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"There is a very good section on GB news where the ludicrous idiocies of Wokeness are looked at I thought we would should have one for WHO. I'll start with Baptiste on BBC: In Hungary,an ambassador's family are kidnapped by Islamic terrorists and carry out atrocities. At the end of the last episode Baptiste finds out that it is a false flag operation and conveniently, the real culprits are white supremacists who want to stop all immigration. Coronation Street ITV a gay black footballer is stopped by the police, because he is driving an expensive car. He is pushed to the ground during an altercation, and damages his leg threatening his career. Could have been written by Dawn Butler or a BLM activist."

"Evidence FC? Of course I can't provide evidence when addressing a problem the is all about your hang-ups, complexes and value judgements. However, I am glad to say that when I look at my boys and their friends of a similar age and background, I can say that while the vast majority are heterosexual, there is the normal proportion of gay and trans, though the latter have not expresses any wish for medical intervention. What is most important is the are totally accepted as normal by each other, despite the various reactions they arouse in the more uptight folk of older generations. And bear in mind, this is a country with a government and education minister and Church that implements actively anti- LGBT ideology designed to gain the vote and support of benighted peasants like you."

Darlo. Iy doesnt effect ME. In the real world it effects women and girls and some I know. Its a real world experience for women that women do not like. These are not gay men. They are men saying they are women.

mashed in maryland 1:54 Sat Jun 24 Indeed. I stick wth the 20th century unredefined terms of transvestite and transexual. One being an auto gynephiliac cross dressing kink ridden bloke and the other a nominal mind diseased person in desperate need of psychiatric help.

"Darlo The stated position of Stonewall and every trans lobby group is indeed that any male identifying as a woman should be able to use female only spaces at any time. It's not an extreme position. In the US, Canada, Australia, multiple laws have been passed to that affect. Women only spas have been successfully sued for discriminating against men. In Tasmania, the regional government has ruled that lesbians are not allowed to organise meetings that bar men. In Ireland, the USA and as highlighted in Scotland, rapists are being put in women's prisons This is happening now. I'm afraid that it's not a minority of extremists. It's the policy being campaigned for and implemented across the western world."

H&p Are you the most successful wind up fisherman on this site? Or do you lack all self awareness and fail to realise that you're repeating mantras rather than providing even a shred of evidence to support your position?

"If the trans community want the equivalent facilities to the binary community then they have to be funded. Who pays and where does the money come from? If a straight man in full-on professional drag queen guise came into a girls/woman's changing room and just sat there watching everybody, would that be acceptable on the grounds that he decided to identify as a woman for a few hours?"

Course not I'd report them like I would if a straight bloke did it. You are making these examples to justify a prejudice. Tran people go.through enough shit from.peoole with opinions like yours. That behaviour wouldn't represent anywhere near the majority of trans people

As with all politics and science there is the theoretical and then the real world experience with all the biases and priors that go with it. Debs would you be happy with a bloke transitioning to a “woman” being in your swimming pool changing rooms looking at your child while flashing his cock around? Trans is just conversion therapy for those who cant handle being gay or wish to perv out.

"You’ve returned to your old tune, Ratched. Claiming I don’t really believe what I’m saying didn’t really work, did it. But this doesn’t either - deep down you know you are in fact arguing against yourself and your own real interest. I suggest you come up with a new TRICK or two."

Darlo Debs 1:50 Sat Jun 24 No child should ever be told that they are straight/gay before a certain age. That they are a boy or girl is a virtual biological certainty and society has no reason to pander to the handful of people that lie outside that definition.

Arf! @ goose 2:03 Word salad and drivel croutons.

"It seems like ""Common Sense"" has gotten a lot less common over the last 10 years or so - maybe even longer. I suppose it being ""common"" automatically makes it not good enough for certain types of ""educated"" people. That calls for a re-branding/repositioning application on it by the ""right on"" brigade to get around that one."

"No, it’s coherent alright. You just lack a coherent answer, can’t admit it and are resorting to simple PROJECTION. We’ve seen it all before so many times."

Sorry Straw i meant be told they are the opposite sex. If that didn't come across It's something that if they discover and feel.over time should be able to be acted upon if they so choose when old enough.

Sorry Straw i meant be told they are the opposite sex. If that didn't come across It's something that if they discover and feel.over time should be able to be acted upon if they so choose when old enough.

H and P You are incapable of forming a coherent argument. Or even a coherent sentence.

"""No child should be told they are a boy/ girl"" We really are approaching the end times as a species. We're going backwards."

How can someone post so many words without actually saying anything or making a point? An absolute word salad topped with drivel.

"Excuse me because I have ignored stuff like “The recent recording at Rye College gives you documentary evidence of how it's taught. My youngest is still at school. She knows it's all bollocks but says everyone stays silent because you'd be in trouble for expressing your opinion EXACTLY as happens in the Rye College thing.” because that is EXACTLY what it deserves. It also shows you have listened to NOTHING I have posted but I will say this: In a civilised 21st Century open society, education is not just limited to the teaching of facts like maths and science, and it certainly is not about teaching religion or even history like these were merely made up of facts. This is because there is one fact that trumps them all in these areas and that is the absolute subjectivity of any individual that is beyond any kind of analysis, categorisation or judgment. Once you take this on board you realise respect, honesty and openness become just as important as the facts, and you also realise you have the right to say it’s all bollocks but the teacher has their right, and even duty, to ignore you because they have responsibility for the class and you are only responding to your own internal process."

"""I have no problem with genuine trans people"" No such thing."

No child should be told they are a boy/ girl (it's up.to them to explore over time if need be ) or put on any kind of medical.intervention before the age of 18.i absolutely agree. I.just don't ever remember saying they should be.

"Debs 100% agree with your last post. A girl could do all the things associated with being a boy stereotype eg short hair, likes sport, climbing trees. Or vice versa. That's progress. Telling a boy that likes dresses or pink that it means they're actually a girl is the ""social transitioning"". The latter is problematic."

"I have no problem with genuine trans people, they deserve happy and peaceful lives as much as anyone. Its the activists who are the villians of this particular piece, the people who advocate puberty blockers for 10 year olds and kick up merry hell because a lesbian dosnt want to go with a 'woman' who has a dick. If you can be called a woman whilst still having bollox, surely a white person can identify as black ? Yea, right. And exactly what unity is being damaged and how is this beneficial to the right? Plenty on the left share the same concerns over what is happening around certain areas in the trans movement."

Darlo Debs 1:15 Sat Jun 24 The object of (good) parenting is to best prepare the children for whom you have responsibility about life in the society into which they will grow. It is not weaponising their ignorance and insecurities and using them as ammunition to try to force that change on the very same society. When they are adults and (better) understand their own feelings (generally but not exclusively when their hormones become lest rampant) is well soon enough for them to return to the matter - and not a second earlier.

"I sm.not sure how letting your child dress in clothes generally worn by the opposite sex, do activities more generally associated as the opposite sex and maybe asked to be called by a different name constitutes abuse"