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Posted: **12 Sep 2024, 11:11**

anyone concerned for their job yet? i've been using it in mine and I can see the writing on the wall before they decide to cut out the middle man. in 20 years I can see a lot of white collar jobs disappearing, with not enough jobs to go around what's the solution, universal wage?

Posted: **29 Apr 2025, 07:50**

Can it pick the team/bench for our next game?

Posted: **28 Apr 2025, 20:21**

A.i. is the bess

Posted: **28 Apr 2025, 16:56**

Swiss. wrote: ↑28 Apr 2025, 14:53
Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑28 Apr 2025, 14:09
Swiss. wrote: ↑28 Apr 2025, 13:35 We use it for producing meetinmg minutrs from recorded transcripts of Teams Meetings. It good as it saves a lot of time and personally I hate writing up minutes (usually avoided as the PMO do it. However I's say about 95% is coirrect and you willm get 1-3 statements which are totally unture. So they need a personal review.

I guess AI has replace the PM's junior assistant who used to take them.

Did Chat GPT write that post for you?

Obvisly nott

Posted: **28 Apr 2025, 16:48**

I sometimes use it in class to generate questions.

I do not like ai or where it's going

Posted: **28 Apr 2025, 14:59**

AI has been around for ages but is being re-packaged. It's just programing. Like when you you visit a website and suddenly you get all these spam email relating to these products or when I open up msn the first football story headline is alway about West Ham. Total coincidence of course .

Posted: **28 Apr 2025, 14:53**

Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑28 Apr 2025, 14:09
Swiss. wrote: ↑28 Apr 2025, 13:35 We use it for producing meetinmg minutrs from recorded transcripts of Teams Meetings. It good as it saves a lot of time and personally I hate writing up minutes (usually avoided as the PMO do it. However I's say about 95% is coirrect and you willm get 1-3 statements which are totally unture. So they need a personal review.

I guess AI has replace the PM's junior assistant who used to take them.

Did Chat GPT write that post for you?

Obvisly nott

Posted: **28 Apr 2025, 14:09**

Swiss. wrote: ↑28 Apr 2025, 13:35 We use it for producing meetinmg minutrs from recorded transcripts of Teams Meetings. It good as it saves a lot of time and personally I hate writing up minutes (usually avoided as the PMO do it. However I's say about 95% is coirrect and you willm get 1-3 statements which are totally unture. So they need a personal review.

I guess AI has replace the PM's junior assistant who used to take them.

Did Chat GPT write that post for you?

Posted: **28 Apr 2025, 13:35**

We use it for producing meetinmg minutrs from recorded transcripts of Teams Meetings. It good as it saves a lot of time and personally I hate writing up minutes (usually avoided as the PMO do it. However I's say about 95% is coirrect and you willm get 1-3 statements which are totally unture. So they need a personal review.

I guess AI has replace the PM's junior assistant who used to take them.

Posted: **26 Apr 2025, 12:28**

zebthecat wrote: ↑26 Apr 2025, 12:06
Monsieur merde de cheval" wrote: ↑26 Apr 2025, 01:31 anyone still use a PEN ?
handwritten letters...that kind of thing?

I do.
It started out as journalling for therapy but branched out into writing and art for its own sake. Mostly use dip pens (big fat italic nibs are my favourites) and brushes to paint with ink.

It really takes all sorts to folliow West Ham. What a great hobby/interest to have. I feel like having a go.

im a chef, so probably one of the last trades to fall victim to AI. Unfortunately.. . . I'd be first in the queue for a bit of UBI.

Posted: **26 Apr 2025, 12:06**

Monsieur merde de cheval" wrote: ↑26 Apr 2025, 01:31 anyone still use a PEN ?
handwritten letters...that kind of thing?

I do.
It started out as journalling for therapy but branched out into writing and art for its own sake. Mostly use dip pens (big fat italic nibs are my favourites) and brushes to paint with ink.

Posted: **26 Apr 2025, 09:53**

Handwriting is a lost art. My handwriting has always been terrible, but it’s a shame everything is just typed.

Back to AI, GPT-5 and its competitor versions will be game changing for white collar workers, so you have to find ways to adapt now. Essentially, the work of mid and lower tier white collar jobs will be under threat in the next couple of years as AI can automate a lot of what people do.

This is our generations closure of the coal mines, so adapt or get left behind.

I don’t fancy government UBI personally.

Posted: **26 Apr 2025, 09:04**

Monsieur merde de cheval" wrote: ↑26 Apr 2025, 01:31 anyone still use a PEN ?
handwritten letters...that kind of thing?

thought about this the other day when I had to hand write something and got a bit of hand cramp and my writing was slower and less tidy than it used to be. Barely ever a real need to use one these days for me personally

Posted: **26 Apr 2025, 01:31**

anyone still use a PEN ?
handwritten letters...that kind of thing?

Posted: **03 Apr 2025, 05:07**

Mr Anon" wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025, 23:05
wils wrote: ↑01 Apr 2025, 21:59
Vexed wrote: ↑01 Apr 2025, 17:51 By 2027 at the latest some companies will be paying a hefty subscription to AI firms for a service that codes rather than employing actual coders. Quicker, cheaper and less noncey than traditional meat based coders. Probably sooner than 2027 in reality, we could have early AGI by then.

No chance. It's not even good enough to reliably bug fix or code review. This scenario is 10 years away at least if it ever happens at all.

If it ever happens at all? Sorry but you're living in Narnia, it will exponentially get better and better. People were saying that about chess computers a year or two before they became.unbeatable

Nothing "AI" about chess computers; they just rely on speed to compute the most likely winning end move from any given position. I have a backgammon program on my PC that works the same way; difficult as fuck - but not impossible - to beat.

Posted: **02 Apr 2025, 23:05**

wils wrote: ↑01 Apr 2025, 21:59
Vexed wrote: ↑01 Apr 2025, 17:51 By 2027 at the latest some companies will be paying a hefty subscription to AI firms for a service that codes rather than employing actual coders. Quicker, cheaper and less noncey than traditional meat based coders. Probably sooner than 2027 in reality, we could have early AGI by then.

No chance. It's not even good enough to reliably bug fix or code review. This scenario is 10 years away at least if it ever happens at all.

If it ever happens at all? Sorry but you're living in Narnia, it will exponentially get better and better. People were saying that about chess computers a year or two before they became.unbeatable

Posted: **02 Apr 2025, 22:45**

your thoughts on copyright & whether they'll be able to enforce it given the gate has been open for an age now...

Link: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... right-bill

interesting informative post below, not being very pc literate like, cheers

Posted: **02 Apr 2025, 21:32**

Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025, 17:07 I don't believe AI, as it is currently understood (by both laymen and experts) does pose that much of a risk to middle & middling jobs.

What will be a bigger disruptor is Business Process Automation as many Business Processes are simple logical steps, often based on a train of (previous) answers to questions.

There is a great reluctance to even document, let alone share for analysis, such processes in almost every industry in every country, and this documentation will need to take place in order to allow AI to "learn", if it's to be involved at all.

Very many everyday interactions we already have with organisations are so automated, but no AI is involved, and won't need to be.

I agree with you especially with the large language models which still need to be policed rigorously for hallucinations. The uat testing would be horrendous.

Code generation has been here for yonks and, thankfully, has taken a lot of drudgery out of writing code. I have been doing this for 32 years now and it has done me well. AI will, at some point, be ready but the job will shift to driving the code generation and DevOps but you will always need human interaction with the business analysts and the actual business to create working software that does what is required.

Interestingly both my father and son are working on medical research using AI for very different but also very specific purposes with the AIs trained on niche scientific data sets and papers. That sort of pattern recognition is where it really is so much better than humans right now.

Posted: **02 Apr 2025, 17:07**

I don't believe AI, as it is currently understood (by both laymen and experts) does pose that much of a risk to middle & middling jobs.

What will be a bigger disruptor is Business Process Automation as many Business Processes are simple logical steps, often based on a train of (previous) answers to questions.

There is a great reluctance to even document, let alone share for analysis, such processes in almost every industry in every country, and this documentation will need to take place in order to allow AI to "learn", if it's to be involved at all.

Very many everyday interactions we already have with organisations are so automated, but no AI is involved, and won't need to be.

Posted: **02 Apr 2025, 16:40**

Vexed wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025, 15:06
wils wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025, 12:47
Vexed wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025, 01:03
https://techcrunch.com/2025/03/05/opena ... ai-agents/

You hear that, Mr Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability....

That's a vague description of what they are launching. You can be sure it won't be writing code and if it does it will be some boiler plate stuff that will need human software engineers to review before going anywhere near production. I write code for a living and we use the latest AI tools in that process. It's very limited in what it can do and it's nowhere near good enough to produce a single line of code that can go near production without it being reviewed by an experienced team of developers. I also build and train AI models intended for commercial use. Something I got into partly out of wariness that they could one day replace software engineers. The latest AI is not even close to being able to write production code without the need for software engineers. It can aid the process but that's it. It's a long way away from being able to replace engineers. No chance of it happening by 2027 despite what the AI evangelists would have you believe.

You're not using the latest AI. You're using the retail muck about edition of chimp level AI. We're going to see massive advances in the next year or two and I reckon you'll change your mind. Sure, people will still need some people to architect the building of software, although even that could diminish given the progress of some of the agentic models emerging. 90% of coding is generic and is the absolute ideal candidate for AI. It's gonna happen, dont be the book keeper that got upset when they invented the calculator, just think you'll spend less time in the company of annoying, sweaty, long haired, metal band t-shirt with a curry stain wearing, dark web nonces with personality issues - aka mid level coders - and more time with your feet up making sure your swarm of obedient AI droids are doing their thing doing your bidding. I'm personally looking forward to not having to speak to any of those aforementioned mid level devs, they are truly the biggest dickheads in any organisation.

I admire your optimism. But I think those mid level devs aren't going anywhere for a decade or more. That's if they ever do go anywhere. I find your theory a bit like those who thought automation would usher in a world of leisure. It's just not going to pan out the way you think it will. AI will be a tool for developers to increase productivity but it won't replace them. It will just increase the pace of devlopment lifecycle and consequently the demand for engineers to keep pace. Their jobs will change as they always have but they will still be in demand.

Your idea of a modern tech worker is a bit dated. You'd be lucky to work somewhere with people as interesting as you described. The reality is a lot worse. And there's no one more numbed than me by years of having to work with the sort of people who inhabit the tech sector. The auxiliary staff are just as awful albeit for different reasons. Working from home has been a life saver in that respect. But they are fairly secure for a good few years yet.

Posted: **02 Apr 2025, 15:06**

wils wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025, 12:47
Vexed wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025, 01:03
wils wrote: ↑01 Apr 2025, 21:59
No chance. It's not even good enough to reliably bug fix or code review. This scenario is 10 years away at least if it ever happens at all.

https://techcrunch.com/2025/03/05/opena ... ai-agents/

You hear that, Mr Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability....

That's a vague description of what they are launching. You can be sure it won't be writing code and if it does it will be some boiler plate stuff that will need human software engineers to review before going anywhere near production. I write code for a living and we use the latest AI tools in that process. It's very limited in what it can do and it's nowhere near good enough to produce a single line of code that can go near production without it being reviewed by an experienced team of developers. I also build and train AI models intended for commercial use. Something I got into partly out of wariness that they could one day replace software engineers. The latest AI is not even close to being able to write production code without the need for software engineers. It can aid the process but that's it. It's a long way away from being able to replace engineers. No chance of it happening by 2027 despite what the AI evangelists would have you believe.

You're not using the latest AI. You're using the retail muck about edition of chimp level AI. We're going to see massive advances in the next year or two and I reckon you'll change your mind. Sure, people will still need some people to architect the building of software, although even that could diminish given the progress of some of the agentic models emerging. 90% of coding is generic and is the absolute ideal candidate for AI. It's gonna happen, dont be the book keeper that got upset when they invented the calculator, just think you'll spend less time in the company of annoying, sweaty, long haired, metal band t-shirt with a curry stain wearing, dark web nonces with personality issues - aka mid level coders - and more time with your feet up making sure your swarm of obedient AI droids are doing their thing doing your bidding. I'm personally looking forward to not having to speak to any of those aforementioned mid level devs, they are truly the biggest dickheads in any organisation.

Posted: **02 Apr 2025, 12:47**

Vexed wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025, 01:03
wils wrote: ↑01 Apr 2025, 21:59
Vexed wrote: ↑01 Apr 2025, 17:51 By 2027 at the latest some companies will be paying a hefty subscription to AI firms for a service that codes rather than employing actual coders. Quicker, cheaper and less noncey than traditional meat based coders. Probably sooner than 2027 in reality, we could have early AGI by then.

No chance. It's not even good enough to reliably bug fix or code review. This scenario is 10 years away at least if it ever happens at all.

https://techcrunch.com/2025/03/05/opena ... ai-agents/

You hear that, Mr Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability....

That's a vague description of what they are launching. You can be sure it won't be writing code and if it does it will be some boiler plate stuff that will need human software engineers to review before going anywhere near production. I write code for a living and we use the latest AI tools in that process. It's very limited in what it can do and it's nowhere near good enough to produce a single line of code that can go near production without it being reviewed by an experienced team of developers. I also build and train AI models intended for commercial use. Something I got into partly out of wariness that they could one day replace software engineers. The latest AI is not even close to being able to write production code without the need for software engineers. It can aid the process but that's it. It's a long way away from being able to replace engineers. No chance of it happening by 2027 despite what the AI evangelists would have you believe.

Posted: **02 Apr 2025, 01:03**

wils wrote: ↑01 Apr 2025, 21:59
Vexed wrote: ↑01 Apr 2025, 17:51 By 2027 at the latest some companies will be paying a hefty subscription to AI firms for a service that codes rather than employing actual coders. Quicker, cheaper and less noncey than traditional meat based coders. Probably sooner than 2027 in reality, we could have early AGI by then.

No chance. It's not even good enough to reliably bug fix or code review. This scenario is 10 years away at least if it ever happens at all.

https://techcrunch.com/2025/03/05/opena ... ai-agents/

You hear that, Mr Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability....

Posted: **01 Apr 2025, 21:59**

Vexed wrote: ↑01 Apr 2025, 17:51 By 2027 at the latest some companies will be paying a hefty subscription to AI firms for a service that codes rather than employing actual coders. Quicker, cheaper and less noncey than traditional meat based coders. Probably sooner than 2027 in reality, we could have early AGI by then.

No chance. It's not even good enough to reliably bug fix or code review. This scenario is 10 years away at least if it ever happens at all.

Posted: **01 Apr 2025, 20:12**

Probably sooner than people thought Vexed re-Agi...

Link: OpenAI raises $40bn in deal with SoftBank that values it at $300bn | OpenAI | The Guardian

Posted: **01 Apr 2025, 17:51**

By 2027 at the latest some companies will be paying a hefty subscription to AI firms for a service that codes rather than employing actual coders. Quicker, cheaper and less noncey than traditional meat based coders. Probably sooner than 2027 in reality, we could have early AGI by then.

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