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"Let's face it. He was awful when he came on last night. Supporters clamber for youngsters to be given a chance, but they must seize their opportunities and prove their worth when given game time. Mubama fluffed his lines last night. He's clearly not good enough. Looks like a League 1 level player to me."

"I am far from a fan of this manager, I can't fucking stand him. However, one on one training, being a special player, it's all by the by. Anyone who knows their football can see this lad does not have the fundamentals, sadly. To be honest, I've been shocked at how bad he is on the admittedly few occasions he gets the ball to feet. It's like a bar of soap."

"There was a moment when we were under the cosh at the start of the second half and Mumaba received the ball and gave it straight back to Bristol City. Pathetic play. Moyes was absolutely livid with him on the touchline, and rightfully so. I doubt we will ever see the League 1 standard chump start another game under Moyes. I can see Ings as the preferred forward sub going forward. Moyes will not trust a player in Mubama who is quite patently out of his depth at this level."

"Moyes tends to throw players in and sees if they sink or swim. I wonder how much one on one work he has done with Mubama to prepare him for the way we play? Knowing what I know about Moyes attitude to youth players from sources within the club, I would guess very little."

"I think like most of us we desperately want to see our youth players make it at this club. But I’m also looking at the reality of what is happening. The youth team obviously plays a different way to the senior side and has done for a while now. Why that’s allowed to happen I do not know, but the reality is you can’t look at any of our youth as likely to make it. It’s not designed to. Secondly, what we need to make the difference for us to move into regular top 4/6 team is actually amazing players. Not just “ok”. And this is because of the way Moyes sets up. We rely on individual skill and brilliance rather than a team drilled to produce results. The players who we rely on are amongst the best in the whole league / Europe (Kudus, paqueta, Bowen). So expecting a player like Mubama to make it here is probably just silly of us. And I feel sorry for him as he’s done everything he can to be where he is, but the next step in this particular team looks impossible. Moyes needs “Arnie” level ability up top. That’s what kudus etc are. Players who can do it on their own. Mubama is not that. And I don’t think there are many strikers in the world like that for the money we would pay. This is why he’s always looking to convert people into that 9 position. The striker Moyes wants just don’t exist outside of the Hallands and Mbappes 100m gang. I’ll be surprised if he ever buys an out and out no.9 for the 1st team. (Or if one ever works if he does get one). Moyes seems far happier converting players for that role."

I often wonder how average Aguero could be made to look in our side?

"Haller, Hernandez, Scamacca, even Ings have had success before West Ham and mostly after too. I don't really think Mubama has looked much worse than any of the above which suggests to me that the problem isn't necessarily the player. Perhaps Mubama should be given a chance alongside Bown and Kudus, with Paqueta pulling strings in midfield? It won't happen under Moyes though as he clearly hates our youth team."

daveyg 11:20 Good accurate post.

"I don't want to be too harsh on the lad, as West Ham is a striker's graveyard under the dinosaur manager, but unfortunately, you can see from how he controls a football (as in he can't control a football) and his touch in general that he won't be a PL striker. With the amount of top training he would've received over the years, if he hasn't got those basics by now, then it's not going to happen for him. Hopefully he finds a path and has a good career in the lower leagues, no guarantee though."

"As mentioned Mubama indeed resembles a young Frank Nouble. At a young age their physicality makes them effective but that is negated at the top level and you have to have great technique, Blistering pace and or great finishing or all the above. Mubama looks like a good honest lad but has none of these and looks destined for lower league career. We hope to be proved wrong but the odds are firmly stacked against him being a Premiership player and at West Ham imho"

More like Frank Nouble. I just checked his wiki profile- fuck me he’s had some clubs

"Mubama will end up like Freddie Sears. Simply not good enough for the Premier League but just about decent in League One or possibly the Championship. He should be loaned out for a season, if anyone will have him."

"Antonio is shit under Moyes and he is the most prominent striker under Moyes. Bowen has looked shit at times as a loan striker. If a striker was running around looking like a headless chicken because the team behind him are so deep you would still look shit. This is what happens under Moyes. Everyone is to blame but the clueless vampire blood taking manager but Yoyo,Two and the rest of the Moyes fan club can't see this. The evidence is all out there. If Mubama had been given as many minutes as Benrhama or Ings or even better minutes in virtually every game,this entirely possible as there has been every game when subs have not been utilised then we would have a better picture. I Still see the Mubama that changed the game against Burnley. What the other youth team players must think when they watch this shit treatment of their fellow team mates JC knows. Moyes must go for the benefit of everyone otherwise the club will fall further behind the likes of Villa and Brighton"

RdUeSpSrEeLsLsed 8:49 Mon Jan 8 Re: Mubama Haaland would looks as shit in this Moyesball way of playing when the creative players are missing. Does everyone think there are no strikers out there that suit counter attacking football? Granted they need more than others but they do exist

RdUeSpSrEeLsLsed 8:49 Mon Jan 8 Re: Mubama Haaland would looks as shit in this Moyesball way of playing when the creative players are missing. Does everyone think there are no strikers out there that suit counter attacking football? Granted they need more than others but they do exist

Alfs Moyes begrudgingly gave Rooney his debut. Listen to Rooney himself on YouTube when asked about Moyes giving him his debut. He stops the journalist and corrects him that it was Gerguson who demanded he played against Moyes apparent better judgement. He DESTROYS youth and strikers usually. I do feel however that Mubama isn't up to scratch as a prem striker though.

"Moyes can’t use strikers, that’s a given, but I would at least expect to see him be able to control and pass a ball. He seems to lack the basics for me."

Looks a talent and sure he will come good given more game time.

Clearly he's not. He's saying moyes can't use strikers in his boring turgid system.

"""Haaland would looks as shit in this Moyesball way of playing' Fuck me RdUe? You are not seriously comparing Halland to Mubama! Got to be on a wind up surely..........."

"Obviously needs to get loaned out.Its too early yet to right the fella off as he’s scored loads in the youth set up.However the premiership is the best league in the world by a distance,only a handful of homegrown players cut the mustard. Fodens the first to springs to mind sure there’s one or two others. Wish the bloke well but can’t see it,happy to be proved wrong."

Haaland would looks as shit in this Moyesball way of playing when the creative players are missing.

"He’s way off RdU, sorry. Moyes style doesn’t help him, sure, but he’s a million miles away. Lacks real pace, awful touch, passing terrible, poor movement. He doesn’t even work hard. If he is pissed off at lack of opportunities, you’d at least think he’d bust a gut. He doesn’t. Scores goals at junior levels, but so did Freddie Sears. Sears had way more in a weaker era than this kid and had most of his career at Ipswich and Colchester in League One."

Sorry Manual I never realised I was dealing with top level coaches and scouts on here. Harry Kane was sent on loan loads and nearly written off.

"RdU - Can you really not see that he doesn't possess the basics to be a PL forward? And remember that wasn't either a PL side he was playing against. It doesn't matter who the coach is standing on the touchline for fucks sake, it's clear that he is miles off in every aspect required."

He's shit