The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 09 Dec 2024, 09:19
by Come On You Irons
There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 03 Mar 2025, 15:17
by ironsofcanada
Far Cough UKunt" wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025, 14:51
It seems Iyawnsofcanada, has all the fucking answers, what say we tell Zelensky baby to take a back seat at the next summit in the White House and insert the aforementioned, IyawnsChamberlain
Nice to see you FC. Bringing out the old "Iyawns" guns. Classic, mate.
But we can't pretend we are living in 1939 - (What was it like then?) The world is very different.
Chamberlain had the potential power (with his alliances of the time) to soundly defeat the burgeoning Nazi regime, in the years that lead up to WWII. So if he had taken a stand in a number of instances earlier, he had the real military might enforce that stand. Appeasements happened and German power grew.
We (whoever we is) cannot soundly defeat Russia unless we are willing to go to nuclear war. We don't have the leverage that Chamberlain had and did not use.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 03 Mar 2025, 15:10
by Lee Trundle
Don't you lot find it weird that the USA rejected the minerals deal then?
Their stance is that it's impossible to have an economic deal without a peace deal.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 03 Mar 2025, 15:03
by Hammer I am
dealcanvey wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025, 15:01
I think Ukraine should let Trump sort out a peace deal with Putin. In return they get to hand over billions of dollars worth of minerals. The security is that bobby joe with 3 teeth who has an American passport is mining the resources for the USA.
Putin wont dare move on bobby joe. He can take the rest of the Ukraine though, just not the mines that America have a claim over.
Zelensky also has all the assurance he needs because Trump is not having private phone calls with Putin, nor is Trump keeping Ukraine out of their own ceasefire and peace talks with Russia.
When Zelensky visits the white house and is welcomed with open arms, it will assure him even more that Trump is the man to save the world.
"Putin wont dare move on bobby joe. He can take the rest of the Ukraine though, just not the mines that America have a claim over"
That's the important part, Putin may not want to risk harming bobby joe, but bobby joe won't be mining in Kyiv, So are you saying Zelensky's country could effectively be reduced to the parts where US is actively mining? Not much of a deal then!.
Edit, sorry think i had an irony failure
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 03 Mar 2025, 15:01
by dealcanvey
I think Ukraine should let Trump sort out a peace deal with Putin. In return they get to hand over billions of dollars worth of minerals. The security is that bobby joe with 3 teeth who has an American passport is mining the resources for the USA.
Putin wont dare move on bobby joe. He can take the rest of the Ukraine though, just not the mines that America have a claim over.
Zelensky also has all the assurance he needs because Trump is not having private phone calls with Putin, nor is Trump keeping Ukraine out of their own ceasefire and peace talks with Russia.
When Zelensky visits the white house and is welcomed with open arms, it will assure him even more that Trump is the man to save the world.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 03 Mar 2025, 14:57
by Hammer I am
It seems IOC's grand plan is to effectively surrender to two countries at once, one of them they're not even at war with, what a statesman!
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
I said it was a starting point from which you negotiate. Not giveaway everything you've got like your plan! You keep believing that Zelensky will give up territory and membership of NATO without concrete security guarantees - welcome to fantasyland!
So no actual plan you think will work. Let's keep 'em dying.
Zelensky is in the weakest postion of the parties in question, if he wants to honour his people's desire for peace, he will realistical have to give up the most.
(We have discussed security guarantees, having a the US with a massive imbedded presence and counting on your resources is a huge one. You pretend that is not a thing.)
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
As I keep saying Russia hand back the land they are occupying to Ukraine or NATA membership / Security guarantees will be provided. I suspect that Zelensky will want both. But the compromise is his and Putins to make as part of the ongoing negotiations - not sure why you are struggling to understand it!
You keeping saying that and keep asserting you live in a fantasy realm.
Russia wants neither of those options so they keep fighting.
Now what?
As unsavory as it sounds you will have to give up something to Russia to obtain a peace agreement. The alternatives are either war we (increasing Europe) keep funding or the European nations and maybe the US getting involved actively which sparks regional conflict or worse.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 03 Mar 2025, 14:51
by Far Cough UKunt
It seems Iyawnsofcanada, has all the fucking answers, what say we tell Zelensky baby to take a back seat at the next summit in the White House and insert the aforementioned, IyawnsChamberlain?
I'm sure he'll come out of the White House waving a piece of paper and announcing peace in our fucking time?
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
As I keep saying Russia hand back the land they are occupying to Ukraine or NATA membership / Security guarantees will be provided. I suspect that Zelensky will want both. But the compromise is his and Putins to make as part of the ongoing negotiations - not sure why you are struggling to understand it!
You keeping saying that and keep asserting you live in a fantasy realm.
Russia wants neither of those options so they keep fighting.
Now what?
I said it was a starting point from which you negotiate. Not giveaway everything you've got like your plan! You keep believing that Zelensky will give up territory and membership of NATO without concrete security guarantees - welcome to fantasyland!
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
As I keep saying Russia hand back the land they are occupying to Ukraine or NATA membership / Security guarantees will be provided. I suspect that Zelensky will want both. But the compromise is his and Putins to make as part of the ongoing negotiations - not sure why you are struggling to understand it!
You keeping saying that and keep asserting you live in a fantasy realm.
Russia wants neither of those options so they keep fighting.
Now what?
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 03 Mar 2025, 14:29
by Lee Trundle
Why would Russia hand back the land they now occupy?
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Just enter a Zen state, clear Trump from your mind...
Now without thinking of him or his country (visualise him being fully America First and taking all money and influence out of Europe)
Now present your plan for peace in the Ukraine.
Capitulation is not a Peace plan its a surrender!
As I keep saying Russia hand back the land they are occupying to Ukraine or NATA membership / Security guarantees will be provided. I suspect that Zelensky will want both. But the compromise is his and Putins to make as part of the ongoing negotiations - not sure why you are struggling to understand it!
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 03 Mar 2025, 13:50
by ironsofcanada
, wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025, 09:49
Nag reminds us as to how we should learn from history and sometimes it seems to repeat itself.
Like Hitler and Stalin divided Poland to suit their aggressive needs, in September 1939, the carve up of Ukraine to suit the Putin and Trump needs is an echo from more than eighty years ago. This carve up, like the previous one mentioned, shows no consideration as to the needs and desires of the citizens affected and what is even worse is that neither of this nasty duopoly will feel any compunction in breaking their agreement.
Yes comma, let's repeat some history
1) Like the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, a modern deal between the States and Russia is a secret pact that no one in other governments and the press (and thereby the Ukraine citizens it affects) has heard of until well after it came into play...oh wait.
2) Like the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, this modern deal comes before any fighting started was not part of a peace structure to stop an existing, bloody war...oh wait.
3) (really the only one that needs to be considered) Like in the time of Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, the parties involved do not have nuclear weapons and thankfully those weapons do not change dramtatically the dynamic in enforcing a dissolution of such an agreement...oh wait.
So yes comma, carbon copy of the 1939 world power dynamic.
But I really do appreciate you letting us know the "needs and desires" of Ukranian people. Where did you get that information?
1) The most sure indicator would surely be elections, which Zelensky held when they were supposed to be both for president and parliament...oh wait.
2) But in the really strange case where elections did not happen, based on polling done in November of last year, 52 % of Ukrainians would not give up land to bring peace ...oh wait.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
3 posts on football in almost 2 weeks. The rest of your posting history is on this very thread.
Have a word with yourself.
Wow you went back 3 whole weeks go back a bit further - maybe check out the Moyes Out thread! - you know very well I've been posting for years on here. The hot topic atm is the shit show in the US hence posting on here.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 03 Mar 2025, 11:04
by Takashi Miike
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
THUNDERCLINT wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025, 07:06
How many accounts on this thread lately are the drunk Polish nazi Pickle?
I suspect 2.
You are the one with a new account check my history.
Well that's 100% confirmed Billy as being the drunk Polish nazi. Silly cսnt takes every piece of bait offered.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 03 Mar 2025, 10:05
by only1billybonds
I don't think the likes of BJB should be taken seriously when it comes to anything related to Trump. The levels of TDS are so off the scale that the Americans could send their entire military to defend Ukraine and there would still be reasons to criticise the action. The most important question is this. Haven't enough people died already?
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 03 Mar 2025, 10:01
by Far Cough UKunt
, wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025, 09:49
Nag reminds us as to how we should learn from history and sometimes it seems to repeat itself.
Like Hitler and Stalin divided Poland to suit their aggressive needs, in September 1939, the carve up of Ukraine to suit the Putin and Trump needs is an echo from more than eighty years ago. This carve up, like the previous one mentioned, shows no consideration as to the needs and desires of the citizens affected and what is even worse is that neither of this nasty duopoly will feel any compunction in breaking their agreement.
) The world is very different. 
) The world is very different. 