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Pshyco scored all 4" wrote: ↑19 Jan 2025, 17:54 Once orford came on . I thought we moved the ball quicker. Even the commentators picked up on it . But it's not ideal to put a youngster on  in that situation. While the teams playing so poorly. We've too many old players I'm just hoping kretinsky tripp smith and Vanessa gold see the problem and sideline the dwarf once and for all .

, wrote: ↑19 Jan 2025, 17:12 Like goose I don’t expect much more this season. By the beginning of last September I had decided that we would finish as a team above and safe from the relegation group.

Now we have a new manager I have set my personal target for him and it might prove to be difficult for Potter to achieve. I want Potter to coach our defence to concede an average of less than two goals per game. 

twoleftfeet wrote: ↑19 Jan 2025, 15:34

Maverick180180 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2025, 15:23 Speaking of the youth, it’s gonna be interesting to see how Potter coaches Orford
cant say I’ve ever seen him play until yesterday but I know he’s highly rated
but he was like a deer in the headlights, played the ball sideways and backwards to the nearest player every time he had the ball
while its totally understandable that he’s a young kid making his debut and doesn’t want to do anything wrong so hes gonna play things simple, he ain’t gonna make it if he can’t get rid of the fear factor 
you can see it’s not an issue for Scarles, he gets stuck in, looks to play the ball forward if it’s on and not afraid to get the ball into the box, those are the youngsters that make it 
I’d say it’s now on Potter to get Orford in the right mind set 

I disagree, I thought he wanted the ball even with opposition players around him but our players seemed reluctant to do it. He is very similar to Lanzini in that he offers an out even when surrounded, the players just need to trust him.

Maverick180180 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2025, 15:23 Speaking of the youth, it’s gonna be interesting to see how Potter coaches Orford
cant say I’ve ever seen him play until yesterday but I know he’s highly rated
but he was like a deer in the headlights, played the ball sideways and backwards to the nearest player every time he had the ball
while its totally understandable that he’s a young kid making his debut and doesn’t want to do anything wrong so hes gonna play things simple, he ain’t gonna make it if he can’t get rid of the fear factor 
you can see it’s not an issue for Scarles, he gets stuck in, looks to play the ball forward if it’s on and not afraid to get the ball into the box, those are the youngsters that make it 
I’d say it’s now on Potter to get Orford in the right mind set 

Maverick180180 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2025, 15:23 Maverick180180

Speaking of the youth, it’s gonna be interesting to see how Potter coaches Orford
cant say I’ve ever seen him play until yesterday but I know he’s highly rated
but he was like a deer in the headlights, played the ball sideways and backwards to the nearest player every time he had the ball
while its totally understandable that he’s a young kid making his debut and doesn’t want to do anything wrong so hes gonna play things simple, he ain’t gonna make it if he can’t get rid of the fear factor 
you can see it’s not an issue for Scarles, he gets stuck in, looks to play the ball forward if it’s on and not afraid to get the ball into the box, those are the youngsters that make it 
I’d say it’s now on Potter to get Orford in the right mind set 

Sir Alf" wrote: ↑19 Jan 2025, 12:25 Fair points Maverick but I suspect Cresswell came in so he could play a back 3 with 2 advanced wing backs to match up with Palace.  He switched Kudus central as we had hoped but tactically went with a “double pivot” of Alvatez and Rodruiguez to limit space for Sarr and Eze and Mateta who like to run onto balls into the channels.  It restricted Palace first half to one clear on target effort from Mateta but completely nullified us in an attacking sense. We couldnt get the ball or break out when we did and Kudus and Paqueta were starved of service.

He got that wrong but then changed things by bringing Soler on and ditching the double pivot. That just saw us concede almost immediately. Unfortunately the high press that got Fulham to make 2 mistakes for 2 goals failed when Soler, Emerson, Alvarez and one other attempted it against Palace, they broke they and in 3 passes to Mateta a goal was scored. Potter said that Soler was feeling a tight hamstring from Tues which was why he didnt start.  

Potter had 2 problems. Conceding “boat loads” of goals and with 3 first choice forwards out, no real recognised outlet.  He tried to start by not conceding but got the balance wrong, tried to adjust it and we conceded. The sending off just killed the game.

Lets see what we do at Villa. If Scarles starts and we go to a back 4 it might help although Alvarez or the U21 rookie will have to play as a CB? Who then plays centre defensive mid.  Got to hope Summerville is back.

in summary, would not selecting Cresswell and Rodruiguez have led to a better result? No one knows. Maybe but maybe not.  I think the wider point is its tough to be too hard on Potter with such limited options. Its not like we had experience and quality on the bench.  

Missing your best forwards 4 if you include Antonio, and inheriting a one paced central midfield and centre back partnership in the absence of Todibo, is a huge millstone to be carrying.  At this early stage ( 3 games ) Im not going to conclude anything. Its what happens next that is more interesting. Will Potter double down on the defence first approach to stpp conceding the goals? Best form of defence is attack was almost impossible yesterday but with Bowen and Summerville returning, thats the time to get a better idea of Potter. He will have proper alternative options.

imho of course


 

Come On You Irons" wrote: ↑19 Jan 2025, 12:59 Could Potter do a Van Nistelrooy and go on a long losing run after winning his first Premier League game in charge?

Villa and Chelsea away next and I'll be amazed if we get anything from either game.

Appointing a new manager with a 29% career Premier League win percentage is hardly inspiring stuff.

onsideman wrote: ↑19 Jan 2025, 10:21 I agree with that twoleftfeet,  however I belive he deserves more criticism 

He was the new broom, given a huge budget and he failed to address the deficiencies that any lay person could easily identify.

The reason we paid over the odds for Kilman (and as a result had to give him such a long contract to amortise the cost) was because Lopetegui had obviously made him central to his appointment (our resident chairman of the Lopetegui Fan Club won't have the intelligence to acknowledge this). Soler and Rodriguez aren't up to scratch, Cresswell shouldn't have been given another year, and as for the players that were forced upon him, AWB has proved to be arguably the best signing and he refused to integrate Summerville - the same Summerville who's injury though absence is now being bemoaned. Fullkrug he can have... yet I'm not sure how a man who was so principled that he walked out on Wolves on the eve of the season due to broken promises became so easily fucked over here?

Manuel wrote: ↑19 Jan 2025, 10:30

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑19 Jan 2025, 10:19 Agree on Ashworth, bring him in and fuck Steidten off and I'd try and pair him with Mourinho, if he fancied it in the Summer. If we were to go for any former Chelsea manager, it's him who could handle our demands more. Potter isn't the answer to what we want long term. His CV at the top is poor, his Football philosophy is mainly boring and nondescript and he doesn't have a good track record in Cup competitions unless it's with a lower tier Swedish side once. Others are more than welcome to believe he's the answer based on very little evidence but I just think this will be further delay in improving things.



 

Why would anyone respect or take seriously your view on a manager at this level when you were, and continue to be, a fan of Lopetegui??

Oh its ok to talk about Lopetegui again just as long as others bring him up...

Fucking laughable. You seriously think he's some kind of mug clueless Manager don't you? Even though he regularly qualified Sevilla 3 years on the trot in the Champions League, as well as won the Europa League beating top Teams and managers, as well as being extremely successful at all Spain National levels whilst generally playing decent Football until he lost his job on the eve of a World Cup because Real Madrid, of all Teams triggered a release clause in his contract.