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"There is a very good section on GB news where the ludicrous idiocies of Wokeness are looked at I thought we would should have one for WHO. I'll start with Baptiste on BBC: In Hungary,an ambassador's family are kidnapped by Islamic terrorists and carry out atrocities. At the end of the last episode Baptiste finds out that it is a false flag operation and conveniently, the real culprits are white supremacists who want to stop all immigration. Coronation Street ITV a gay black footballer is stopped by the police, because he is driving an expensive car. He is pushed to the ground during an altercation, and damages his leg threatening his career. Could have been written by Dawn Butler or a BLM activist."

"You’ve returned to your old tune, Ratched. Claiming I don’t really believe what I’m saying didn’t really work, did it. But this doesn’t either - deep down you know you are in fact arguing against yourself and your own real interest. I suggest you come up with a new TRICK or two."

Darlo Debs 1:50 Sat Jun 24 No child should ever be told that they are straight/gay before a certain age. That they are a boy or girl is a virtual biological certainty and society has no reason to pander to the handful of people that lie outside that definition.

Arf! @ goose 2:03 Word salad and drivel croutons.

"It seems like ""Common Sense"" has gotten a lot less common over the last 10 years or so - maybe even longer. I suppose it being ""common"" automatically makes it not good enough for certain types of ""educated"" people. That calls for a re-branding/repositioning application on it by the ""right on"" brigade to get around that one."

"No, it’s coherent alright. You just lack a coherent answer, can’t admit it and are resorting to simple PROJECTION. We’ve seen it all before so many times."

Sorry Straw i meant be told they are the opposite sex. If that didn't come across It's something that if they discover and feel.over time should be able to be acted upon if they so choose when old enough.

Sorry Straw i meant be told they are the opposite sex. If that didn't come across It's something that if they discover and feel.over time should be able to be acted upon if they so choose when old enough.

H and P You are incapable of forming a coherent argument. Or even a coherent sentence.

"""No child should be told they are a boy/ girl"" We really are approaching the end times as a species. We're going backwards."

How can someone post so many words without actually saying anything or making a point? An absolute word salad topped with drivel.

"Excuse me because I have ignored stuff like “The recent recording at Rye College gives you documentary evidence of how it's taught. My youngest is still at school. She knows it's all bollocks but says everyone stays silent because you'd be in trouble for expressing your opinion EXACTLY as happens in the Rye College thing.” because that is EXACTLY what it deserves. It also shows you have listened to NOTHING I have posted but I will say this: In a civilised 21st Century open society, education is not just limited to the teaching of facts like maths and science, and it certainly is not about teaching religion or even history like these were merely made up of facts. This is because there is one fact that trumps them all in these areas and that is the absolute subjectivity of any individual that is beyond any kind of analysis, categorisation or judgment. Once you take this on board you realise respect, honesty and openness become just as important as the facts, and you also realise you have the right to say it’s all bollocks but the teacher has their right, and even duty, to ignore you because they have responsibility for the class and you are only responding to your own internal process."

"""I have no problem with genuine trans people"" No such thing."

No child should be told they are a boy/ girl (it's up.to them to explore over time if need be ) or put on any kind of medical.intervention before the age of 18.i absolutely agree. I.just don't ever remember saying they should be.

"Debs 100% agree with your last post. A girl could do all the things associated with being a boy stereotype eg short hair, likes sport, climbing trees. Or vice versa. That's progress. Telling a boy that likes dresses or pink that it means they're actually a girl is the ""social transitioning"". The latter is problematic."

"I have no problem with genuine trans people, they deserve happy and peaceful lives as much as anyone. Its the activists who are the villians of this particular piece, the people who advocate puberty blockers for 10 year olds and kick up merry hell because a lesbian dosnt want to go with a 'woman' who has a dick. If you can be called a woman whilst still having bollox, surely a white person can identify as black ? Yea, right. And exactly what unity is being damaged and how is this beneficial to the right? Plenty on the left share the same concerns over what is happening around certain areas in the trans movement."

Darlo Debs 1:15 Sat Jun 24 The object of (good) parenting is to best prepare the children for whom you have responsibility about life in the society into which they will grow. It is not weaponising their ignorance and insecurities and using them as ammunition to try to force that change on the very same society. When they are adults and (better) understand their own feelings (generally but not exclusively when their hormones become lest rampant) is well soon enough for them to return to the matter - and not a second earlier.

"I sm.not sure how letting your child dress in clothes generally worn by the opposite sex, do activities more generally associated as the opposite sex and maybe asked to be called by a different name constitutes abuse"

"Nice! I am genuinely delighted with that, Fiff. Bloody good riposte."

"Debs We need to base social and medical policies on objective evidence. The independent Cass Review into the NHS gender clinic for children concluded it was failing. One of the findings was that there is insufficient evidence to conclude that socially transitioning children eg schools changing their pronouns, benefitted the child in the long term. Things that may seem to be compassionate can have long term negative impacts. The British Medical Journal published a review of the evidence for gender affirming care quoted by advocates around the world. It concluded the evidence was poor. The editor received abuse, was told he was a bigot and should retract the article. Surprisingly he told the critics to #### off albeit without profanity. Point is, kind people take the ""but it's only kind, it doesn't hurt anyone"" line of activists to be true. But it's all without solid evidence."

Nurse An interesting parallel. RE doesn't teach any particular religion as fact. And the curriculum also covers atheism. I think studying gender identity as part of RE would actually be ideal. It's clear that it's an ideological belief rather than a fact that you're not allowed to challenge. I don't think there are any RE teachers threatening to kick kids out of school for not subscribing to any view. The legal requirement for some form of worship in schools that I think technically still exists should be removed as well.

"""But how does it affect you personally"" isn't a justification for damaging and abusive behaviour."

MiM.but you didn't answer my question regarding how someone letting their child be who.it wants to be and then have the support to change back if/when they want or need to affects you personally. No responsible adult should be encouraging a child to.take drugs. Funnily enough my daughter ( now 17) thanked me for refusing to let her have a vape when her friends had them.at the age of 14.

"""You can't educate children about something that doesn't exist"" *raises hand and coughs politely to get Mr Column's attention* Excuse me Sir, but I thoroughly agree with you. Does that mean we can now also do away with religious study classes in school? *smiles sweetly*"

Typo None of this is hyperbole

"H and P You've ignored every one of my points because you are lost and have no clue how to respond. You can't educate children about something that doesn't exist. We're not going to educate children that the earth is flat. The impact of this ""education"", which you are defending despite having no knowledge or understanding of it, is to put healthy children to be subject to castration, mastectomies and sterilisation. The majority are gay or autistic. None of this is not hyperbole. Generations of my family have been in the labour movement campaigning for gay rights and women's rights. To see people claiming to be on the left supporting this homophobic women hating movement is genuinely heartbreaking. It's because the left has ceased to be about the workers and is now the party of feelings. For shame."