‚ö? West Ham v Nottm Forest - Official Match Thread

[charleyfarley]

". ........... V London Stadium Sun 12th Nov 14:00 GMT VAR Peter Bankes Michael Salisbury: (4) - 10 0 Areola, Coufal, Zouma ¬©, Aguerd, Emerson, ?Ålvarez, Souƒçek, Ward-Prowse, Paquet?°, Kudus, Bowen Subs: Fabia?Ñski (GK), Cresswell, Mavropanos, Kehrer, Ogbonna, Fornals, Benrahma, Ings, Antonio Vlachodimos, Aina, Niakhat?©, Murillo, Toffolo, Sangar?©, Mangala, Dom??nguez, Gibbs-White ¬©, Awoniyi, Elanga Subs: Turner (GK), Williams, Ayew, Wood, Yates, Aurier, Origi, Danilo, Boly West Ham 17/20: Draw 13/5: Notts Forest 3/1 ."

[Russ of the BML]

Threesixty: Without his dead-ball JWP is an average to poor midfielder running around. Fuck me. I've read it all now.

[Sir Alf]

The insanity or conundrum that is Soucek: Good he stayed on to get the goal that we needed to get because his presence in the team is a reason why we find ourselves behind in games in the first place?

[Willtell]

the exile 12:37 Tue Nov 14 Re: ‚ö? West Ham v Nottm Forest - Official Match Thread Willtell that's bollox - 360 is spot on with those comments. ---------------------------------------- Really? You think JWP is average without his dead ball expertise? He has a particular skill which is his dead ball expertise same as Messi has a wand of a left foot FFS! Yes I said that a lot of our squad aren't the best but that's what you get in our position. Better choices than most but not those with CL asperations or experience. Creswell has been an excellent full back and is a quality reserve when fit. He's getting back from an injury and while most would rather see a promising youngster it seems we don't have one.. Yes Soucek shouldn't be playing for most fans but I think I read somewhere that he's our second highest goal scorer. If he wasn't there we wouldn't have won against Forrest or would we...? I think we agree that without Moyes we would expect better than we get from the team. But let's not dis our own FFS! They just need better organisation and team management.

[Eerie Descent]

"Bowen would be an excellent central striker under a manager who knows how to get the best out of a football player up front. No one other than a battering ram is going to work under the current incumbent, as we all know. Personally I'd rather us not sign a striker in Jan, as I'd like us to sign someone in the summer that fits what the new manager wants. Pointless flogging someone else up there for half a season."

[Takashi Miike]

"""As for the issue of who plays on the left, the problem is that both Bowen and Kudus are left footed and Moyes likes his inverted wingers. But bollocks to that. It has to be one of those two"" spot on, but I'm not sure we'll see it. much like we won't see two advancing eights (jwp/paqueta) ahead of alvarez. paqueta doesn't even play advanced on the left, he mostly sits deep so emerson can get forward"

[the exile]

"Willtell that's bollox - 360 is spot on with those comments. Looking ahead, interesting issue as to who makes way if we get a new striker in January, which we have to do. For me it has to be Soucek, mainly because he simply doesn't contribute enough to our attacking play in midfield and could even be seen as a hindrance in that department. The other factor is that if we've got a decent striker we won't be so dependent on Soucek's goals. As for the issue of who plays on the left, the problem is that both Bowen and Kudus are left footed and Moyes likes his inverted wingers. But bollocks to that. It has to be one of those two, and Moyes if he had any sense would already be trying them out in that position. He could even interchange them within the same match - I know - a revolutionary idea. For me, Paqueta has to be the one who pulls the strings in the centre of midfield - he can make things happen and is in a totally different league to that passenger Soucek. Btw, I will be surprised if he gets his move to City in January."

[BRANDED]

The problem with our players is they WON the European Conference which enabled them to PLAY in the Europa League again this year and they WILL be in Europe again in the new year and COULD in theory win their next five games.

[Willtell]

That's a fairly daft way of looking at the team 360. Your comments on players is a bit like saying that Messi without his left foot is quite average. The reality is that most of our players are not quite good enough for Manchester City because that's what it is. They are still a good bunch on the verge of being great but for the managerial weakness...

[threesixty]

"Some of the problem with our team is that we have a lot of players that are almost ""single use"". They do one thing really well but a lot of the other things are average or poor. So it's really unpredictable what things will happen in any one game. JWP is a fairly average central mid with a phenomenal dead ball skill. If we dont get many corners or 3 kicks you just have an average to poor midfielder running around. Soucek seems to be coming late in the box or important headed goals in the final third. Other than that very slow, average or poor at everything else. Antonio in an unpredictable forward with strength and can get past defenders. But his actual accuracy is terrible and if he's not scoring he's fairly useless. Especially as he cant stay on his feet playing back to goal unlike any other league player doing the same job. Creswell - great left foot, one of the best assist records in the league. But everything else at the moment, very average to poor. You could go through half the team like this. Benny, Coufal etc.. It's kind of full of players with huge obvious flaws in their game but what they can do, it can be excellent. I thought a good coach would try to remove the bad parts of these players games but I dont think Moyes' can or even knows how to coach that way. Is he known for actually improving of fixing players? Or is he just good at assembling them? I dont really know. It feels like his way of fixing problems is changing their position if he can."

[fraser]

"I think out of our midfield players Paqueta is the most viable option to sit deep alongside Alvarez.. But then if we buy a striker that leaves only one place for Kudus or JWP, unless Moyes sticks Kudus out left... Which would be a waste.."

[Russ of the BML]

"I thought Paqueta, Ward-Prowse and Bowen were excellent. Kudus was decent but it never clicked on the day for him. We have the makings of a very decent side but there just seems to be a problem with cohesion and balance within the team. Soucek is an enigma. We were creaming at him to be taken off but Moyes took Alvarez off much to our disgust. But then Soucek pops up with the winner and could've had a hat-trick. Looking at his stats for the game he touched the ball only 30 times, attempted 17 passes and made 12 passes. 12 fucking passes in a PL game playing centre midfield. It's tragic. But then again, he got the winner and so, as my mate said, if he gets the winner its hard to criticise. But I feel that its Soucek that's the cause of the lack of cohesion and balance. But he's Moyes' Fellaini and so is alwasy going to play as he is capable of doing what he did Sunday. Fuck all and then scoring winner."

[fraser]

Manuel - I'll take that with the treble all day long :-)

[Manuel]

"Yes, the end of the dream was that England were stripped of the trophy for fielding an illegible player. Manneygate all over again."

[Manuel]

"Yes, the end of the dream was that England were stripped of the trophy for fielding an illegible player. Manneygate all over again."

[fraser]

Marshall is N.Irish.. Nice dream though.

[Manuel]

"davey - Funny enough I had a dream similar to that the other night, it was Saudi Arabia 2030 and just after completing the treble for West Ham, Mubama notched a hattrick in the final, Marshall notched two, with Orford lifting the Jules Rimet trophy after routing France 5-0 in the final."

[the exile]

Blimey daveyg! Can I have some of what you're on?

[daveyg]

"Jaye. Totally agree. Perfect timing. Moyes can claim we are safe in 9th. In the League Cup and Europa. He can look back in 20yrs with his great grand children and say he left West Ham in super condition. Left them the best youth team in the country. Made it easy for the next proactive,forward,attacking manager to step in and do the treble in a couple of years with the Academy producing half the team and contributing with several of them to go on and win the World Cup again.."

[RM10]

Let it all out moaners you have two weeks to write your scripts for not winning at Burnley or a fucking novel from Alf. ?üòÇ

[Sir Alf]

Moyes is going nowhere until summer so Soucek will remain a starter and we will continue to falter in his attempt to get s to get more possession and play thru teams and less direct He doesn’t understand that you need pace and movement across the team and having one player who doesn’t

[Lee Trundle]

"Considering he missed more easy chances than he scored from, he isn't even very good at that."

[the exile]

"To be fair to Alvarez, it clearly isn't part of his brief to make those sort of late runs into the box. Leave that to Soucek - after all, it's the only thing he's good at!"

[easthammer]

"El Scorchio I had a conversation about a player cam on Soucek with the guy next to me at the game Sunday. And I did indeed watch Soucek for a chunk of the time. Most of what I saw is reflected in the often-quoted stats on his performances. In the second - half he patrolled an area in the mid-field just in front of the back four and Alvarez. He marks space rather than a player. He jogs around in almost covering the space in a fashion like he is guarding the perimeter of that space. He was slow to close down players and his tackling was mainly just sticking a toe in. He made but token efforts of more adventurous forward passes, and not with much success. When Alvarez was withdrawn I expected him to sit deeper but the enigma that he is saw him make two great chances from deep runs, the one that hit the bar (very unlucky) and the header that was brilliantly saved. Then of course getting the winner. Three more positive attacking plays than Alvarez managed. As Greavesie said Funny Old Game"

[ludo21]

"The fact that we are a threat from corners / set pieces is fantastic! What is not to like about that! Bowen scored a great header from a corner and Aguerd, Zouma, Alvarez and Dinos can all contribute. Soucek is obviously a component part and he does have an uncanny ability to get his head on a cross. At the moment Soucek justifies his place in the starting line up. We do need to get a striker that can fit into our system and when we do Soucek should be the one to make way with Bowen and Paqueta reverting to their best positions. Do we want to buy a 'Moyes type' striker, if such a thing exists, or should we now hold off on the basis that Moyes's days are (hopefully) numbered?"

[El Scorchio]

"the exile 1:16 Yup- it's not cut and dried in the slightest, as you say. Doesn't offer much with the ball but joint second highest top scorer with Paqueta. I'd quite like to watch a player cam just on him to see what he does over the course of 90 minutes. Next home game I might try and just watch him for a chunk of time. He does always seem fairly anonymous. Either way, the manager is going to play him regardless so is it really worth all the constant angst? Especially after he's just scored the winning goal."