle and Leicester performances where our midfield and passing game as a Team creating endless chances has never looked so good in recent times? 
 
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poop MassiveSoucek who's our joint leading top scorer? Yeah, I'd 'shoehorn' him in as well. 
 
 
Yes. I want us playing something that resembles football, especially in midfield, rather than relying on Soucek for goals. It’s not of course the kind of approach I’d expect you to support, mind you.
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The same plonker was suggesting we play Soucek up front not so long ago.

It does make me laugh when he tries to talk about football.
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Hammer and Pickle" wrote: 16 Dec 2024, 08:11 Agree about Sarles though don’t know much about him myself. As for those who actually would start Kudus on the left and shoehorn Soucek into the side, well - the less said about that the better. However, I fear it is exactly what this plonker of a manager will do :(
As opposed to the plonker of a poster who wants to drop our top scorer & play a midfield 3 of Alvarez, Paqueta and Kudus?
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Takashi Miike" wrote: 16 Dec 2024, 07:54 Scarles should start, but he has zero interest in young players so it will be out of position AWB on the left and a now very slow defender at RB
Agree, perfect opportunity
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Soucek who's our joint leading top scorer? Yeah, I'd 'shoehorn' him in as well. 
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