"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Dec 2024, 23:01
by southbankbornnbred
Jets now just playing out time this season.
Rodgers was hopeless again against the Rams and got hurt again.
He looks 40. Going on 50. It’s time to cut him in January - and for him to end his otherwise-superb career. Playing in front of that line, which can’t block, as a 40-year-old is just asking for trouble.
After the Woody-Douglas-Saleh-Hackett-Rodgers empire built on sand, it’s time to rip it all up and start again.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Dec 2024, 21:55
by RBshorty
Atlanta do the deed and put us to the sword. So now it’s. Come on the Jags.
GO G MEN.!
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Dec 2024, 21:48
by zebthecat
Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑22 Dec 2024, 21:27
great win, in spite of all the mistakes. daniels superb again
That was a fantastic game and some ride.
Jayden Daniels is the real thing.
Cowboys and 49ers gone from the play-offs already.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Dec 2024, 21:27
by Takashi Miike
great win, in spite of all the mistakes. daniels superb again
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Dec 2024, 09:29
by southbankbornnbred
So, I think they have to know off the bat who the GM, HC, OC will be.
See the three of them as a joint brains trust.
They went all in on Saleh, but without thinking through the rest of it. That ended with Rodgers (not Saleh’s choice) picking his own OC (not Saleh’s choice). That did not help an inexperienced head coach.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Dec 2024, 09:25
by southbankbornnbred
Vrabel wouldn’t be the worst appointment for us. Could think of worse, given who’s likely to be available at the end of the season.
But of the two, I’d probably opt for Aaron Glenn. He’s got the Jets in his veins and some fire.
With either man (both defensive specialists), the GM and OC will be crucial. I think the HC job needs to seen as part of a bigger coaching/drafting group. That was the problem with Saleh: he was an excellent DC, but (in fairness to him) they just appointed him as HC and left him to his own devices. Didn’t really join up his team - it was all a bit disjointed.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Dec 2024, 09:17
by southbankbornnbred
Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑22 Dec 2024, 09:10
SB, a coach I listen to (and he doesn't get everything right) reckons vrabel is lined up for the Jets job
Hey TM,
Yeah, I’m hearing this one quite a bit. The two most commonly linked names are him and Aaron Glenn.
Vrabel certainly started well at Tennessee, before falling away. If he gets the job, the appointment of GM and OC will be become really important.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Dec 2024, 09:10
by Takashi Miike
SB, a coach I listen to (and he doesn't get everything right) reckons vrabel is lined up for the Jets job
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 20 Dec 2024, 20:53
by Takashi Miike
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 20 Dec 2024, 15:25
by Joe C
Far Cough UKunt" wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 07:21
Got three tough games coming up, Seahawks away, Packers at home, and Lions away.
Geno has been a full participant in training, so I’m not all doom and gloom for Sunday now
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 20 Dec 2024, 15:24
by southbankbornnbred
Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑20 Dec 2024, 14:28
SB, I just don't see someone like Douglas, who no doubt was paid up when let go would start playing those sort of games. Especially when he'll want to get another chance in the league, this is coming from the locker room, coaching staff and leaked to the jets beat reporters. imagine how spoilt that johnson kid is? that's why, like sullivan, you need them fucking gone full stop as the thought of their brats stepping up next is beyond a nightmare. It's a blessing how well it's worked in washington, and it proves it can turn around even for the worst run franchises
Spot on - I think the recoveries shown by Washington and Detroit show that you can change bad cultures from top to bottom and then thrive. Although the least said about the Browns the better..!
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 20 Dec 2024, 14:28
by Takashi Miike
SB, I just don't see someone like Douglas, who no doubt was paid up when let go would start playing those sort of games. Especially when he'll want to get another chance in the league, this is coming from the locker room, coaching staff and leaked to the jets beat reporters. imagine how spoilt that johnson kid is? that's why, like sullivan, you need them fucking gone full stop as the thought of their brats stepping up next is beyond a nightmare. It's a blessing how well it's worked in washington, and it proves it can turn around even for the worst run franchises
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 20 Dec 2024, 13:43
by RBshorty
It’s a mess South.(And this from a Giants fan.!) The problem now is every crazy story that comes out puts everyone in the building on the back foot. The only good news for you. Is maybe this will force the other owners too get Woody to sell up.? The NFL probably felt they had got rid of this kind of shit show. When Synder left Washington.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 20 Dec 2024, 13:25
by southbankbornnbred
Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑20 Dec 2024, 11:48
I said at the time, firing Saleh would change nothing. You've possibly got much worse since he went. This benefit of the doubt stuff you keep giving to that disaster of an owner is weird, almost stockholm syndromesque. From someone that had a similar cսnt in charge of us for close to a quarter of a century, he's the biggest problem the Jets have ever had
Hey TM. Nah - I don't give Johnosn the benefit of the doubt: I think he's awful. We now have the worst stewardship of any NFL franchise. It's that simple.
But just because Woody is god-awful, doesn't mean that every story about a failure or problem at the Jets is true or that Johnson is the reason for it. Bad owners make bad appointments. So it stands to reason that at least some of the shit or crazy decisions etc will be down to people in senior positions below Johnson.
Douglas was a mixed bag: some good draft decisions, too many poor choices. He wants another crack at the NFL, I get it. So he's trying to clear his name a bit in the media.
Everybody wanted Saleh to work out as HC - and many people on here still hold a candle for him (those 49ers!) - but the fact is his basic coaching and in-game decision-making as HC was really poor. He's an excellent DC who was given more than three years to start making headway as HC (a big step up). But by the end he was getting worse. Truly awful basic coaching errors - the stuff Rex Ryan correctly picked out in his analysis.
Saleh has time to fix things. Pete Carroll was poor in his first big job and improved massively with time, dedication and experience. Same with Belichick. Saleh will be back in the NFL and will probably do well but he has things to work on.
Woody needs to sell up and move on. But that doesn't mean other people are exempt from criticism. It's like any manager who works under Sullivan. Sullivan being a crap owner doesn't make Moyes' final months, or Avram Grant, excusable.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 20 Dec 2024, 11:48
by Takashi Miike
I said at the time, firing Saleh would change nothing. You've possibly got much worse since he went. This benefit of the doubt stuff you keep giving to that disaster of an owner is weird, almost stockholm syndromesque. From someone that had a similar cսnt in charge of us for close to a quarter of a century, he's the biggest problem the Jets have ever had
RBshorty wrote: ↑19 Dec 2024, 23:59
News coming out of Jets land. Woody Johnson nixed a trade for Jerry Jeudy last offseason because his 17 year old grandson told him. That the player rating on Madden was too low.! This is what it must be like in the Sullivan household.? Just when I thought the Giants took the title of worse run outfit in New York.
GO G MEN.
Much as I want this story to be entirely true - because the Jets absolutely are the worst-run outfit in the NFL - I fear there's a bit of shitehousing going on here, on the part of Joe Douglas.
Douglas got sacked by Woody (who is batshit), and has a gripe. I'm sure Johnson mentioned Madden ratings with Douglas when discussing players - most likely as an aside or smaller detail, because he wants young fans to recognise and covet the players he signs (so they buy more shirts/merch etc). But I doubt even Woody would make or break a deal over a player based on that. Even in his own telling of this tale, Douglas later admits that Johnson also raised another players' poor Madden rating during a discussion - and Douglas went on to sign that player anyway.
And there's the big clue: Douglas generally could sign whichever players he wanted, within the salary cap. Johnson's interference didn't really stretch that far - beyond insisting they went all in on Aaron Rodgers (that was his big idea for a Super Bowl run!). Beyond that, Douglas and Saleh had a lot of freedom to sign players. It would most likely have been Douglas, Saleh or Hackett who went cold on Jerry Jeudy. Unless Woody had $$$ concerns.
The Madden stuff is just Douglas shithousery. And I say that as somebody who thought Douglas was an "ok" GM and who wants Woody to sell up and move on.
After Douglas admitted he signed the second player whose Madden rating was discussed, the journalist should have just asked: "So, that means you could have signed Jerry Jeudy, too?"
What's the GM of the 10th biggest club/franchise in global sport going to say in response? "No, because Woody's son had a computer game and didn't like him?"
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 20 Dec 2024, 10:31
by southbankbornnbred
RBshorty wrote: ↑19 Dec 2024, 23:59
News coming out of Jets land. Woody Johnson nixed a trade for Jerry Jeudy last offseason because his 17 year old grandson told him. That the player rating on Madden was too low.! This is what it must be like in the Sullivan household.? Just when I thought the Giants took the title of worse run outfit in New York.
GO G MEN.
Much as I want this story to be entirely true - because the Jets absolutely are the worst-run outfit in the NFL - I fear there's a bit of shitehousing going on here, on the part of Joe Douglas.
Douglas got sacked by Woody (who is batshit), and has a gripe. I'm sure Johnson mentioned Madden ratings with Douglas when discussing players - most likely as an aside or smaller detail, because he wants young fans to recognise and covet the players he signs (so they buy more shirts/merch etc). But I doubt even Woody would make or break a deal over a player based on that. Even in his own telling of this tale, Douglas later admits that Johnson also raised another players' poor Madden rating during a discussion - and Douglas went on to sign that player anyway.
And there's the big clue: Douglas generally could sign whichever players he wanted, within the salary cap. Johnson's interference didn't really stretch that far - beyond insisting they went all in on Aaron Rodgers (that was his big idea for a Super Bowl run!). Beyond that, Douglas and Saleh had a lot of freedom to sign players. It would most likely have been Douglas, Saleh or Hackett who went cold on Jerry Jeudy. Unless Woody had $$$ concerns.
The Madden stuff is just Douglas shithousery. And I say that as somebody who thought Douglas was an "ok" GM and who wants Woody to sell up and move on.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 19 Dec 2024, 23:59
by RBshorty
News coming out of Jets land. Woody Johnson nixed a trade for Jerry Jeudy last offseason because his 17 year old grandson told him. That the player rating on Madden was too low.! This is what it must be like in the Sullivan household.? Just when I thought the Giants took the title of worse run outfit in New York.
GO G MEN.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 18 Dec 2024, 07:21
by Far Cough UKunt
Got three tough games coming up, Seahawks away, Packers at home, and Lions away.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 17 Dec 2024, 19:59
by RBshorty
Talking about lively characters. Christian Bale has just joined the cast of Madden. As Al Davis.! And too top that you have Nic Cage as John Madden.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 17 Dec 2024, 19:42
by Far Cough UKunt
Ah good old Teddy. I've got a Vikings jersey which I bought when the Vikings played the Browns at Twickenham, I really wanted John Randle's name on it but all they had was Bridgewater's name.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 17 Dec 2024, 19:32
by Takashi Miike
Far Cough UKunt" wrote: ↑17 Dec 2024, 18:56
Both of those QBs you have mentioned Warren Moon and Randall Cunningham, ended up on the Minnesota Vikings QB merry go round along with Jim McMahon and Brett Favre.
one of your old QBs, Teddy Bridgewater, just won a state title in his first season as a head coach with his old high school, Miami Northwestern
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 17 Dec 2024, 19:26
by Far Cough UKunt
Cunningham had a decent career at the Vikings, I mean he had Chris Carter, Jake Reed and a young Randy Moss to throw to. He put up some good numbers with the Vikes.
We seemed to have good luck with receivers over the years.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 17 Dec 2024, 19:01
by southbankbornnbred
Far Cough UKunt" wrote: ↑17 Dec 2024, 18:56
Both of those QBs you have mentioned Warren Moon and Randall Cunningham, ended up on the Minnesota Vikings QB merry go round along with Jim McMahon and Brett Favre.
Both excellent QBs in their prime. Not sure the Vikes saw their prime years, though. Moon started well for you, didn't he? But then got some bad injuries IIRC.
Cunningham in his pomp at the Eagles was just pure entertainment. Like he was made of rubber. Today's HCs/OCs would have a heart attack if he ran the ball, or left the pocket, as often as he did back then. But that made it all the more un-missable..
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 17 Dec 2024, 18:56
by Far Cough UKunt
Both of those QBs you have mentioned Warren Moon and Randall Cunningham, ended up on the Minnesota Vikings QB merry go round along with Jim McMahon and Brett Favre.