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Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 23 Oct 2025, 10:28
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Well after the disaster of Monday at Brentford, the thought of more West Ham in the same week is enough to put anyone in a bad mood. The 'pros' always talk about wanting to get bad games out of their system quickly, and this gives them that opportunity, but also sets up a horrible start to the weekend for the rest of us!
Teamwise, Mavro is out with what looked a nasty hamstring injury. Fullkrug is still broken, and Earthy remains unfit. Otherwise the rest of the squad are fit from a health perspective....maybe less so from a 'wear the shirt' angle.
Nuno's logic for his inverted fullbacks it's been revealed was to try and counter Brentford's inverted wing thread, by showing them onto the defender's strong foot...the less said about the success of that the better. And it struggles to explain Irving and Soucek in the pivot, beyond maybe 'they're both tall'.
Anyway, hopefully that's the last of the experimentation and we can revert to what at least appears a bit less shit. Wouldn't surprise me to see him go with a back 5 in this game though (and what I'll assume for my predicted XI).
Predicted lineup:
Areola
Wan Bissaka Kilman Igor
Summerville Diouf
Magassa Fernandes Paqueta
Soucek
Bowen
Subs: Hermansen, KWP, Todibo, Scarles, Potts, Irving, Guilherme, Wilson, Marshall
The squad is now a real quandary. We don't have a good CB pairing...Todibo looks hopeless, Kilman and Igor both left footed, with one an unknown and the other weak as the senior CB. Mavro was signed to be 3rd choice, but he's suddenly the most important man in the back line...a problem in itself.
Summerville is a must have...the only true pace in the side so leaving him out can't be compromised. If 3 at the back and 3-4-3 was viable, not a problem....but once again we don't have a midfield with a logical two-man pairing. Add in that Bwoen and Soucek are the only goals, and Paqueta is the only real 'vision' and we are in a bad place with a squad that don't work in combination.
So will he gamble on a bad back two, an untried midfield pair, or leave out one of the 'key' players in Soucek, Bowen, Paqueta, and Summerville.
And as for playing a real striker....
Predicted Score: Leeds 2 : 0 West Ham.
Hoping for the best, but expecting the worst.
COYI!
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 17:24
by Tomsdad
I have no idea what will happen tonight, but we will conceed at some point.
2-0 sorry.
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 16:24
by Lato
Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 16:16
Anyone selecting Marshall needs to give their head a wobble
Wobbling my head now!
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 16:19
by El Scorchio
Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 16:16
Anyone selecting Marshall needs to give their head a wobble.
Not too hard in case their KAPPA falls off.
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 16:16
by Mad Ferret
Anyone selecting Marshall needs to give their head a wobble.
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 16:14
by Massive Attack
Lato wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 14:42
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 14:39
Lato wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 14:36
Don't claim to know anything......just an opinion on a disdussion board!
It was how it was laid out on the screen, nothing more than that. More a dig at Nuno, not you.
Ok point taken
I actually like the players you selected. Not far off what I'd go for.
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 16:05
by El Scorchio
Tomshardware wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 14:53
Sir Alf" wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 14:06
Nuno’s pre match presser wasnt encouraging. He didnt admit the changes, players in certain positions didnt work ( eg inverted backs, Paqueta false 9 etc) . He seemed to put it all down to individuals not wimning their duels. You aint making Soucek, Irvine run faster and be aggressive, you aint gonna play an academy kid on he wrong side and having to keep cutting inside or a CB who’s stats in the air are in the bottom 30% and expect him to dominate a side like Brentford with lumps and lots of set piece strengths. There are other examples of “square pegs in round holes” so Im not sure he sees the need for legs, players playing to their strengths and believes its all about systems and formations? Either that or its a bit of kidology and he’ll change everything pike Magassa and Potts as the CDM pivot, Paqueta deeper, Fernandes more of the no 10, AWB, Diouf or KWP in their proper positions and Wilson startimg as the central striker. We shall soon see if his ego is a problem
Don't hold your breath, never underestimate the stubbornness of football managers to admit they got it wrong.
Also, no managers will ever sit there and do that unless it's on the whole going very well and they can afford to. Expecting Nuno to is silly. In his poisition he's never going to do that. Press conferences for managers at under pressure sides are not fun, a necessary evil and it's often the way to give short terse answers that don't give a single thing away. When your team is flying high you can go in there like Klopp and be all grinning and carefree and talk candidly and say he made mistakes or whatnot because it doesn't matter. Nuno would be stupid to do so and i wouldn't read a single thing into anything he says in his press conferences. It's just the answers which are quickest and easiest and don't invite any comeback which are given. There's no point looking for anything of note in a press conference other than who is injured or not.
Actually look at Ange when he was toast of the town at the start at spurs for an example. Boistrous, jokey, 'fun' and open answering arse licking questions with wit and glee. That all vanishes when things aren't rosey and the questions are a lot more searching. Totally different bloke.
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 15:21
by zico
All opposition managers need to say to their players is "just run about a bit. They are too slow to catch you!"
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 14:53
by Tomshardware
Sir Alf" wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 14:06
Nuno’s pre match presser wasnt encouraging. He didnt admit the changes, players in certain positions didnt work ( eg inverted backs, Paqueta false 9 etc) . He seemed to put it all down to individuals not wimning their duels. You aint making Soucek, Irvine run faster and be aggressive, you aint gonna play an academy kid on he wrong side and having to keep cutting inside or a CB who’s stats in the air are in the bottom 30% and expect him to dominate a side like Brentford with lumps and lots of set piece strengths. There are other examples of “square pegs in round holes” so Im not sure he sees the need for legs, players playing to their strengths and believes its all about systems and formations? Either that or its a bit of kidology and he’ll change everything pike Magassa and Potts as the CDM pivot, Paqueta deeper, Fernandes more of the no 10, AWB, Diouf or KWP in their proper positions and Wilson startimg as the central striker. We shall soon see if his ego is a problem
Don't hold your breath, never underestimate the stubbornness of football managers to admit they got it wrong.
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 14:42
by Lato
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 14:39
Lato wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 14:36
Don't claim to know anything......just an opinion on a disdussion board!
It was how it was laid out on the screen, nothing more than that. More a dig at Nuno, not you.
Ok point taken
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 14:39
by Massive Attack
Lato wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 14:36
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 14:18
Lato wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 14:10
Areola
KWP AWB Kilman igor Diouf
Potts Fernandez
Bowen Marshall Jimmy
Definitely a Nunothing formation.
Don't claim to know anything......just an opinion on a disdussion board!
It was how it was laid out on the screen, nothing more than that. More a dig at Nuno, not you.
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 14:36
by Lato
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 14:18
Lato wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 14:10
Areola
KWP AWB Kilman igor Diouf
Potts Fernandez
Bowen Marshall Jimmy
Definitely a Nunothing formation.
Don't claim to know anything......just an opinion on a disdussion board!
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 14:18
by Massive Attack
Lato wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 14:10
Areola
KWP AWB Kilman igor Diouf
Potts Fernandez
Bowen Marshall Jimmy
Definitely a Nunothing formation.
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 14:10
by Lato
Areola
KWP AWB Kilman igor Diouf
Potts Fernandez
Bowen Marshall Jimmy
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 14:06
by Sir Alf
Nuno’s pre match presser wasnt encouraging. He didnt admit the changes, players in certain positions didnt work ( eg inverted backs, Paqueta false 9 etc) . He seemed to put it all down to individuals not wimning their duels. You aint making Soucek, Irvine run faster and be aggressive, you aint gonna play an academy kid on he wrong side and having to keep cutting inside or a CB who’s stats in the air are in the bottom 30% and expect him to dominate a side like Brentford with lumps and lots of set piece strengths. There are other examples of “square pegs in round holes” so Im not sure he sees the need for legs, players playing to their strengths and believes its all about systems and formations? Either that or its a bit of kidology and he’ll change everything pike Magassa and Potts as the CDM pivot, Paqueta deeper, Fernandes more of the no 10, AWB, Diouf or KWP in their proper positions and Wilson startimg as the central striker. We shall soon see if his ego is a problem
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 11:32
by El Scorchio
boleyn8420 wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 10:39
Apparently Nuno is thinking of this line-up for tonight's relegation 6 pointer
Herman-sen
Walker-Peters Wan-Bissaka Crap-Kilman Jean-Clair Todibo Malik-Diouf
Ward-Prowse Old-Soucek Rodri-Guez Paquet-a Summer-Ville
Which makes about as much sense as Monday night's line up, although I may have got the positions wrong as why on earth would you play a right back at err right back.
Another depressing night ahead I fear, I have a feeling None-o may try and scrape a point whatever weird line-up he chooses
Clearly he's not.
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 10:42
by ragingbull
We could win this,also get tanked toughie to predict.
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 10:39
by boleyn8420
Apparently Nuno is thinking of this line-up for tonight's relegation 6 pointer
Herman-sen
Walker-Peters Wan-Bissaka Crap-Kilman Jean-Clair Todibo Malik-Diouf
Ward-Prowse Old-Soucek Rodri-Guez Paquet-a Summer-Ville
Which makes about as much sense as Monday night's line up, although I may have got the positions wrong as why on earth would you play a right back at err right back.
Another depressing night ahead I fear, I have a feeling None-o may try and scrape a point whatever weird line-up he chooses
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 09:57
by simons
Ha, I’m really not sure what to expect after Monday.
A rocket up all their arses hopefully!
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 09:54
by Massive Attack
simons wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 09:53
On the train. Anybody with a spare, give me a message
Hopefully they turn up for you like you have for them tonight. Fucking do it for poor old Simon, you lazy cunts!
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 09:53
by simons
On the train. Anybody with a spare, give me a message
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 09:51
by Massive Attack
El Scorchio" wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025, 09:34
Let’s also look at the comparisons between selling Rio and selling Rice. Both times the money completely wasted. None of Rice’s replacements are even reallly at the club now. Kudus gone on the cheap (well with a profit but less than we should have got) Alvarez mediocre performances and poor wantaway attitude, JWP outcast for being too shit. All of it basically wasted. Just like with the Rio money.
We had no system, no succession planning, no strategy or vision then or now. As a result both times the money effectively wasted. All we got was 20 mill from Kidus but that’s been wiped out and more by the huge losses we will take on JWP and Alvarez.
compare us to Brighton Brentford or Bournemouth. When they sold big, they had the replacements bought cheap already at the club and stepped up seamlessly to leave virtually no holes in the team or drop in performance, while they pocketed huge profits to reinvest in the next lot of young talent. Two of them didn’t even drop a beat when they lost highly regarded managers and replaced them with nobodies.
We are light years behind in every respect thanks to two people woefully out of their depth running this place like a car boot sale on the playing side. I am sure they are making out pretty well on the business side though. And that’s the point. Until now it’s ticked over, we’ve trod water and they’ve gambled and benefitted from it. Luck has run out. We’re drowning. The only consolation is they are coming down with us financially.
I brought it up after we sold Rice for that very reason that I feared history could well repeat itself and should be avoided at all costs and it sadly has gone that way in soul destroying predictability. We never, ever fucking learn...
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 09:46
by zico
Agreed. The biggest failing I see is we always replace a player with one that is absolutely nothing like the player they are replacing. Antonio the perfect example. Bumbling powerhouse who could run (at the time) but tried to replace him with tall players who couldn't run or in the case of Danny Ings, just couldn't run. Same when Moyes ridiculous pursuit of Lingard came to nothing. Why not then target a similar type of player? No that's too easy. Rice was never going to be easy to replace but at least look for a player with similar attributes. Ill be interested to see how long the likes of Brighton and Bournemouth can keep doing what they do though. Both Southampton and Wolves were good at it for a few years until they got rid of too many of their top players and look where they are now. It's not a sustainable strategy I don't think, certainly not long term. Having said that we haven't really got any more top players to sell!
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 09:45
by Sir Alf
Lads best to accept relegation is happening and preoare yourself mentally. Then anything else is a bonus.
wyy? Losing Mavropanos now before the Jan window was another “nail in the coffin” for us. Our only physically tough defender good in the air. Todibo was never that type of player ( always part of a 3 and tasked with bringing it out of defence, connecting to forwards at previous clubs) and Igor, while a tough tackler, is in the bottom 1% in Europe for aerial duels. Kilman also exposed without a leader / talker like Conor Cosdy alongside shouting at him what to do as he had at. Wolves
Another big issue of course is we have no target man who can hold it up which is critical to Nuno’s system and gives an outball etc.
Nuno’s low possession tactic takes us back to Moyesball but we recruited in the last 2 windows for Loppy, Potter and a few Sully specials for 2 managers who want high possession and control. The exact opposite. A Frankenstein like squad ( makes Igor playomg s possibility
) where the parts dont fit together but also missing key pieces.
Nuno? Was he actually reliant on his 3 cosches thst were with him everywhere? A bit like Moyes falling apart when Alan Irvine was not with him?
The only thing Nuno shpuld IMO do is play the most athletic, physical players with the best engines in their correct positions but even then Im now thinking it ls simply not gonna be strong enough.
Best I can come up with is:
———- Areola
KWP ——- ?? —— Kilman ( sigh ) — AWB
—— Potts. ——Magassa
—— Fernandes —— Paqueta —— Summerville
———- Bowen
Gawd knows who takes the other CB spot? Todibo, Igor, Soucek?
We’re fvcked with this squad nd wont get enough points by Jan to survive is my thinking.
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 09:42
by ,
Choosing a starting eleven is much less difficult than choosing the eleven that Nuno will start with as evidenced by the Brentford game. Even if anyone manages to predict Nuno’s choices the probability is that the positions they are selected to play in will be different.
Re: Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2025, 09:34
by El Scorchio
Let’s also look at the comparisons between selling Rio and selling Rice. Both times the money completely wasted. None of Rice’s replacements are even reallly at the club now. Kudus gone on the cheap (well with a profit but less than we should have got) Alvarez mediocre performances and poor wantaway attitude, JWP outcast for being too shit. All of it basically wasted. Just like with the Rio money.
We had no system, no succession planning, no strategy or vision then or now. As a result both times the money effectively wasted. All we got was 20 mill from Kidus but that’s been wiped out and more by the huge losses we will take on JWP and Alvarez.
compare us to Brighton Brentford or Bournemouth. When they sold big, they had the replacements bought cheap already at the club and stepped up seamlessly to leave virtually no holes in the team or drop in performance, while they pocketed huge profits to reinvest in the next lot of young talent. Two of them didn’t even drop a beat when they lost highly regarded managers and replaced them with nobodies.
We are light years behind in every respect thanks to two people woefully out of their depth running this place like a car boot sale on the playing side. I am sure they are making out pretty well on the business side though. And that’s the point. Until now it’s ticked over, we’ve trod water and they’ve gambled and benefitted from it. Luck has run out. We’re drowning. The only consolation is they are coming down with us financially.
) where the parts dont fit together but also missing key pieces. 