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Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑09 Jan 2025, 16:53 SB, didn't Conceicao take the AC Milan job? Everton must have someone lined up, could it be the jock?

stubbo-admin wrote: ↑09 Jan 2025, 15:20 Interesting that he ducked the question about working with Steidten in today's presser...didn't even say something generic about their relationship but completely ignored it and started talking about his backroom team!

More changes to come maybe?!

El Scorchio" wrote: ↑09 Jan 2025, 16:35 Dyche sacked from Everton. Looks like we for once did this right with getting our man in pronto before that job opened up.

I guess you have to say well done to our lot for getting in there first.

El Scorchio" wrote: ↑09 Jan 2025, 16:35 Dyche sacked from Everton. Looks like we for once did this right with getting our man in pronto before that job opened up.

I guess you have to say well done to our lot for getting in there first.





Although i bet Sullivan is thinking 'Typical- if i'd just held on 24 hours I could have got Dyche....'

Jean-Luc Paul Goddard" wrote: ↑09 Jan 2025, 15:02 Even if Kudus didn't fall out with Lopetegui, the fact that such a highly valued player has gone downhill so much this season would have been seen as a very good reason to sack the manager. Same goes for Paqueta, although that may not much matter, depending on whether he gets banned. Sullivan would be looking at those two as assets for financing future transfers so any lowering of their value won't be tolerated for long.

Gank wrote: ↑09 Jan 2025, 14:45 Stiedten getting us Kudus makes him a hero in my book. I’ll trust him on Guilherme as a better alternative to Irvine at the very least.

Jean-Luc Paul Goddard" wrote: ↑09 Jan 2025, 14:16

southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑09 Jan 2025, 13:50

The only thing I'll point out is that it wasn't me who made the Caicedo comparison - I think it was Jean-Luc Paul Goddard (trust Sarge!). I agree that I think it's not a great comparison.

Likewise, I don't judge Steidten on the LG deal alone. I think he has a lot of other things he needs to fully explain. Can't say I've been too impressed with him thus far. I'm not seeing many pearls from the so-called pearl diver! I think that whole Chairman-Tech Director-Manager relationship needs work. It seems too loose and disjointed at the moment - with too much room for un-cordinated decisions to get made. Steidten has fallen out with both managers so far, and it's not clear who has been responsible for certain purchases etc.

Early days, but clearly we need to work (as a club) on the tech director's role and responsibilities.

 

I only brought up Caicedo when discussing what might be Steidten's remit from Sullivan. Can you not picture the £ signs in Sullivan's eyes when he saw all that luvverly profit and fancied a bit of that himself? You can bet your arse that Sullivan would have vetoed the Guilherme deal if he didn't think it was worth a punt. Anyway, all that has nothing to do with how he's been handled since then, but surely the manager had a big say on whether to loan him out or keep him in the 1st team squad.

Personally I always thought Steidten's reputation from Leverkusen was well overplayed, seeing as he was behind both a sporting director and a Director of Football there and was basically what in old money would simply be called the head scout, but it's very hard to know for sure how much to blame him for the current state of affairs at this club. How much influence does Sullivan still have on proceedings? How much input has he had to take from the head coach? Who knows? I've no problem with getting rid of him but the worry is that Sullivan decides to do without altogether and tries to take over the reins again.

Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑09 Jan 2025, 14:25

stubbo-admin wrote: ↑09 Jan 2025, 13:48

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑09 Jan 2025, 13:44 It's nothing about being revisionist as it was a straightforward question posed yesterday when asking people whether it was justified to sack him and virtually everyone that answered said yes. Then when it gets held up against someone else, the goalposts change. That also goes beyond WHO in the wider debate.

 

The trouble is you're essentially saying "are we in recession, should we change the government". 

It's much more nuanced than "how many points after how many games", which I'm sure you know anyway. But you've invented a single deciding criteria, ignored the others, and then are using that to try and prove a point.

If you want someone who agrees with you, suggest calling this guy:

https://x.com/GuillemBalague?t=0TtsbkML ... 0Heuw&s=09

Guillem Balague is incredibly butt hurt over him getting the sack.  He's a full on idiot to say he doesn't know where we've got this impression we should be finishing in the European places.

Why shouldn't we expect to finish there or therebouts with what we've spent, where we play and what we've recently just won?

Jean-Luc Paul Goddard" wrote: ↑09 Jan 2025, 14:16

southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑09 Jan 2025, 13:50

The only thing I'll point out is that it wasn't me who made the Caicedo comparison - I think it was Jean-Luc Paul Goddard (trust Sarge!). I agree that I think it's not a great comparison.

Likewise, I don't judge Steidten on the LG deal alone. I think he has a lot of other things he needs to fully explain. Can't say I've been too impressed with him thus far. I'm not seeing many pearls from the so-called pearl diver! I think that whole Chairman-Tech Director-Manager relationship needs work. It seems too loose and disjointed at the moment - with too much room for un-cordinated decisions to get made. Steidten has fallen out with both managers so far, and it's not clear who has been responsible for certain purchases etc.

Early days, but clearly we need to work (as a club) on the tech director's role and responsibilities.

 

I only brought up Caicedo when discussing what might be Steidten's remit from Sullivan. Can you not picture the £ signs in Sullivan's eyes when he saw all that luvverly profit and fancied a bit of that himself? You can bet your arse that Sullivan would have vetoed the Guilherme deal if he didn't think it was worth a punt. Anyway, all that has nothing to do with how he's been handled since then, but surely the manager had a big say on whether to loan him out or keep him in the 1st team squad.

Personally I always thought Steidten's reputation from Leverkusen was well overplayed, seeing as he was behind both a sporting director and a Director of Football there and was basically what in old money would simply be called the head scout, but it's very hard to know for sure how much to blame him for the current state of affairs at this club. How much influence does Sullivan still have on proceedings? How much input has he had to take from the head coach? Who knows? I've no problem with getting rid of him but the worry is that Sullivan decides to do without altogether and tries to take over the reins again.

stubbo-admin wrote: ↑09 Jan 2025, 13:48

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑09 Jan 2025, 13:44 It's nothing about being revisionist as it was a straightforward question posed yesterday when asking people whether it was justified to sack him and virtually everyone that answered said yes. Then when it gets held up against someone else, the goalposts change. That also goes beyond WHO in the wider debate.

 

The trouble is you're essentially saying "are we in recession, should we change the government". 

It's much more nuanced than "how many points after how many games", which I'm sure you know anyway. But you've invented a single deciding criteria, ignored the others, and then are using that to try and prove a point.

If you want someone who agrees with you, suggest calling this guy:

https://x.com/GuillemBalague?t=0TtsbkML ... 0Heuw&s=09

southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑09 Jan 2025, 13:50

The only thing I'll point out is that it wasn't me who made the Caicedo comparison - I think it was Jean-Luc Paul Goddard (trust Sarge!). I agree that I think it's not a great comparison.

Likewise, I don't judge Steidten on the LG deal alone. I think he has a lot of other things he needs to fully explain. Can't say I've been too impressed with him thus far. I'm not seeing many pearls from the so-called pearl diver! I think that whole Chairman-Tech Director-Manager relationship needs work. It seems too loose and disjointed at the moment - with too much room for un-cordinated decisions to get made. Steidten has fallen out with both managers so far, and it's not clear who has been responsible for certain purchases etc.

Early days, but clearly we need to work (as a club) on the tech director's role and responsibilities.