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goose wrote: ↑06 Feb 2025, 13:07BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑06 Feb 2025, 12:25goose wrote: ↑06 Feb 2025, 11:13Talk about re-writing history.
There were no protests about moving, nobody was forced to buy a season ticket at the new stadium. The club (as a whole inc the fans) chose to move. They actually did a survey and people wanted to move.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/22525290
"West Ham's relocation from Upton Park to the Olympic Stadium in Stratford has been backed by 85% of fans in a poll of supporters.Nearly 12,000 Hammers fans took part in the survey conducted by independent pollsters SMG YouGov.
nobody was forced.Those that supported the move did not actively pursue a move, that was the Club not the supporters - you're rewriting both what you said and history too! That poll was done once the decision had already been made the decision wasn't based on the Poll. Even Sullivan himself said that half of the supporters probably don't want to move. The poll was always going to be worded to bend the result as all polls issued by the Club.Nearly nine out of 10 match-going West Ham United supporters oppose the club’s proposed move to the Olympic Stadium according to a supporters’ group. WHU’S VIEW? polled 2,431 fans before the club’s April home games against Birmingham City, Brighton and Hove Albion, and Hull City.The poll asked: “Based on all available information do you agree with West Ham United’s proposed move to the Olympic Stadium?” 13.4% said ‘Yes’, while 86.6% said ‘No’. The results have been sent to the London Legacy Development Corporation, Mayor’s Office, FA, DCMS, and West Ham.You could easily pull apart the scope of the poll and the source............ but its really not worth it.
Its pretty simple - If so many people were forced then where were the protests? where was the outrage? the boycott? none of it happened because most were happy for the club to move forward.
and all of this because you cannot admit that the analogy you posted up was a poor one. you carry on twisting yourself in knots instead of just admitting the analogy doesn't hold. Or you can carry on throwing at insults at anyone who disagrees with you. Take your pick.
i'm fairly confident that when i turn on the news tonight, or read the news online, nobody will be comparing Trumps plan for Gaza to West Ham moving to the olympic stadium.
BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑06 Feb 2025, 12:25goose wrote: ↑06 Feb 2025, 11:13BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑06 Feb 2025, 11:02Nobody was forced to move - jeez how can you say that. Oh yes I forgot for those that didn't want to move you can still go down to Upton Park to watch us at the Boleyn! When you say "We" you mean Gold, Sullivan and Brady - no supporters actively sort the move to the Bowl we wanted to stay where we were, some were resigned and clearly you were looking forward to it as I'm sure some others were liking the idea of a shiny new stadium.
Oh so you wanted the move yeah... great good for you! I know a lot of people who were dead against it. I think Soldo said he'd never go to another home match and I know others who have said the same. You know real fans of the the club and its history! Others though dead against it but still attend because we love West Ham wherever they play but it doesn't mean we were happy about it!
Poor analogy - clutching at straws yeah carry on mate thats the only phrase you've proved you do understand!!!Talk about re-writing history.
There were no protests about moving, nobody was forced to buy a season ticket at the new stadium. The club (as a whole inc the fans) chose to move. They actually did a survey and people wanted to move.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/22525290
"West Ham's relocation from Upton Park to the Olympic Stadium in Stratford has been backed by 85% of fans in a poll of supporters.Nearly 12,000 Hammers fans took part in the survey conducted by independent pollsters SMG YouGov.
nobody was forced.Those that supported the move did not actively pursue a move, that was the Club not the supporters - you're rewriting both what you said and history too! That poll was done once the decision had already been made the decision wasn't based on the Poll. Even Sullivan himself said that half of the supporters probably don't want to move. The poll was always going to be worded to bend the result as all polls issued by the Club.Nearly nine out of 10 match-going West Ham United supporters oppose the club’s proposed move to the Olympic Stadium according to a supporters’ group. WHU’S VIEW? polled 2,431 fans before the club’s April home games against Birmingham City, Brighton and Hove Albion, and Hull City.The poll asked: “Based on all available information do you agree with West Ham United’s proposed move to the Olympic Stadium?” 13.4% said ‘Yes’, while 86.6% said ‘No’. The results have been sent to the London Legacy Development Corporation, Mayor’s Office, FA, DCMS, and West Ham.
goose wrote: ↑06 Feb 2025, 11:13BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑06 Feb 2025, 11:02goose wrote: ↑06 Feb 2025, 09:34nobody was forced to move. we actively sought out the move and wanted it to happen.
remember all those protests during the last season at upton park? no me neither.
the only parallel in your 'analogy' is moving location. which makes it such a poor analogy. carry on clutching at those straws though.Nobody was forced to move - jeez how can you say that. Oh yes I forgot for those that didn't want to move you can still go down to Upton Park to watch us at the Boleyn! When you say "We" you mean Gold, Sullivan and Brady - no supporters actively sort the move to the Bowl we wanted to stay where we were, some were resigned and clearly you were looking forward to it as I'm sure some others were liking the idea of a shiny new stadium.
Oh so you wanted the move yeah... great good for you! I know a lot of people who were dead against it. I think Soldo said he'd never go to another home match and I know others who have said the same. You know real fans of the the club and its history! Others though dead against it but still attend because we love West Ham wherever they play but it doesn't mean we were happy about it!
Poor analogy - clutching at straws yeah carry on mate thats the only phrase you've proved you do understand!!!Talk about re-writing history.
There were no protests about moving, nobody was forced to buy a season ticket at the new stadium. The club (as a whole inc the fans) chose to move. They actually did a survey and people wanted to move.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/22525290
"West Ham's relocation from Upton Park to the Olympic Stadium in Stratford has been backed by 85% of fans in a poll of supporters.Nearly 12,000 Hammers fans took part in the survey conducted by independent pollsters SMG YouGov.
nobody was forced.
Jaan Kenbrovin" wrote: ↑06 Feb 2025, 00:38It’s not a theory it’s a fact. There is proof of censorship over Hunter Biden’s laptop, and Covid on social media. Politico have this week been proven to be funded by USAID and since the clamp down haven’t been able to pay their staff.
BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑06 Feb 2025, 11:02goose wrote: ↑06 Feb 2025, 09:34BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑06 Feb 2025, 09:23Literally everyone on here...
You still dont get it do you! Upton Park wasn't bombed was it ok we all get that yes agreed? But we were forcefully removed from our home against our will. You see what I did was I used our situation bringing it around to football and compared it (tongue in cheek) to Trumps offer.
It doesnt matter how Gaza or The Boleyn had been turned into a shithole it was about being moved against our will and how we reacted to it, obviously on a much smaller scale, to demonstrate how the Palestinians might feel about leaving their home. Even though their home has been bombed to fuck they still are furious at the thought of being forced out. We were annoyed at being forced out and our home wasnt even bombed it was just sold from underneath us!
It was about how we felt - shiny new stadium we should be pleased surely. No we dont want to move, but Green St is a shithole and the stadium is falling down No we still dont want to leave!
nobody was forced to move. we actively sought out the move and wanted it to happen.
remember all those protests during the last season at upton park? no me neither.
the only parallel in your 'analogy' is moving location. which makes it such a poor analogy. carry on clutching at those straws though.Nobody was forced to move - jeez how can you say that. Oh yes I forgot for those that didn't want to move you can still go down to Upton Park to watch us at the Boleyn! When you say "We" you mean Gold, Sullivan and Brady - no supporters actively sort the move to the Bowl we wanted to stay where we were, some were resigned and clearly you were looking forward to it as I'm sure some others were liking the idea of a shiny new stadium.
Oh so you wanted the move yeah... great good for you! I know a lot of people who were dead against it. I think Soldo said he'd never go to another home match and I know others who have said the same. You know real fans of the the club and its history! Others though dead against it but still attend because we love West Ham wherever they play but it doesn't mean we were happy about it!
Poor analogy - clutching at straws yeah carry on mate thats the only phrase you've proved you do understand!!!
goose wrote: ↑06 Feb 2025, 09:34BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑06 Feb 2025, 09:23goose wrote: ↑06 Feb 2025, 08:53 Billy this is one poster pointing out your analogy doesn’t work:
”He might have a point if West Ham fans invaded Spurs stadium, killed a load of people and took others hostage, as they want to wipe Spurs fans off the planet and claim their stadium is rightfully theirs.
Unless the analogy is that jealous Charlton fans are opposed to where Hamas get relocated?”
you even liked a post pointing out your analogy doesn’t work.
here’s another telling you your analogy doesn’t work:
”A better analogy would be if someone turfed you out of your home and blew it up then, after leaving you homeless for a year, generously offered you a delapidated prefab in Jaywick.”
let’s turn it around another way, did anyone say “that’s an accurate and reasonable analogy”??
You still dont get it do you! Upton Park wasn't bombed was it ok we all get that yes agreed? But we were forcefully removed from our home against our will. You see what I did was I used our situation bringing it around to football and compared it (tongue in cheek) to Trumps offer.
It doesnt matter how Gaza or The Boleyn had been turned into a shithole it was about being moved against our will and how we reacted to it, obviously on a much smaller scale, to demonstrate how the Palestinians might feel about leaving their home. Even though their home has been bombed to fuck they still are furious at the thought of being forced out. We were annoyed at being forced out and our home wasnt even bombed it was just sold from underneath us!
It was about how we felt - shiny new stadium we should be pleased surely. No we dont want to move, but Green St is a shithole and the stadium is falling down No we still dont want to leave!
nobody was forced to move. we actively sought out the move and wanted it to happen.
remember all those protests during the last season at upton park? no me neither.
the only parallel in your 'analogy' is moving location. which makes it such a poor analogy. carry on clutching at those straws though.
BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑06 Feb 2025, 09:23goose wrote: ↑06 Feb 2025, 08:53 Billy this is one poster pointing out your analogy doesn’t work:
”He might have a point if West Ham fans invaded Spurs stadium, killed a load of people and took others hostage, as they want to wipe Spurs fans off the planet and claim their stadium is rightfully theirs.
Unless the analogy is that jealous Charlton fans are opposed to where Hamas get relocated?”
you even liked a post pointing out your analogy doesn’t work.
here’s another telling you your analogy doesn’t work:
”A better analogy would be if someone turfed you out of your home and blew it up then, after leaving you homeless for a year, generously offered you a delapidated prefab in Jaywick.”
let’s turn it around another way, did anyone say “that’s an accurate and reasonable analogy”??
You still dont get it do you! Upton Park wasn't bombed was it ok we all get that yes agreed? But we were forcefully removed from our home against our will. You see what I did was I used our situation bringing it around to football and compared it (tongue in cheek) to Trumps offer.
It doesnt matter how Gaza or The Boleyn had been turned into a shithole it was about being moved against our will and how we reacted to it, obviously on a much smaller scale, to demonstrate how the Palestinians might feel about leaving their home. Even though their home has been bombed to fuck they still are furious at the thought of being forced out. We were annoyed at being forced out and our home wasnt even bombed it was just sold from underneath us!
It was about how we felt - shiny new stadium we should be pleased surely. No we dont want to move, but Green St is a shithole and the stadium is falling down No we still dont want to leave!
goose wrote: ↑06 Feb 2025, 08:53 Billy this is one poster pointing out your analogy doesn’t work:
”He might have a point if West Ham fans invaded Spurs stadium, killed a load of people and took others hostage, as they want to wipe Spurs fans off the planet and claim their stadium is rightfully theirs.
Unless the analogy is that jealous Charlton fans are opposed to where Hamas get relocated?”
you even liked a post pointing out your analogy doesn’t work.
here’s another telling you your analogy doesn’t work:
”A better analogy would be if someone turfed you out of your home and blew it up then, after leaving you homeless for a year, generously offered you a delapidated prefab in Jaywick.”
let’s turn it around another way, did anyone say “that’s an accurate and reasonable analogy”??
Literally everyone on here...goose wrote: ↑06 Feb 2025, 07:06BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑05 Feb 2025, 23:05There doesnt have to be an exact similarity on every fucking level otherwise it would be exactly the same.
How analogies workAnalogies compare two things that are otherwise unlike.They are based on the idea that if two things are similar in some ways, they may be similar in other ways.Analogies can be used to help people understand abstract concepts by comparing them to something more concrete.
The analogy and the point I was making wasnt about your homeland being bombed it was about being forcefully moved against your will to a new home, slightly tongue in cheek I admit, comparing it to our move to the London Stadium.
Do you get it yet? No I didnt think so a bit too much for your timy little brain to comprehend. Even if you did understand now you are to embarrassed to admit it.Hahaha yeh you’re definitely proving yourself to be waaaaaay smarter than me here.
As pointed out to you by literally everyone on here, your analogy doesn’t work. Instead of admitting that you’re throwing around insults and desperately clutching at straws to make it relevant. Like I said, you carry on making yourself look ‘clever’.
Now you dont understand what literally means! ffs Goose how thick do you want to look! 
No one except you has said it doesnt work but then you didnt understand the concept and Im guessing you still dont. 
Nutsin wrote: ↑05 Feb 2025, 23:56BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑05 Feb 2025, 23:34Nutsin wrote: ↑05 Feb 2025, 23:18First off the only reason the place is in rubble is because Hamas attacked Israel, let’s remember that shall we.
The place is in ruins, who’s gonna rebuild the fucking shit hole?
Obviously you don’t want the U S, so who Billy?
Howling do you want these people to suffer ffs?
Personally I don’t give a shit, I know one thing the US tax payer ain’t gonna pay for the rebuild, so who Billy?Oh so now you dont want them to suffer having bombed them to oblivion. Thats kind of you.
If you'd actually read what I said resettling the Palestians is not a new or stupid idea. Yes Gaza has been levelled and the ordinary Palestinian should not be living in the rubble of a warzone, nobody should. So offer to resettle them temporarily and rebuild Gaza using the funds from the rich arab states and the US and make Isreal pay reparations. But suggesting that the USA should own Gaza in a land grab force all Palestinians to leave and then to turn it into a billionaires playground of condos probably developed and owned by Trump and his cronies is frankly insulting to all Arabs and can only be an attempt by Trump to get someone else to come up with a more palatable compromise because it is the most ridiculous of suggestions!
Hey I hope thats the outcome and maybe this is just a distraction from the utter chaos of his first 2 weeks in power.
Hey look over there... !!!!!!!!!!So Trump so far is the only one who has come up with a possible solution, while everyone else is sitting on their hands as per. Doesn’t seem like the countries surrounding them care too much to help and Lebanon is 60 % Palestinian apparently, what does that tell you?
Trump, if nothing else has laid the table, now let’s see how much the other Arab nations care to invest in Hamas. I think you’ll find it will probably be the Iranians, only problem is, they’re about to go broke.
personally I think Trump said the U S will take over Gaza to trigger the other nations to finally step up. One tac tic Trump always uses is positioning, he always sets any negotiations up with strong positioning. This is no different.
As I’ve said Hamas attacked Israel, they fucked around and found out, Israel has every right to protect itself and its citizens. So fuck knows why you’d expect Israel to pay a penny towards any rebuild.
Trump has made it clear the U S is no longer gonna be involved in nation rebuilding at the expense of the U S tax payer, so let’s wait and see what happens.
in the mean time we can all sit back and watch them live like rats in the rubble. Let them wallow in prolonged misery and disease, perhaps they’ll think twice next time.
Although if you have nothing to lose then the chances of it happening again will be much higher so not sure that’s the best option.
But it is their rubble so good for them.
And Rubble is what they asked for how fucking stupid.
BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑05 Feb 2025, 23:05goose wrote: ↑05 Feb 2025, 21:42BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑05 Feb 2025, 21:05You completely miss the point .... and clearly dont understand the concept of an analogy. The use of an analogy is not to exactly replicate the scenario (that wouldn't be an analogy would it) its to make the scenario simpler to understand for the stupid among us.An analogy is a comparison between two things to show how they are similar.
There’s no similarity or parallel between Gaza and West Ham moving stadiums. That’s the point. But you carry on grasping for some of you wish.There doesnt have to be an exact similarity on every fucking level otherwise it would be exactly the same.
How analogies workAnalogies compare two things that are otherwise unlike.They are based on the idea that if two things are similar in some ways, they may be similar in other ways.Analogies can be used to help people understand abstract concepts by comparing them to something more concrete.
The analogy and the point I was making wasnt about your homeland being bombed it was about being forcefully moved against your will to a new home, slightly tongue in cheek I admit, comparing it to our move to the London Stadium.
Do you get it yet? No I didnt think so a bit too much for your timy little brain to comprehend. Even if you did understand now you are to embarrassed to admit it.
XKhammer wrote: ↑06 Feb 2025, 00:16Jaan Kenbrovin" wrote: ↑05 Feb 2025, 23:36 It’s truly shocking seeing people supporting a state that have an ideological superiority complex and a desire to destroy all Jews, accusing those not in support of them as Nazi’s.
The same people that want to save democracy by rigging it in their favour, through ‘independent’ agencies using government funds to discretely pay for media channels to promote their propaganda, and have official agencies secretly push for censorship of any media that opposes their agenda.
The first paragraph l tend to agree with
The second l dont as comes across as paranoia of a conspiracy theorist loon
XKhammer wrote: ↑06 Feb 2025, 00:16Jaan Kenbrovin" wrote: ↑05 Feb 2025, 23:36 It’s truly shocking seeing people supporting a state that have an ideological superiority complex and a desire to destroy all Jews, accusing those not in support of them as Nazi’s.
The same people that want to save democracy by rigging it in their favour, through ‘independent’ agencies using government funds to discretely pay for media channels to promote their propaganda, and have official agencies secretly push for censorship of any media that opposes their agenda.
The first paragraph l tend to agree with
The second l dont as comes across as paranoia of a conspiracy theorist loon
Jaan Kenbrovin" wrote: ↑05 Feb 2025, 23:36 It’s truly shocking seeing people supporting a state that have an ideological superiority complex and a desire to destroy all Jews, accusing those not in support of them as Nazi’s.
The same people that want to save democracy by rigging it in their favour, through ‘independent’ agencies using government funds to discretely pay for media channels to promote their propaganda, and have official agencies secretly push for censorship of any media that opposes their agenda.
BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑05 Feb 2025, 23:34Nutsin wrote: ↑05 Feb 2025, 23:18BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑05 Feb 2025, 22:59So you justify this land grab because the Isrealis have levelled their homeland. Wow that is great logic bomb the fuck out of them means they should leave their homeland!
I appreciate that is exactly what Isreal wants to happen now but dont you understand thats exactly why the Palestinians wont leave because they will never get their homes or their land back if they do. Unlike you that fucked off to be a redneck dork in the good ole US of A, they treasure their homeland however much its been bombed to oblivion.
You are happy for the Isrealis to recommence the genocide and to boot the Palestinians out of Gaza then out of the West Bank. Is that the end game you are looking forward to? But you do realise that wont end it even if upur wildest dreams did come true - it would start all over again. But as I keep saying it wont happen.
First off the only reason the place is in rubble is because Hamas attacked Israel, let’s remember that shall we.
The place is in ruins, who’s gonna rebuild the fucking shit hole?
Obviously you don’t want the U S, so who Billy?
Howling do you want these people to suffer ffs?
Personally I don’t give a shit, I know one thing the US tax payer ain’t gonna pay for the rebuild, so who Billy?Oh so now you dont want them to suffer having bombed them to oblivion. Thats kind of you.
If you'd actually read what I said resettling the Palestians is not a new or stupid idea. Yes Gaza has been levelled and the ordinary Palestinian should not be living in the rubble of a warzone, nobody should. So offer to resettle them temporarily and rebuild Gaza using the funds from the rich arab states and the US and make Isreal pay reparations. But suggesting that the USA should own Gaza in a land grab force all Palestinians to leave and then to turn it into a billionaires playground of condos probably developed and owned by Trump and his cronies is frankly insulting to all Arabs and can only be an attempt by Trump to get someone else to come up with a more palatable compromise because it is the most ridiculous of suggestions!
Hey I hope thats the outcome and maybe this is just a distraction from the utter chaos of his first 2 weeks in power.
Hey look over there... !!!!!!!!!!
Nutsin wrote: ↑05 Feb 2025, 23:18BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑05 Feb 2025, 22:59Nutsin wrote: ↑05 Feb 2025, 21:22Oh so you’re an advocate of letting them remain in the Stone Age. Got it. Very good Billy’
I wonder what Jordan and Egypt will do when they have a migrant crisis? Wonder if they will step up or will they tell the Palestinians sorry too bad we
dont have the money to burn in rebuilding your war zone.
Sommer you realize that Israel is going nowhere the better Billy. You obviously live in denial.So you justify this land grab because the Isrealis have levelled their homeland. Wow that is great logic bomb the fuck out of them means they should leave their homeland!
I appreciate that is exactly what Isreal wants to happen now but dont you understand thats exactly why the Palestinians wont leave because they will never get their homes or their land back if they do. Unlike you that fucked off to be a redneck dork in the good ole US of A, they treasure their homeland however much its been bombed to oblivion.
You are happy for the Isrealis to recommence the genocide and to boot the Palestinians out of Gaza then out of the West Bank. Is that the end game you are looking forward to? But you do realise that wont end it even if upur wildest dreams did come true - it would start all over again. But as I keep saying it wont happen.
First off the only reason the place is in rubble is because Hamas attacked Israel, let’s remember that shall we.
The place is in ruins, who’s gonna rebuild the fucking shit hole?
Obviously you don’t want the U S, so who Billy?
Howling do you want these people to suffer ffs?
Personally I don’t give a shit, I know one thing the US tax payer ain’t gonna pay for the rebuild, so who Billy?
BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑05 Feb 2025, 22:59Nutsin wrote: ↑05 Feb 2025, 21:22BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑05 Feb 2025, 20:55Let me assure you redneck that this will never happen. It would require the agreement of the Arab States and no one in that region wants it, so unless Trump unilaterally enters Gaza, which will be an illegal move, its dead in the water.
You really have no idea about world politics do you. Congratulations you are now a fully fledged American idiot!
You talk of corruption you dont think all this effort by Trump wont end up with him lining his pockets. If Biden is found to be corrupt, which I would doubt any truth coming out of the US right now, at least Biden had the grace to hide it instead of waving it in the faces of the US nation.Oh so you’re an advocate of letting them remain in the Stone Age. Got it. Very good Billy’
I wonder what Jordan and Egypt will do when they have a migrant crisis? Wonder if they will step up or will they tell the Palestinians sorry too bad we
dont have the money to burn in rebuilding your war zone.
Sommer you realize that Israel is going nowhere the better Billy. You obviously live in denial.So you justify this land grab because the Isrealis have levelled their homeland. Wow that is great logic bomb the fuck out of them means they should leave their homeland!
I appreciate that is exactly what Isreal wants to happen now but dont you understand thats exactly why the Palestinians wont leave because they will never get their homes or their land back if they do. Unlike you that fucked off to be a redneck dork in the good ole US of A, they treasure their homeland however much its been bombed to oblivion.
You are happy for the Isrealis to recommence the genocide and to boot the Palestinians out of Gaza then out of the West Bank. Is that the end game you are looking forward to? But you do realise that wont end it even if upur wildest dreams did come true - it would start all over again. But as I keep saying it wont happen.