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southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑16 Feb 2025, 10:14

Sir Alf" wrote: ↑16 Feb 2025, 09:44 Good summary Nutsin. Potter reverted to a back 4 and got central midfield wrong relying on the slowest double pivot central midfield in the Premiership. A back 3 seems a better fit but also when Paqueta dropped deeper we had 3 in the central mid and stopped Brentford having so much space to run into when they countered. As u say, Paqueta has to play deeper with the game ahead of him.

Not writing Potter off yet but he has to learn we cannot  play a 2 person central midfield of Alvarez and Soucek and that Mavro in a 4 man back 4 us going to be risky. Hopefully wont see either mistakes repeated?  Main other thing we need is Ferguson and Todibo to get and stay fit

Yeah, interesting summaries, Alf and Nutsin.

I also think it’s far too early to judge Potter. These are not his players and there’s just no way he’d have signed most of them. I’m not saying he’ll rip it up at West Ham (who knows), but his teams don’t generally look like us right now.

This old, slow and tired squad has a LOT of problems. But by far the biggest problem I can see is in central defence.

Nutsin summed it up nicely: “Mavrapanos still getting in the side as a starter makes you wonder just how good he must show at practice all week because on match day he is always one of the worse players on the field.”

Its not that Mavrapanos is any good - he’s fucking terrible. A mistake waiting to happen. It’s just that we don’t have any depth, and the other centre halves are also woeful - or injury prone.

We’ve spent (or agreed to spend) a small  fortune on some absolute dross. Kilman is the worst £40m footballer I’ve ever seen. He has the turning circle of an oil tanker and regularly gets destroyed for pace over ten yards - let alone 20+. It means we can’t really play, or get, high up the pitch quickly enough. So he forces us to play a way that Potter probably doesn’t want. Absolute waste of that huge outlay. Slow, off the pace mentally, and too easily exposed because of it. His saving grace is that he doesn’t really make “mistakes” like Mavrapanos - and he is a battler. It’s just that his physical attributes are poor for the modern Premier League, where opponents are often athletes more than footballers.

Mavrapanos was in excess of £20m. We've agreed to spend £34m on Todibo, who is a good player but injury prone - and clearly nursing his way through the season. And we spent £30m on Aguerd who started well, deteriorated under Moyes and then got loaned out by a hopeless manager who had no idea what he was doing.

Thats £125m worth of “talent” and we’re catastrophically poor at the back.

Fixing that will take some doing. Who, for example, will want to sign Kilman at his fee/wages - unless it’s a move like a return to Wolves for half the money?

Moyes and Lopetegui royally lumped us in it.

The Swiss left back (Hajdari) looks a unit. Seems to love a sliding tackle. Can see us getting our worth with VAR if he signs on the line.?

And given those fantastic stats, the two teams after him are newly promoted Leeds, and.....

David Moyes' Everon.

I was clearly specifically talking about when assisting that is comparable to Paquetas total amount. 

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑23 May 2025, 13:09

..Because he's that bad at passing
 

Not if you're hard of reading, son.

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑23 May 2025, 13:09

dealcanvey wrote: ↑23 May 2025, 09:33

Rossal wrote: ↑23 May 2025, 08:11

Aside from a healthy 9 goals, what other stats are impressive? 

 

 

9 goals was 20% of our goals this season. That’s more than healthy.

as for other stats. More assists than paqueta. Defensively had more interceptions, clearances, Ariel battles won than Paqueta and Alvarez. Also won more duels than he lost unlike the other pair.

We have to get it right this summer or we get relegated. Would rather keep Soucek than the other two for reasons already stated. I’d take a player who wants to be here and fight for the badge over a technically gifted footballer but offering little else.

30m would be a good number to get for Soucek but his boots are bigger to fill than some might think. Also we have to rely on the club recruiting right, something we have not seen for some time. 

Don't worry, some often easily dismiss the hardest thing to do in the game when goals are scored when it comes to discussing Soucek. Yeah, but what else has he done for us? No, he's scored almost double figure's again for us for a 3rd year out of 5 full seasons as a predominant Defensive Midfielder. Not even Rodri in a Man City side can do better than his goalscoring return when judging him as a goalscoring central Midfielder on that ability alone.

And like you say about Paqueta, Soucek surprisingly has assisted as many goals as he has which shows how well he punches above his weight in that department which isn't really his game.

Soucek   PL Assists - 9  - Overall Assists - 13
Paqueta PL Assists - 9  - Overall Assists - 14
Kudus    PL Assists - 12  - Overall Assists - 13
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..Because he's that bad at passing

That's before we get on to the rest of his battling stats like being 1 of the best at winning headers down the years.

All some want to do is fixate on his passing stats which is never his main job in the Team. 

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑23 May 2025, 13:09

dealcanvey wrote: ↑23 May 2025, 09:33

Rossal wrote: ↑23 May 2025, 08:11

Aside from a healthy 9 goals, what other stats are impressive? 

 

 

9 goals was 20% of our goals this season. That’s more than healthy.

as for other stats. More assists than paqueta. Defensively had more interceptions, clearances, Ariel battles won than Paqueta and Alvarez. Also won more duels than he lost unlike the other pair.

We have to get it right this summer or we get relegated. Would rather keep Soucek than the other two for reasons already stated. I’d take a player who wants to be here and fight for the badge over a technically gifted footballer but offering little else.

30m would be a good number to get for Soucek but his boots are bigger to fill than some might think. Also we have to rely on the club recruiting right, something we have not seen for some time. 

Don't worry, some often easily dismiss the hardest thing to do in the game when goals are scored when it comes to discussing Soucek. Yeah, but what else has he done for us? No, he's scored almost double figure's again for us for a 3rd year out of 5 full seasons as a predominant Defensive Midfielder. Not even Rodri in a Man City side can do better than his goalscoring return when judging him as a goalscoring central Midfielder on that ability alone.

And like you say about Paqueta, Soucek surprisingly has assisted as many goals as he has which shows how well he punches above his weight in that department which isn't really his game.

Soucek   PL Assists - 9  - Overall Assists - 13
Paqueta PL Assists - 9  - Overall Assists - 14
Kudus    PL Assists - 12  - Overall Assists - 13
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..Because he's that bad at passing

That's before we get on to the rest of his battling stats like being 1 of the best at winning headers down the years.

All some want to do is fixate on his passing stats which is never his main job in the Team. 

dealcanvey wrote: ↑23 May 2025, 09:33

Rossal wrote: ↑23 May 2025, 08:11

dealcanvey wrote: ↑23 May 2025, 06:58 Undecided about whether selling Soucek is a good idea.

rumours that paqueta and Alvarez want out. Surely they go first then? If they are adequately replaced then and only then would look to sell him. Have my doubts the club is capable of doing that in one window. Soler and Rodriguez signings were poor.

Souceks stats are impressive. Coming up with numbers that you would expect from the much more technically gifted Paqueta. His mentality and commitment is miles ahead and this gets overlooked.

Soucek is one of the last few players in the squad that actually plays for the badge. 








 

Aside from a healthy 9 goals, what other stats are impressive? 

 

 

9 goals was 20% of our goals this season. That’s more than healthy.

as for other stats. More assists than paqueta. Defensively had more interceptions, clearances, Ariel battles won than Paqueta and Alvarez. Also won more duels than he lost unlike the other pair.

We have to get it right this summer or we get relegated. Would rather keep Soucek than the other two for reasons already stated. I’d take a player who wants to be here and fight for the badge over a technically gifted footballer but offering little else.

30m would be a good number to get for Soucek but his boots are bigger to fill than some might think. Also we have to rely on the club recruiting right, something we have not seen for some time. 

He has not spent his own money - I thought that much was clear?

In fact he has made money by loaning to the club an earning interest on those loans.

His claims to have "spent money" was referring the the interest rates he charges West Ham for the loans, compared to what he might make investing the money elsewhere.

He's spent and lost fuck all.  He's just not earned as much as he potentially could have had he not loaned the money to West Ham.

Hi Karren

“Please reinforce your claim by giving us one number - net transfer spend minus loan interest paid to Sullivan during his time here.”  I don’t have an anorak so unable to meet that request. I’m not sure what it would prove anyway.And I’m by no means defending Sullivan. I think he’s been an awful Chairman on a massive ego trip. Just see claims that he hasn’t spent money as blinkered. His one objective is to preserve the asset value, not make money through interest payments. Currently West Ham are in a rare position of having no financial debt.

"The club has spent an awful lot of cash. Unfortunately very little of it has been spent wisely or in pursuit of any thought out plan."

It doesn't matter that it isn't spent wisely, just as long as certain agents are involved in the deals

Penny pinching doesn't have to just mean 'spend no money' full stop. 

John Drake" wrote: ↑23 May 2025, 09:33 Although a blatant case of stereotyping, I look at the typical product of today’s West Ham academy as someone who is undoubtedly technically competent but lacking in the attributes of grit, determination, strength and endurance. That’s why it’s likely more profitable picking up rejects from other club’s academies.

As for Diagana, he did make a few promising appearances early on but then looked decidedly lightweight after that.

Sullivan has many faults as West Ham Chairman, but it is wrong to characterise him as penny pinching or always looking to cash in. The club has spent an awful lot of cash. Unfortunately very little of it has been spent wisely or in pursuit of any thought out plan.

Rossal wrote: ↑23 May 2025, 08:11

dealcanvey wrote: ↑23 May 2025, 06:58 Undecided about whether selling Soucek is a good idea.

rumours that paqueta and Alvarez want out. Surely they go first then? If they are adequately replaced then and only then would look to sell him. Have my doubts the club is capable of doing that in one window. Soler and Rodriguez signings were poor.

Souceks stats are impressive. Coming up with numbers that you would expect from the much more technically gifted Paqueta. His mentality and commitment is miles ahead and this gets overlooked.

Soucek is one of the last few players in the squad that actually plays for the badge. 





 

Aside from a healthy 9 goals, what other stats are impressive? 

  

Although a blatant case of stereotyping, I look at the typical product of today’s West Ham academy as someone who is undoubtedly technically competent but lacking in the attributes of grit, determination, strength and endurance. That’s why it’s likely more profitable picking up rejects from other club’s academies.

As for Diagana, he did make a few promising appearances early on but then looked decidedly lightweight after that.

Sullivan has many faults as West Ham Chairman, but it is wrong to characterise him as penny pinching or always looking to cash in. The club has spent an awful lot of cash. Unfortunately very little of it has been spent wisely or in pursuit of any thought out plan.

Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑23 May 2025, 09:13 Moyes knows his onions. He would've had a good look at Diangana and obviously knew he weren't up to it.

I remember the imbecilic Nobes piping up about it as well.

Don't worry folks! We've got this guy doubling down and sticking his oar in our transfer business over this summer. What could possibly go wrong? He's got this!

The future's so bright I gotta wear shades

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Moyes knows his onions. He would've had a good look at Diangana and obviously knew he weren't up to it.

I remember the imbecilic Nobes piping up about it as well.

Look at the hindsight wankers, the outrage at the time was fully justified.

twoleftfeet wrote: ↑22 May 2025, 20:56

honky cat" wrote: ↑22 May 2025, 20:45

twoleftfeet wrote: ↑22 May 2025, 18:58 Grady Diangana released by WBA

He never lived up to potential.

 

I remember complete meltdowns over Grady leaving. Lol. 


 

Ditto. Some proper knicker wetting when he went.

dealcanvey wrote: ↑23 May 2025, 06:58 Undecided about whether selling Soucek is a good idea.

rumours that paqueta and Alvarez want out. Surely they go first then? If they are adequately replaced then and only then would look to sell him. Have my doubts the club is capable of doing that in one window. Soler and Rodriguez signings were poor.

Souceks stats are impressive. Coming up with numbers that you would expect from the much more technically gifted Paqueta. His mentality and commitment is miles ahead and this gets overlooked.

Soucek is one of the last few players in the squad that actually plays for the badge. 


 

Undecided about whether selling Soucek is a good idea.

rumours that paqueta and Alvarez want out. Surely they go first then? If they are adequately replaced then and only then would look to sell him. Have my doubts the club is capable of doing that in one window. Soler and Rodriguez signings were poor.

Souceks stats are impressive. Coming up with numbers that you would expect from the much more technically gifted Paqueta. His mentality and commitment is miles ahead and this gets overlooked.

Soucek is one of the last few players in the squad that actually plays for the badge. 

 

honky cat" wrote: ↑22 May 2025, 20:45

twoleftfeet wrote: ↑22 May 2025, 18:58 Grady Diangana released by WBA

He never lived up to potential.

 

I remember complete meltdowns over Grady leaving. Lol. 

 

honky cat" wrote: ↑22 May 2025, 20:45

twoleftfeet wrote: ↑22 May 2025, 18:58 Grady Diangana released by WBA

He never lived up to potential.

 

I remember complete meltdowns over Grady leaving. Lol.