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"Why are so few people in the media talking about this? Article in The Lancet from Jan this year highlighted ""Many countries, including the UK, have continued to experience an apparent excess of deaths long after the peaks associated with the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020 and 2021.1,2 Numbers of excess deaths estimated in this period are considerable."" 25-49 year olds the number of excess deaths was 11% higher, while 50-64 years olds the increase was 15%. the main cause of death driving these results is cardiovascular diseases. 50-64 year olds saw a 33% higher than expected rate of excess deaths from cardiovascular disease. is it the after effects of COVID? is it the jab? or is there something else going on that is leading to the deaths of thousands of young and middle aged people?"

"Lee Trundle 1:34 Fri Mar 29 Re: Excess Deaths I like OTB so I won't go into it too much, but I find it incredible there's still people out there banging to COVID vaccination drum. It did nothing. It didn't protect you, it didn't protect others. If anything, it's harmed a number of people that took it. ‚Äê-------------------- I still chuckle at someone posting as ""fact"" and over ruling the World Health Organisation, all the science and medically qualified, because he has got the the alternative truth from listening to Podcasters looking for ?üëç Btw what is the Nurse (not WHO's) up to these days?"

"By now, with covid still around it is likely that more people have been infected than people jabbed ( lots of people have been jabbed but lots chose not to be or they simply had the initial two jabs and then no more ). So as Goose asks are we seeing long term effects in the population that are being caused by being jabbed or being infected with covid ( many people too have been infected more than once ) This is what the Mayo clinic has to say. Long COVID is a real illness and can result in chronic conditions that require comprehensive care. There are resources available. Long COVID can include a wide range of ongoing health problems; these conditions can last weeks, months, or years. Long COVID occurs more often in people who had severe COVID-19 illness, but anyone who has been infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 can experience it. People who are not vaccinated against COVID-19 and become infected may have a higher risk of developing Long COVID compared to people who have been vaccinated. People can be reinfected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, multiple times. Each time a person is infected or reinfected with SARS-CoV-2, they have a risk of developing Long COVID. While most people with Long COVID have evidence of infection or COVID-19 illness, in some cases, a person with Long COVID may not have tested positive for the virus or known they were infected. CDC and partners are working to understand more about who experiences Long COVID and why, including whether groups disproportionately impacted by COVID-19 are at higher risk."

"I like OTB so I won't go into it too much, but I find it incredible there's still people out there banging to COVID vaccination drum. It did nothing. It didn't protect you, it didn't protect others. If anything, it's harmed a number of people that took it."

"Nagel, I see what you mean about spikes because of Covid coming into play, but you’d have thought that years ago, when these figures had already been gathered and analysed for donkeys years previously, then there would’ve been agreed principals for how things such as Covid should be taken into account. That kind of thing should really have been set in stone. Whereas this just feels like they’ve used one way of looking at things, decided they didn’t like the results, so have conveniently come up with a different way of doing it?"

"If you're interested in the lab leak cover up theory, Matt Ridley gives a good account on Spiked with Brendan O' Neil. https://youtu.be/AolXUDL9SVA?si=mtknOGiUacVWAOMg"

"Exiled.... Height shortening.... You sure, as every school kid seems to tower over me these days?! Mind you at 5'5 they all towered over me when I was at school!"

Life expectancy falling Height shortening Obesity rising in the UK Hardly evolution.

"Not 100% sure, but I think that the methodology for the figures quoted by Goose were the outlier and now they've gone back to how they used to do it (basically the average over the last 5 years). They did it a different way than usual to try to avoid COVID messing with the average figures too much, but ended up going too far as it effectively ignored the strain on the NHS, any COVID related deaths, etc. Now, I suspect they've gone too far the other way to avoid it looking like the NHS might be at fault in any way. Apparently excess deaths have been on the rise since 2010 and pre-COVID it was linked to austerity measures forcing NHS cuts."

"""on both sides of the coin"" That would imply everything is binary. however if you had a 100 sided coin the chance of any of the numbers coming up is one in a hundred. You can over time have a level of certainty in your belief which could be 0-100% not just yes and no."

"Nagel, I might be being naive here, but how can they change the way in which they end up with overall figures? They have the official death rate stats going back decades, so taking into account population growth, there will be an average death rate for each of the age groups. So each year they have the figures for deaths that particular year and it’s either above or below the given average? If they’ve been doing this for years and are now changing the way they’re doing it all of a sudden, suggests to me they shouldn’t have been responsible for carrying it out in the first place? I’m probably missing something here maybe, but genuinely can’t see why working out death rates, and comparing it with previous years would be so difficult?"

This explains it pretty well at 7:15 minutes in https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001wq77

OTB injects himself with the vaccine every day before going off to do a hard days work tik tok dancing

"I have to admit I do like looking at statistics. But they have to be looked at carefully and with an open mind, You shouldn’t jump to conclusions without extensive research. As a species, I think the human race is increasing still."

"I have to admit I do like looking at statistics. But they have to be looked at carefully and with an open mind, You shouldn’t jump to conclusions without extensive research. As a species, I think the human race is increasing still."

37% of statistics are wrong.

Matthew Holmes 12:45 Fri Mar 29 Saw that interview and then looked up John O'Looney and turns out he was a massive anti Vaxxer and covid denier from the start. Or at least he thought it was nothing more than a cold until he ended up in intensive care after catching it and rather humbly admitted to his followers that it can be a tad nasty! Not saying he is wrong but on both sides of the coin there seem to be people with certain agendas and quite frankly it becomes difficult on who to believe. Middle of the road experts don't seem to exist! At the start of it all I used to watch John Campbell and he seemed the voice of reason and most people in the comments seemed regular concerned citizens but since he has changed tack there are a lot of far out views on there. Of course these You Tubers can make a lot of money so the more radical I suspect the more views they get.

"There is these reports of weird rubbery clots forming in the arteries. Never existed before 2021. Nothing never. There is an undertaker talking about it on YOuTube the excellently named John O'Looney. Also dr john Campbells channel has tonnes on this now, but at the start of the pandemic he was 100% in line with the official advice. He seems to genuinely have followed the science. Tinfoil hat on!"

"Something fishy going on and a sign of the times they'd rather cover it up than investigate. Which makes me think they know what's going on. I reckon the vaccine has some role in it, but also the NhS going down th3 tubes and probably lots of other things. Shocking that its not being treated seriously."

Chronic underfunding generally NHS England will have £164.9 billion this year. Fucking imbecile

"OtB Its called free speech, some people may not like it, but its important. All civil rights depend on this principle. The NHS as a whole behaved appalingly during COVID. That doesn't mean that people in the NHS didn't work hard, they did. So did supermarket workers and binmen. The NHS is a massive sponge on the economy and should never have been allowed to become politicised."

"Why do we need people and the media speculating over things they don't understand? The NHS knows and is relatively comfortable with it. Chronic underfunding generally, chronic underfunding in the ambulance service, conditions undiagnosed and late-diagnosed due to COVID, health inequalities (big thing I'm working on at the moment), general declining health..... lots of factors that while they're not good, they're also not a single thing to be concerned about (like the thing too many want it to be). And watch the ONS video about the change in the way it's done. It's perfectly sensible. The video is worded nice and simple in the hope that people would find it harder to deliberately misunderstand it."

"Its worth remembering that when this first hit, one of the first things the govt did was to draw up a new set of guidelines for Ofcom that every broadcaster had to sign up to. this has never been rescinded. The second was changing the dictionary definition of the word ""vaccine"". Nothing to look at really."

It's just data. Unless it really indicates that lock downs and vaccines for the healthy were a big mistake.

Luckily they have recalibrated how excess deaths are counted so good news for all those families that lost loved ones - they didn’t die according to new official data which is better than the old official data. In our lifetime there will be some lengthy prison sentences. Another 5 to 10 years and I think even the most compliant bbc / cnn consumer will begin to twig.

Did they not recalculate all the previous data using the new paradigm to allow a proper comparioson to be made (by Joe Public)?