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I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season

Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit

We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge

But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask

Succession planning Claypole as you say. Every and any organisation that wants to be successful over time does this. They also have a long term strategy, vision and recruit their execs and staff to align with it. A club implements this on the pitch with a recognisible style from youth to first teams, develops young players who seamlessly step up through each team as they progress as they unserstand the style, tactics already.  Recruitment is driven by data analytics and rigorous research but driven by the requirements of the aforementioned strategy and playing philosophy.

We have Sullivan who only last season or so was forced to bring in Steidten and an analyst team by other board members who witnessed the huge loss we made on players. But there was no strategy, vision or leadership.

instead a cowardly little owner trying his utmost to make it look like it was everyone but himself that caused problems. 

claypole wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 09:48 Whats all the 6 month contract bollocks about? If he isnt the right man in 6 months he isnt the right man now.

The better run clubs have a list of potential managers/coaches to appoint if needed.

This circus is 2 bob

Whats all the 6 month contract bollocks about? If he isnt the right man in 6 months he isnt the right man now.

The better run clubs have a list of potential managers/coaches to appoint if needed.

This circus is 2 bob

This situation will go on and on. Nothing much will happen anytime soon. Lop will be overseeing the games at Villa, stories of change afoot with Potter and Cooper etc will continue to abound.

Sullivan is a clueless amateur. Pure and simple. Always has been and always will be. But his overblown pride and ego ( life time of feeling small hence inadequate / not good enough ) , bloated by amassing substancial wealth, means he tells himself he knows best, no possibility of him being wrong despite evidence to the contrary.  Ignore experts, people with experience and listening to anyone that agrees with him, sychophants with self interest like football agents ( Salthouse, Silkman. Mackay ). 

He is very likely psychologically disordered and mentally ill. I mean, he has the wealth to indulge his every whim but who goes around dressing as a Russian dictator, having to buy wives via the porn industry etc. A grown man who’s self will can run riot.  His narcissism is on steroids. 

Hence we will lurch from one crisis to another. The time interval between each one will return back to how it was before getting a lucky 3 years by picking Moyes to save us and via COVID and Moyesball we got some success.  Not sustainable of course but success nonetheless.  

wils wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 09:18

only1billybonds wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 09:10 Regardless of results, style of play, team selection etc, the worse aspect of all this is just how fucking cheap and tacky we look as a club, totally lacking in class and ambition. I actually feel for the manager having to work under the owners, they have made his job untenable and couldn't blame him if he just walked and told them to stuff it.

Not once in the 59 years that I've followed this club have I felt ashamed to do so but right now I cant feel to proud either. Football aside, we are not far short of being a fucking disgrace!

I think this is why Terzic and many others aren't interested. Who would work for a prick like this?

I want Lop gone sooner rather than later, but this is a disgusting way to treat the man.

 

wils wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 09:18

only1billybonds wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 09:10 Regardless of results, style of play, team selection etc, the worse aspect of all this is just how fucking cheap and tacky we look as a club, totally lacking in class and ambition. I actually feel for the manager having to work under the owners, they have made his job untenable and couldn't blame him if he just walked and told them to stuff it.

Not once in the 59 years that I've followed this club have I felt ashamed to do so but right now I cant feel to proud either. Football aside, we are not far short of being a fucking disgrace!

I think this is why Terzic and many others aren't interested. Who would work for a prick like this?

I want Lop gone sooner rather than later, but this is a disgusting way to treat the man.

only1billybonds wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 09:10 Regardless of results, style of play, team selection etc, the worse aspect of all this is just how fucking cheap and tacky we look as a club, totally lacking in class and ambition. I actually feel for the manager having to work under the owners, they have made his job untenable and couldn't blame him if he just walked and told them to stuff it.

Not once in the 59 years that I've followed this club have I felt ashamed to do so but right now I cant feel to proud either. Football aside, we are not far short of being a fucking disgrace!

If Im Lopetegui there’s no way I am walking from this job. Fuck West Ham, I’d want my full payout.

I would also be tempted to do some crazy shit just to piss Sullivan off.

Regardless of results, style of play, team selection etc, the worse aspect of all this is just how fucking cheap and tacky we look as a club, totally lacking in class and ambition. I actually feel for the manager having to work under the owners, they have made his job untenable and couldn't blame him if he just walked and told them to stuff it.

Not once in the 59 years that I've followed this club have I felt ashamed to do so but right now I cant feel to proud either. Football aside, we are not far short of being a fucking disgrace!

I actually think playing this out in the public is Sullivan's warped thinking that Lopetegui will walk and the compensation will be less, I can't think of any other reason why a professional football club would act so shambolically in the full gaze of the public. It's fucking embarrassing 

I'd be okay with Potter, if not ecstatic. At least the squad will be able to understand what the fuck he's saying.
I'm not expecting us to climb up the table this season, but the bare minimum has to be a change in play style, install some cohesion and confidence, and get some leadership on the pitch.

It's not all about tactics though is it. Man management and players wanting to go the extra yard for a manager come into play. Most players seemed to have given up on Loppy, including some public fallouts. I can't see how Potter won't be at least an improvement and hopefully play some youngsters (if they're ready that is).

stubbo-admin wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 08:00 Major concern for me with Potter is he largely plays in a very similar way to JL, and so the same squad deficiencies will be equally highlighted.

Also has a habit of playing people out of position which our fans will give him short shrift for.

Major concern for me with Potter is he largely plays in a very similar way to JL, and so the same squad deficiencies will be equally highlighted.

Also has a habit of playing people out of position which our fans will give him short shrift for.

Yeah, Bilic was the one guy you could argue bucked that trend. I liked the fella. But even he was available (he’d already left Besiktas) and on Sulli’s “cheap” list.

It’s no way to run a club.

southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 07:23 The serious point about all of this, is that there is still very little serious consideration given to which managers to offer the West Ham job to under David Sullivan.

Lopetegui (who will now have to leave) was a terrible fit for this club, as were Pellegrini and Grant. Fat Sam did a job, but predictably never really enjoyed a good relationship with fans etc. Even Moyes coming back was a knee-jerk and unpopular move (although, like a stopped clock, it worked in a big way for three seasons).

Now we’ve gone fishing in a tiny pond - of managers available mid-season - once again.

We’re not a serious football club that makes considered and ambitious decisions about senior personnel. We’re a bunch of reactionary chancers who do it all on the cheap - and are forced to do it over and over again because that process is deeply flawed.

Serious question and I’m genuinely interested to hear what people think: when was the last considered or head-hunted appointment to the manager’s post at West Ham?

For my part, I think it was Pardew. More than 20 years ago. Even Curbs was a swift reaction to sacking Pardew. Zola was the Icelandics throwing dice.



 

southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 07:23 The serious point about all of this, is that there is still very little serious consideration given to which managers to offer the West Ham job to under David Sullivan.

Lopetegui (who will now have to leave) was a terrible fit for this club, as were Pellegrini and Grant. Fat Sam did a job, but predictably never really enjoyed a good relationship with fans etc. Even Moyes coming back was a knee-jerk and unpopular move (although, like a stopped clock, it worked in a big way for three seasons).

Now we’ve gone fishing in a tiny pond - of managers available mid-season - once again.

We’re not a serious football club that makes considered and ambitious decisions about senior personnel. We’re a bunch of reactionary chancers who do it all on the cheap - and are forced to do it over and over again because that process is deeply flawed.

Serious question and I’m genuinely interested to hear what people think: when was the last considered or head-hunted appointment to the manager’s post at West Ham?

For my part, I think it was Pardew. More than 20 years ago. Even Curbs was a swift reaction to sacking Pardew. Zola was the Icelandics throwing dice.



 

 

Blimey!

This is like a bird first finding out she's pregnant through reading the caption about herself and her behaviour under a picture from that Readers' Wives shoot she secretly did a few months ago.

The serious point about all of this, is that there is still very little serious consideration given to which managers to offer the West Ham job to under David Sullivan.

Lopetegui (who will now have to leave) was a terrible fit for this club, as were Pellegrini and Grant. Fat Sam did a job, but predictably never really enjoyed a good relationship with fans etc. Even Moyes coming back was a knee-jerk and unpopular move (although, like a stopped clock, it worked in a big way for three seasons).

Now we’ve gone fishing in a tiny pond - of managers available mid-season - once again.

We’re not a serious football club that makes considered and ambitious decisions about senior personnel. We’re a bunch of reactionary chancers who do it all on the cheap - and are forced to do it over and over again because that process is deeply flawed.

Serious question and I’m genuinely interested to hear what people think: when was the last considered or head-hunted appointment to the manager’s post at West Ham?

For my part, I think it was Pardew. More than 20 years ago. Even Curbs was a swift reaction to sacking Pardew. Zola was the Icelandics throwing dice.

 

I can't think of many managers coming in that I wouldn't be skeptical about these days. At least Potter plays good football, gives youth a chance (I think) and will be able to connect to him in pressers/interviews etc, so three ticks to be getting on with.

Far Cough UKunt" wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 07:05 Has the cսnt gone yet?

Has the cսnt gone yet?

Got up this morning and saw that Gordon Brown, Andrew Tate and Bono were trending higher than Potter and Lopetegui.

Thought we’d fucked up our interview shortlist again.

Lop seems like a decent bloke, but our results and lack of patterns of play can't continue. Not sure Potter is the answer, but if it's him fair enough. Doubt any of us would have wanted Nuno either. 

have they actually sacked him? As good as? BBC says “we’re thinking about it”. FFS when does this club ever get decisive on something ? Sack or back!