Hamas attack Israel

[claret on my shirt]

"Or should i say they are attacking to get THEIR land back. Good luck to them. The World will watch and do nothing to help them as they always do, shame on us."

[RootsRadical]

"Is Britain surrounded by Islamist extremists and their proxies who are trying to wipe them out? Hamas have demonstrated what they are capable of and would no doubt do worse if they could. Say they got their hands on some very destructive bombs, do you think they wouldn't hesitate to use them, should Israel just let this happen because a load of detached snowflakes sitting in the West behind their keyboards might be upset if they take action to prevent it. Can you tell us what choice Israel has?"

[RootsRadical]

"Because the accusation is based on civillians dying as they always do in any war since WW2. Do you have any idea how many might actually be Hamas and their mates, or those killed because Hamas based themselves amongst them, according to the Hamas Health ministry it's none. No one seems to be mentioning this though."

[WHU(Exeter)]

"And however evil Hamas are (which they are), I don’t like it when a country like ours is held up with this and the argument put forward that we should always back Israel because they are like us. As far as I’m aware Britain is not currently occupying lands illegally and bullying and killing the likes of shepherds. Nor is it acceptable in Britain for the army to deliberately blow the head off of a journalist. Or shoot children dead. They are NOTHING like us."

[WHU(Exeter)]

"I agree with you Lee. I’d only disagree with the word ‘side’ and say that I don’t personally believe that the 2 million people living in Gaza all do want us dead. The extremists, certainly. And I hate them. But I also hate a number of people currently sitting in the Israeli government, who I think are pure evil too."

[Lee Trundle]

"I'm probably a massive RACSIT for saying this, but I find it extremely difficult to have any sympathy for any side that wants me, or the likes of you, Ex, dead."

[WHU(Exeter)]

"“People dying in a war does not automatically = Genocide, especially”…no, you’re right, of course it doesn’t. That would be stupid, then again not aware that anybody has said that, so not sure why you’ve mentioned it?"

[WHU(Exeter)]

"It’s not a dumb analogy at all. It was you who started using the amount of people killed and the rapidity of time in which they were killed and also called it THE genocide. Just because less people have been killed and over a longer timescale, doesn’t automatically mean that this isn’t genocide. Using your post, the dictionary definition of genocide would just be “What happened in Rwanda”. Lee, yeah, that would be too."

[Lee Trundle]

"Death to all non-believers is a bit genocidal, isn't it?"

[RootsRadical]

"Dumb analogy Ex. An apple is an apple. Genocide is a highly emotive term and a serious allegation that has to be proven. Bandying the term around in the frivolous and subjective manner that you, pro Palestinians & Hamas do only reveals the true agenda, you all need and want there to be a Genocide to back up your narrative & rhetoric which is ""look how evil Israel is"" People dying in a war does not automatically = Genocide, especially when you consider that Hamas started the war and are hiding amongst civilians wanting and causing them to die."

[WHU(Exeter)]

"“but then I don't want Ukraine doing the dirty work of the yanks” Or that of the German centric EU. Roots, you do realise genocide isn’t a competition yeah? Using your logic, I have an Apple….it can’t be an Apple though, as once there was a bigger Apple?"

[WHU(Exeter)]

"“but then I don't want Ukraine doing the dirty work of the yanks” Or that of the German centric EU. Roots, you do realise genocide isn’t a competition yeah? Using your logic, I have an Apple….it can’t be an Apple though, as once there was a bigger Apple?"

[Hammer and Pickle]

A highly commendable sentiment though I doubt I agree with the argument that doing the yanks dirty work includes getting invaded by Russia

[only1billybonds]

"No fourpence, I don't want Russia to win but then I don't want Ukraine doing the dirty work of the yanks. Ideally, I'd like too see people not dying needlessly but that isn't how war works is it."

[Hammer and Pickle]

No wonder that popular scheme to send the boat people to Rwanda is working out so well in the courts.

[RootsRadical]

"The real Genocide in Rwanda killed 600k in just 100 days, that's 20 x as many in less than half the time, in a less confined space using unsophisticated weaponry. It also still hasn't been confirmed how many of the Hamas Health Ministry's death toll are Hamas fighters and associates.l as Hamas count everyone as an ""innocent civilian"" Israel could have killed a lot more if that was it's aim, so I guess the Israelis must be really bad at Genocide."

[Mike Oxsaw]

"""So how are we getting on with our stated war aims?"" I don't have any war aims, stated or otherwise. You need to identify someone with such aims and ask them. ""Has Hamas been eradicated?"" Probably best if you pop over there and see for yourself. Horses mouth and all that. ""Do Palestinians no longer want to destroy Israel?"" Better ask the Palestinians; they're more likely to have a better idea than most. Have the hostages been released and are they safe back home? ""Again, go ask those who took the hostages - should be easy for you what with being physically closer to the impacted area than all other posters put together. ""Is the danger of terrorist attack and new hostages being taken now back at normal levels?"" You need to ask the relevant authorities. It's their job and not that of a few football fans to know the answers to such questions. I assume you've no fear of the authorities. ""Does Douglas Murray have the answers to these questions and are they truths this great man is not afraid to say?"" Guess you'll only ever know through research of his work without a conditional bias. Are you unable to navigate to the official sites containing the answers you seek? Fucking good education that turned out to be."

[Hammer and Pickle]

Most of Gaza is now rubble. Hundreds of thousands have no home or anything resembling a normal life. Thousands have been killed. So how are we getting on with our stated war aims? Has Hamas been eradicated? Do Palestinians no longer want to destroy Israel? Have the hostages been released and are they safe back home? Is the danger of terrorist attack and new hostages being taken now back at normal levels? Does Douglas Murray have the answers to these questions and are they truths this great man is not afraid to say?

[Dwight Van Mann]

Once the Gregory Peck awakes from his boozy slumber he could watch this if his alcohol addled brain can't read the book... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DeQXHc-tJMXM&ved=2ahUKEwigz_rlvLmFAxUfWkEAHfhpBH8QwqsBegQIDRAF&usg=AOvVaw2VPy-hU87bV9CXlwlO6adq

[Texas Iron]

https://www.cnn.com/gaza-israel-big-bombs/index.html Israelis excessive bombing in Gaza… Deliberate Overkill with little care for collateral damage Clearly intent on mass destruction and leveling of infrastructure and all forms of life… Hardly targeted strikes…

[Mike Oxsaw]

"One issue is that most or all those currently living in/supporting the Palestinians there weren't even a twinkle in the Iman's eye when Israel was formed - but it's all they've known; it's certainly been a source of work/income for some of them until someone goes off on one ""on their behalf"", depriving them, as now, of even a basic existence. Certain members of the Israel administration down the time simce Israel has existed have not been angels and I despair in particular with the continuing settlements in the West Bank which are a totally 100% internal problem that Israel can solve, should it so chose, without outside help. ""Tit-for-Tat, they started it!"" politics over Gaza/Hamas has no place here, yet that is what many on this site seem to clamour for in their search for a world that is peaceful for them in their country (and fuck everybody else)."

[RootsRadical]

"""sponsored pan-generational hissy fit"" ?ü§£ Indeed, you are spot on. I've given up arguing with all these sheep on social media, there's too many of them and they're very noisy. I just state the facts to annoy them, barely ever get a reply because the facts shatter their narrative and they are too stupid and detached from the reality to understand. When I do get a reply it straight from the Islamist anti ""Zionist"" rhetoric manual. Oct 7th was clearly planned to get the response from Israel it has, they want dead civilians as it's great propaganda against Israel, their PR machine has certainly gone into overdrive since, quite clever really. My biggest disappointment is that Israel took the bait, just wish it had taken a more measured response which they are capable of, like more under cover special ops type attacks, but not sure if that would have worked or been quick enough as Hamas is pretty embedded in the people who mainly support them, so I guess they just thought fuck it what choice do we have. They have tried to target their attacks, no one knows how many Hamas they have killed and captured, but from what I've seen and heard it's something like 10k-15k. Mostly dead."

[Mike Oxsaw]

"RootsRadical 12:30 Thu Apr 11 From that, the best you'll get from the ""educated and informed"" on here is a load of fingers stuck in ears and the shouting of ""La! La! La!"" - the loudest of which from those considering themselves the more intelligent posters. As you say, the Jews went to Israel and made it work. The best the non-Jewish inhabitants in the region could muster up in that time was a sponsored pan-generational hissy fit. I think the underlying question here is ""How long will those calling themselves Palestinians - in Gaza and elsewhere - take to work out they're being used as cannon fodder by other nations who are too scared/smart to get directly involved with Israel and risk their own people's lives?"""

[RootsRadical]

"Pro Palestinian supporters know nothing about the history of this conflict and the so called Palestinians.They've been brainwashed with Islamist rhetoric. Don't forget they were protesting just days after Oct 7th whilst Israel was still burying its dead and discovering the full extent of what had happened. Many around the world and in Gaza were also celebrating the attack on the day it happened, and many Gazans were involved in it. To sum up it up, Palestinian Arabs started the killing and massacres in 1920 with attacks on Jewish Palestinians that have never stopped. They start wars, lose and then play the victim, rinse & repeat. Most of them are not indigenous as they claim and were immigrants from surrounding countries who flooded into Palestine at the same time most Jews did, due to the industrial revolution enabling mass movement of people and Jewish enterprise and Jewish agricultural advancement creating opportunities. There has never ever been a Palestinian state. They have been rejecting their own state since 1937 because the truth is the Islamists who call the shots will never accept Israel and want one state which = an Islamic state. The Palestinian movement, people and flag were created in 1964 by the Yasser Arafat and the PLO. During the British Mandate ere there were just Jews, Arabs and Christians, all could identify as Palestinian, and UNRA Palestinian refugee stays applies to anyone living there on the day Israel declared itself. They are the only refugees in the world where the many generations born since 1948 have refugee status, despite the fact that the vast majority of them have never set foot in Israel they are still refugees, there are now millions of them from an intial 750k who were displaced in 1948 due to the war started by the Arab League. They are kept as perpetual refugees for political reasons. Palestine orJerusalem is not mentioned in the Koran even once, yet Israel is mentioned over 40 times They are like the travelling community, wherever they go they cause trouble for their hosts, just ask the Jordanians and Lebanese how they tried to destabilise those countries. The Arabs and different Islamist and Palestinian groups can't even agree amongst themselves, so how the fuck are they ever going to create their own state and build anything worthwhile as Israel has. All they've done, or rather their Islamist masters have done is make everything much worse for the ordinary people they claim to represent. They've started wars and conflict which has cost them more land each time and keeps the people in a state of suffering and insecurity. Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, it dragged the settlers out kicking and screaming and demolished the settlements, even left some infrastructure for the Gazans. What did they do? They destroyed it, elected Hamas and started more wars by kidnapping IDF soldiers and launching rockets indiscriminately at Israel I support them having their own state by the way, and am pretty sure the majority of Israelis do too and would even help them build it. I also hate Netanyahu by the way, always have, but he hasn't always been around and won't be for much longer."

[Dwight Van Mann]

"Mike, clearly Hamas has watched the interview a probably some more Douglas Murray stuff. He's now in a very emotional position of guilt, anger and denial. He knows what Murray says is mostly demonstrably true - it's shattered his world view and he knows he doesn't have the intellect to counter his points. It's why tonight he tried to make light how he uses a halal butcher - in fucking Poland"

[Mike Oxsaw]

"seems like one particular poster is trying to ""intellectually"" position themselves above their fellow posters rather than research and debate what is being discussed...hic!"