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The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 09 Dec 2024, 09:19
by Come On You Irons
There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 22:13
by Massive Attack
only1billybonds wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 22:05
Apologies for interrupting the goose n nutsin show, normal service can continue soon.
Was thinking back to covid times today and i remembered that the army built 7 hospitals in a week. So why the fuck can't the government instruct the army to build a dozen detention centres to house all these budding Horatio Nelsons. Kit them out with camp beds and stick them out at the back of beyond where there are no locals. This would save the tax payer a fortune and would also preserve the jobs of of all the staff who get sacked as soon as the hotels are comadered for these Herbert's. The government clearly have no intention of stopping these people coming here so the least they can do is stop giving them free shit, stop putting them in luxurious settings and show the British people that the British government is actually on their fucking side!
Will to do it. It's an easy thing to initiate if they want to. Dominic Cummings said that the Nightingale Hospitals were knocked up in days through specialist logistical help of the Army. He recommended they should do the same with temporary migrant camps which solves some issues like having them away from schools etc.
Starmer doesn’t want to do that, just as he pulled the plug immediately on the Rwanda scheme, even though if he just continued on with what the Tories started with it, they'd be able to stop a lot of the pull to the Country as well.
If he actually cared about how liked he was in the Country, keeping that going was such an easy win as the Tories got it up and running and he could still bask in the glory of clearing migrant issue away without getting any of the shit thrown at him bar some student union knicker wetting tantrums.
But Starmer clearly doesn't want to do that, he wants the Country to live in misery so he looks great on the world stage with his other muggy liveral luvvie wankers around the world and in particular the EU.
He probably also sees it weirdly as reparations through the backdoor unofficially "giving back" for all of our nasty Colonial ways, hence Chagos Islands surrender at a cost to us.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 22:05
by only1billybonds
Apologies for interrupting the goose n nutsin show, normal service can continue soon.
Was thinking back to covid times today and i remembered that the army built 7 hospitals in a week. So why the fuck can't the government instruct the army to build a dozen detention centres to house all these budding Horatio Nelsons. Kit them out with camp beds and stick them out at the back of beyond where there are no locals. This would save the tax payer a fortune and would also preserve the jobs of of all the staff who get sacked as soon as the hotels are comadered for these Herbert's. The government clearly have no intention of stopping these people coming here so the least they can do is stop giving them free shit, stop putting them in luxurious settings and show the British people that the British government is actually on their fucking side!
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 21:57
by goose
When all is said and done it’s a simple equation. The tariffs get paid by US businesses, either they pay through their profits or consumers pay at the till.
one of them pays. It’s not magic money.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 21:54
by Massive Attack
You fucking two crack me up!
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 21:48
by goose
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 21:43
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 21:31
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 20:59
Yeah and the tariff hit is on their overseas production.
from the WSJ. Read the article on the link below.
Imported cars and parts.
So if the biggest manufacturer of cars in the US chooses to import despite the $1.1bn hit, what does that tell you about producing the equivalent in the US? It’s cheaper to take the $1.1bn hit.
They also warned that the hit to costs will be even greater next quarter.
Now, if the biggest and most well equipped manufacturer of cars cannot avoid those costs you think there’s a magic answer to this? Nope.
Changing your tune now I see. You must hate that I co time to embarrass you. Ag ag ag!
Who said they cannot avoid it? Do you have any proof of this? Or are you talking bollocks again?
Changed my tune on what? That they’re the biggest manufacturer of cars in the US? They are.
the proof is them paying it. You don’t think GM would avoid paying out an additional $1.1bn of costs if they could? What about Q3 when it becomes an even bigger cost?
if they had a more cost effective option they’d be doing it don’t you think?
if you think you’re embarrassing anyone others than yourself, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
next you’ll be telling me about all the beef you’re going to export to Australia
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 21:44
by Nutsin
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 21:43
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 21:31
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 20:59
Yeah and the tariff hit is on their overseas production.
from the WSJ. Read the article on the link below.
Imported cars and parts.
So if the biggest manufacturer of cars in the US chooses to import despite the $1.1bn hit, what does that tell you about producing the equivalent in the US? It’s cheaper to take the $1.1bn hit.
They also warned that the hit to costs will be even greater next quarter.
Now, if the biggest and most well equipped manufacturer of cars cannot avoid those costs you think there’s a magic answer to this? Nope.
Changing your tune now I see. You must hate that I co time to embarrass you. Ag ag ag!
Who said they cannot avoid it? Do you have any proof of this? Or are you talking bollocks again?
* Continue not fucking co time.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 21:43
by Nutsin
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 21:31
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 20:59
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:56
GM are the biggest manufacturer of cars in the US.
try again.
Yeah and the tariff hit is on their overseas production.
from the WSJ. Read the article on the link below.
Imported cars and parts.
So if the biggest manufacturer of cars in the US chooses to import despite the $1.1bn hit, what does that tell you about producing the equivalent in the US? It’s cheaper to take the $1.1bn hit.
They also warned that the hit to costs will be even greater next quarter.
Now, if the biggest and most well equipped manufacturer of cars cannot avoid those costs you think there’s a magic answer to this? Nope.
Changing your tune now I see. You must hate that I co time to embarrass you. Ag ag ag!
Who said they cannot avoid it? Do you have any proof of this? Or are you talking bollocks again?
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 21:31
by goose
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 20:59
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:56
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:33
GM could always make all their autos and auto parts in the USA therefor removing any Tarrif too of course. So it’s not permanent, is it.
They just got a nice big tax break with Trumps BBB plus new markets are opening up so an opportunity to gain market share will help their bottom line.
Now all that VAT money, sorry I mean Tarrif money Trump wants to use it to offer more tax cuts and or pay down the debt.
So corporations give up some profit but get a better chance to compete and grow and the savings go to the middle class. I like the policy.
These corporations have been raking it in for years, the CEO’s get paid silly money, even the bad ones. Redirecting their profits and passing it on to the public with tax removals sounds like a good idea to me.
Any jobs lost at GM or other CO’s will be replaced by all the companies building new offices and warehouses/ plants in the USA to get around Tarrifs.
Sounds good to me.
GM are the biggest manufacturer of cars in the US.
try again.
Yeah and the tariff hit is on their overseas production.
from the WSJ. Read the article on the link below.
Imported cars and parts.
So if the biggest manufacturer of cars in the US chooses to import despite the $1.1bn hit, what does that tell you about producing the equivalent in the US? It’s cheaper to take the $1.1bn hit.
They also warned that the hit to costs will be even greater next quarter.
Now, if the biggest and most well equipped manufacturer of cars cannot avoid those costs you think there’s a magic answer to this? Nope.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 20:59
by Nutsin
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:56
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:33
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:17
Stop acting retarded you know full well what I mean.
GM could always make all their autos and auto parts in the USA therefor removing any Tarrif too of course. So it’s not permanent, is it.
They just got a nice big tax break with Trumps BBB plus new markets are opening up so an opportunity to gain market share will help their bottom line.
Now all that VAT money, sorry I mean Tarrif money Trump wants to use it to offer more tax cuts and or pay down the debt.
So corporations give up some profit but get a better chance to compete and grow and the savings go to the middle class. I like the policy.
These corporations have been raking it in for years, the CEO’s get paid silly money, even the bad ones. Redirecting their profits and passing it on to the public with tax removals sounds like a good idea to me.
Any jobs lost at GM or other CO’s will be replaced by all the companies building new offices and warehouses/ plants in the USA to get around Tarrifs.
Sounds good to me.
GM are the biggest manufacturer of cars in the US.
try again.
Yeah and the tariff hit is on their overseas production.
from the WSJ. Read the article on the link below.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 19:15
by goose
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 19:13
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:56
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:33
GM could always make all their autos and auto parts in the USA therefor removing any Tarrif too of course. So it’s not permanent, is it.
They just got a nice big tax break with Trumps BBB plus new markets are opening up so an opportunity to gain market share will help their bottom line.
Now all that VAT money, sorry I mean Tarrif money Trump wants to use it to offer more tax cuts and or pay down the debt.
So corporations give up some profit but get a better chance to compete and grow and the savings go to the middle class. I like the policy.
These corporations have been raking it in for years, the CEO’s get paid silly money, even the bad ones. Redirecting their profits and passing it on to the public with tax removals sounds like a good idea to me.
Any jobs lost at GM or other CO’s will be replaced by all the companies building new offices and warehouses/ plants in the USA to get around Tarrifs.
Sounds good to me.
GM are the biggest manufacturer of cars in the US.
try again.
Wake me up when we get Stagflation!
Wake me up when they manufacture iPhones in the US
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 19:13
by Nutsin
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:56
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:33
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:17
Stop acting retarded you know full well what I mean.
GM could always make all their autos and auto parts in the USA therefor removing any Tarrif too of course. So it’s not permanent, is it.
They just got a nice big tax break with Trumps BBB plus new markets are opening up so an opportunity to gain market share will help their bottom line.
Now all that VAT money, sorry I mean Tarrif money Trump wants to use it to offer more tax cuts and or pay down the debt.
So corporations give up some profit but get a better chance to compete and grow and the savings go to the middle class. I like the policy.
These corporations have been raking it in for years, the CEO’s get paid silly money, even the bad ones. Redirecting their profits and passing it on to the public with tax removals sounds like a good idea to me.
Any jobs lost at GM or other CO’s will be replaced by all the companies building new offices and warehouses/ plants in the USA to get around Tarrifs.
Sounds good to me.
GM are the biggest manufacturer of cars in the US.
try again.
Wake me up when we get Stagflation!
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 18:56
by goose
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:33
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:17
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:13
Getting away with what?
fantastic attempt at deflection btw.
Stop acting retarded you know full well what I mean.
GM could always make all their autos and auto parts in the USA therefor removing any Tarrif too of course. So it’s not permanent, is it.
They just got a nice big tax break with Trumps BBB plus new markets are opening up so an opportunity to gain market share will help their bottom line.
Now all that VAT money, sorry I mean Tarrif money Trump wants to use it to offer more tax cuts and or pay down the debt.
So corporations give up some profit but get a better chance to compete and grow and the savings go to the middle class. I like the policy.
These corporations have been raking it in for years, the CEO’s get paid silly money, even the bad ones. Redirecting their profits and passing it on to the public with tax removals sounds like a good idea to me.
Any jobs lost at GM or other CO’s will be replaced by all the companies building new offices and warehouses/ plants in the USA to get around Tarrifs.
Sounds good to me.
GM are the biggest manufacturer of cars in the US.
try again.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 18:33
by Nutsin
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:17
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:13
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:11
Looks like you’re finally coming to terms that you lot seem to get away with it but somehow the USA won’t.
Silly nuts!
Getting away with what?
fantastic attempt at deflection btw.
Stop acting retarded you know full well what I mean.
GM could always make all their autos and auto parts in the USA therefor removing any Tarrif too of course. So it’s not permanent, is it.
They just got a nice big tax break with Trumps BBB plus new markets are opening up so an opportunity to gain market share will help their bottom line.
Now all that VAT money, sorry I mean Tarrif money Trump wants to use it to offer more tax cuts and or pay down the debt.
So corporations give up some profit but get a better chance to compete and grow and the savings go to the middle class. I like the policy.
These corporations have been raking it in for years, the CEO’s get paid silly money, even the bad ones. Redirecting their profits and passing it on to the public with tax removals sounds like a good idea to me.
Any jobs lost at GM or other CO’s will be replaced by all the companies building new offices and warehouses/ plants in the USA to get around Tarrifs.
Sounds good to me.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 18:24
by goose
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:17
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:13
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:11
Looks like you’re finally coming to terms that you lot seem to get away with it but somehow the USA won’t.
Silly nuts!
Getting away with what?
fantastic attempt at deflection btw.
Stop acting retarded you know full well what I mean.
Retarded like thinking a permanent tariff is transitory? That kind?
I’ve no idea why you’re bringing VAT into this. Unless you’re finally agreeing that tariffs are nothing more than a glorified sales tax?
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 18:17
by Nutsin
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:13
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:11
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:09
If VAT went up - yes. Same way NI contribution has gone up, and surprise surprise prices go up.
sounds like you’re finally getting to grips with how a cost increase works.
Looks like you’re finally coming to terms that you lot seem to get away with it but somehow the USA won’t.
Silly nuts!
Getting away with what?
fantastic attempt at deflection btw.
Stop acting retarded you know full well what I mean.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 18:13
by goose
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:11
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:09
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:06
What like VAT you mean?
If VAT went up - yes. Same way NI contribution has gone up, and surprise surprise prices go up.
sounds like you’re finally getting to grips with how a cost increase works.
Looks like you’re finally coming to terms that you lot seem to get away with it but somehow the USA won’t.
Silly nuts!
Getting away with what?
fantastic attempt at deflection btw.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 18:11
by Nutsin
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:09
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:06
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 17:53
No but I’m aware of the difference between a permanent cost increase and a transitory one.
What like VAT you mean?
If VAT went up - yes. Same way NI contribution has gone up, and surprise surprise prices go up.
sounds like you’re finally getting to grips with how a cost increase works.
Looks like you’re finally coming to terms that you lot seem to get away with it but somehow the USA won’t.
Silly nuts!
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 18:09
by goose
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 18:06
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 17:53
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 17:49
Oh fuck me the sky is falling again!
Soppy cսnt!
No but I’m aware of the difference between a permanent cost increase and a transitory one.
What like VAT you mean?
If VAT went up - yes. Same way NI contribution has gone up, and surprise surprise prices go up.
sounds like you’re finally getting to grips with how a cost increase works.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 18:06
by Nutsin
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 17:53
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 17:49
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 17:36
What?? Why will they come back down? Are the tariffs going to come off?
nope.
its a permanent increase in costs ‘silly nuts’.
Oh fuck me the sky is falling again!
Soppy cսnt!
No but I’m aware of the difference between a permanent cost increase and a transitory one.
What like VAT you mean?
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 17:53
by goose
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 17:49
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 17:36
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 17:33
Their costs will come back down again, it’s transitory.
Silly nuts!
What?? Why will they come back down? Are the tariffs going to come off?
nope.
its a permanent increase in costs ‘silly nuts’.
Oh fuck me the sky is falling again!
Soppy cսnt!
No but I’m aware of the difference between a permanent cost increase and a transitory one.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 17:49
by Nutsin
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 17:36
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 17:33
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 17:23
Hahaha
“good quarters and bad quarters”
So they’re all calling out the same risk but it’s just a bad quarter? And you call others clueless
btw GM sales were up but profits were down. They were down because their costs went up loads……. Can you guess why their costs went up?
Their costs will come back down again, it’s transitory.
Silly nuts!
What?? Why will they come back down? Are the tariffs going to come off?
nope.
its a permanent increase in costs ‘silly nuts’.
Oh fuck me the sky is falling again!
Soppy cսnt!
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 17:36
by goose
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 17:33
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 17:23
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 17:19
I think they will have good quarters and bad quarters, good companies adjust to market conditions, it’s nothing new.
Poor Goose!
Hahaha
“good quarters and bad quarters”
So they’re all calling out the same risk but it’s just a bad quarter? And you call others clueless
btw GM sales were up but profits were down. They were down because their costs went up loads……. Can you guess why their costs went up?
Their costs will come back down again, it’s transitory.
Silly nuts!
What?? Why will they come back down? Are the tariffs going to come off?
nope.
its a permanent increase in costs ‘silly nuts’.
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 17:33
by Nutsin
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 17:23
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 17:19
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 16:55
You think those 40+ companies are clueless?
are they lying? Or do you presume to know better than them?
I think they will have good quarters and bad quarters, good companies adjust to market conditions, it’s nothing new.
Poor Goose!
Hahaha
“good quarters and bad quarters”
So they’re all calling out the same risk but it’s just a bad quarter? And you call others clueless
btw GM sales were up but profits were down. They were down because their costs went up loads……. Can you guess why their costs went up?
Their costs will come back down again, it’s transitory.
Silly nuts!
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 17:23
by goose
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 17:19
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 16:55
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 16:53
You are clueless!
Whatever happened to all this Stagflation you’ve been banging on about?
Poor Goose.
You think those 40+ companies are clueless?
are they lying? Or do you presume to know better than them?
I think they will have good quarters and bad quarters, good companies adjust to market conditions, it’s nothing new.
Poor Goose!
Hahaha
“good quarters and bad quarters”
So they’re all calling out the same risk but it’s just a bad quarter? And you call others clueless
btw GM sales were up but profits were down. They were down because their costs went up loads……. Can you guess why their costs went up?
Re: The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)
Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 17:19
by Nutsin
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 16:55
Nutsin wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 16:53
goose wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025, 15:43
No. A small number of stocks are and they are driving it. Specifically tech which is untouched by tariffs and defence stocks.
Do you think those big companies are lying about the hit to their profits?
You are clueless!
Whatever happened to all this Stagflation you’ve been banging on about?
Poor Goose.
You think those 40+ companies are clueless?
are they lying? Or do you presume to know better than them?
I think they will have good quarters and bad quarters, good companies adjust to market conditions, it’s nothing new.
Poor Goose!
“good quarters and bad quarters”