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"There is a very good section on GB news where the ludicrous idiocies of Wokeness are looked at I thought we would should have one for WHO. I'll start with Baptiste on BBC: In Hungary,an ambassador's family are kidnapped by Islamic terrorists and carry out atrocities. At the end of the last episode Baptiste finds out that it is a false flag operation and conveniently, the real culprits are white supremacists who want to stop all immigration. Coronation Street ITV a gay black footballer is stopped by the police, because he is driving an expensive car. He is pushed to the ground during an altercation, and damages his leg threatening his career. Could have been written by Dawn Butler or a BLM activist."

Interesting article in Unherd saying that long covid sufferers are mostly female liberals and trans. They then go on in depth with a lot of science about why that might be. https://unherd.com/2023/06/is-liberal-society-making-us-ill/

Interesting article in Unherd saying that long covid sufferers are mostly female liberals and trans. They then go on in depth with a lot of science about why that might be. https://unherd.com/2023/06/is-liberal-society-making-us-ill/

"Curious how some on here are going to defend this.... ""The “coming for your children” chant has been used for years at Pride events, according to longtime march attendees and gay rights activists, who said it’s one of many provocative expressions used to regain control of slurs against LGBTQ people. And in this case, they said, right-wing activists are jumping on a single video to weaponize an out-of-context remark to further stigmatize the queer community."" https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/nbc-out-proud/re-coming-children-chant-nyc-drag-march-elicits-outrage-activists-say-rcna91341 The pro-LGBT lobby are already pivoting from ""no one is threatening your children"" to ""ok, they're threatening your children but its only bantz"". Next step will likely be ""yes, they're threatening your children, but its a good thing"". The west gave this lot everything they asked for, full equality, even preferential treatment, their own days/weeks/months to celebrate, all on ONE condition: leave kids alone. And they're unable to do it. Why?"

"Fifth Column 5:05 Tue Jun 27 I'd be 100% behind the third category option - I'd probably not even object to a portion of my tax being used to fund such options publicly. I can't see why I'd need to though. As I've mentioned, nations in SE Asia have had workable solutions in place at least since the Vietnam War, and probably much longer. Never seen or heard any complaints from the trans/ladyboys/khatoeys there. The ""That's there, we're here"" argument doesn't hold up - we're all human, wherever we live."

"Mike To be fair most of the things Debs has mentioned don't cost anything, they are to treat men as women legally in certain circumstances. I think that's a terrible idea in almost all circumstances but it's largely cost neutral. My outline of a solution to the argument in providing male, female and ""third/open"" spaces would come at a cost. Though as I said it's moot because all the Trans Identifying Male advocacy groups just want TIMs to be considered women legally. So there is no compromise possible for these narcissist advocates. That being the case they should just get nothing."

Darlo Debs 2:42 Tue Jun 27 Who's responsibility is it to pay for all the things you'd like to happen? Where will the money come from?

* concerned...not governed

They'd probably argue that 95% was not good enough as it would be quite traumatic for the 5% to end up feeling humiliated by bring wrongly sexed Those jobs that carry exemptions will primarily be governed with protecting vulnerable children and adults (.i think that's correct) and quite frankly their safety is paramount as is tbevsafety and we'll being if other staff looking after that individual.or group. I am.not saying a trans person would not do a good job but if a role calls for a female then the needs of tbe service user come first and they get a female. That said I have no issues if a post op man/woman or vice versa applies for and gets that role. While someone is simply identifying then current exemptions are adequate. .

*ignores Edward’s usual barely-coherent outburst of frustrated rage.

"I don't reckon there's an adult human being on the planet that you would have a physical strength advantage over Fritzl, you weasel. You'd lose an arm wrestle to a leper."

"I’m sorry, but what is TIM advocacy and is it restricted to men who pretend to be women so they can abuse their physical-strength advantage?"

"Debs Again this is the whole point. There are exemptions in Equality Act to allow for recruitment of someone female in certain circs. Stonewall etc want to remove those exemptions. Most women rights campaigns are about retaining the law as it is. It's TIM advocacy groups like Stonewall that wish to reduce your rights. As for ""policing"" no it's not true. Policing of refuges, prisons etc is extremely straightforward. Same with women's sports. In terms of open access public spaces like toilets, generally social convention leads to men not using women's toilets rather than the law. By providing a third space it gives women the social ""permission"" to challenge men trying to access their spaces. If Tim's seek to break the law then that's on them but it's not a reason not to implement a law ie we can't implement that because some people might break the law. Also research shows humans are able to accurately sex another human on sight over 95% of the time so the idea it's v difficult to judge someone's sex on sight is almost always bollocks yet that's another argument the Tim's make."

"""what next? a report telling us that the bricklaying trade is sexist?"" Lol. That ship sailed long ago, we've been having periodic whinges/lectures on why there aren't enough women in construction/utilities/engineering for at least the last 2 decades, as well as countless bodies and campaigns designed to solve this apparently important issue. 3rd result on google, specifically about brickies: https://www.theguardian.com/careers/careers-blog/2015/may/19/where-are-all-the-women-why-99-of-construction-site-workers-are-male"

"See, FC - even braincell gets it."

"Fifth that would be trickier to.police for some things than others . The other potential.sution would be to.have legal.exemotions as with some jobs. It is perfectly reasonable (I think most would agree), to have an exemption for say lesbian dating sites/ groups. Assuming the exemption is for pre-op men. If I were gay I'd be most peeved to go.on a date with what I thought was a female to.end up looking at the last turkey in the shop. (*copyright Blackadder)"

"twoleftfeet - i knew you'd jump on that cricket report. to be fair though, it's fucking mental. why do white men in this country hate themselves so much that they commission reports for everyone to tell them how horrible they are? cricket has always been a sport for the middle classes. if you wanna play for a team it's an expensive hobby buying all the gear to go with it. schools dont have the money to keep a pitch in the condition it needs to be (and the weather is shit). there are entire teams of non-white players (asian) in my local leagues, can't we just accept that it's not a sport that black people love in this country? the West Indies are not the team they were so popularity falls amongst second and third generation immigrants. what next? a report telling us that the bricklaying trade is sexist?"

"Darlo That's the whole point. They already have full human rights in law. The line is drawn. The only thing they don't have lawful rights to are female spaces. The solution is having TIM specific prison wings, TIM specific refuges etc. It's simple. Every trans lobby group rejects this because their insistence that Tim's are literally women and it's breaching their human rights for them not to have access to female spaces. Of course males getting access to female spaces is not a human right. It's not difficult or complex. If Tim's accepted these third spaces ie male, female and ""other"" then this would be solved tomorrow."

"I worked with someone who was transitioning 25 years ago, he / she went through a whole lot of shit and even had to move as the local kids were making life unbearable. Being six feet 3 and having hands like shovels probably didn't help but the last I heard she had found some kind of solace / happiness. People's attitudes and the actual process would of been very different back then and I kind of admired his/her stoicism although I didn't ask too many questions. I have encountered other trans type working in pubs etc since then and never found there to be any issues. If you take as you find you don't normally go far wrong however it's those who try and force agendas and get offended on other people's behalf that are the problem. ."

O1BB I'm not sure. I mean how is it possible to be incapable of understanding an argument and responding to it logically as opposed to just posting a stream of consciousness using words that literally have no defined meaning... And to think that it's some form of cogent argument? I think he's a wind up merchant who fails to actually wind anyone up. But his long term commitment to fishing deserves an award.

5th yes a line does need to be drawn. As with the example I.mentioned re women's refuges and other safe spaces. The rgrey area is where you draw those lines in a practical.and respectful way that doesn't seek.to rob genuine trans people of their dignity or rights but at the same time stops men seeking to.take advantage of trans rights to do wrongful.acts. I don't have the foggiest how we'd go.about doing that mind you. I don't suppose anyone on here does either.

"5th. You are giving Dopey way to much credit. He is so desperate to appear progressive and 'right on' that he'll say/post anything that looks like it might confirm this viewpoint. He is nothing more than a fraud as well as being a rampant narcissist and cannot stand the thought of someine being a bit more informed than he thinks he ia. You posted something the other day that clearly showed you know far more than him on this issue yet rather than think about your post, he replied with a load of bombasic nonsense with an insult aimed at you to finish it off. He's been doing it on here for years and i guess he wont be changing his tactics anytime soon."

"I see that 4000 people phone a hotline to moan about their cricketing experiences and now cricket is branded racist, sexist, elitist and classist. Based on 2022 figures that 350,000 people played cricket in the UK that means slight over 1% complained. No one ever phones hotlines to say how wonderful things are."

"I see that 4000 people phone a hotline to moan about their cricketing experiences and now cricket is branded racist, sexist, elitist and classist. Based on 2022 figures that 350,000 people played cricket in the UK that means slight over 1% complained. No one ever phones hotlines to say how wonderful things are."

"No. Just because what I post winds you up does not mean I am on a wind-up. And the fact is, if trans rights are just about the right to be treated normally, then I fully support that effort and project. I also fully support any education programme that helps children accept their real subjective needs whatever the cultural norms of their domestic background, especially if it happens to be defined by a violent and abusive hetersexual adult male posing as a father and provider. So, are you feeling wound-up right now, FC?"

"Coffee 10:20 Tue Jun 27 If you've spent much time in SE Asia I would say it's odds on you've met (several) trans people. No drama queens there - the societies tend to tolerate if not fully embrace it. I'm not (just) talking about the girlie-bars of Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket, either. I've worked in & for several SE Asian companies and all had a noticeable quota of trans people who were neither a threat to or threatened by the other (binary,,,""binary"" said with a snarl as if it's a bad thing) staff members, customers or suppliers. It's possible, then, for a society to fully accept trans people, but it has to be done at society's rate, not that of some impatient attention seekers."