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Dispatches tonight could be about him so he has jumped in first dismissing claims and rumours and saying anything he did in past was consensual. No doubt it will be said that this is The Matrix coming after him due to his opposition to mainstream media.

"threesixty 6:32 Tue Sep 19 I suspect the reason the media wouldn't go to the police prior to transmission is that the launch of a subsequent investigation would mean their programme could not go out as it would most likely be deemed prejudicial. Not saying that is responsible, just pointing out the likely reason for acting as they have done."

"One other thing I'd add. If Katherine Ryan was so convinced he was dodgy why didn't she bring it to the police's attention. Same with the other 2 that are an ""open secret"". If people are getting raped and you haven't reported it you haven't exactly helped prevent it. Don't say ""oh there's a rapist but I'm not naming him"" in an interview. Tell the authorities."

Fifth Column 5:42 Tue Sep 19 ''c) There is clearly evidence of wrong doing from Brand. Note 'evidence' does not equate to 'proven beyond reasonable doubt'.'' So you work for the Met and know something we don't or you think a statement is clear evidence? I hope you are never on my Jury.

"Fifth Column 6:39 Tue Sep 19 Until the truth of the allegations is proven in court or admitted by the accused, those allegations remain nothing more than unproven claims. An allegation generally triggers an investigation to identify and gather EVIDENCE that proves it factually accurate."

"Fifth Column 6:39 Tue Sep 19 Until the truth of the allegations is proven in court or admitted by the accused, those allegations remain nothing more than unproven claims. An allegation generally triggers an investigation to identify and gather EVIDENCE that proves it factually accurate."

Darlo Debs 6:44 Tue Sep 19

"Fair play Andy from Manchester 99% of his posts are utter drivel, but he’s spot on with this one"

"“What’s Kafkaesque is when you enter a surreal world in which all your control patterns, all your plans, the whole way in which you have configured your own behavior, begins to fall to pieces, when you find yourself against a force that does not lend itself to the way you perceive the world. You don’t give up, you don’t lie down and die. What you do is struggle against this with all of your equipment, with whatever you have. But of course you don’t stand a chance. That’s Kafkaesque.”"

360 post of the thread. Absolutely could not agree more.

threesixty 6:32 Tue Sep 19 Well put. I also am not sure he is innocent of all allegations. However as far as the media reaction and cancellation etc it shoundn't be a case of the end justifies the means.

This Dean character really is a religious zealot of the left isnt he?

so when thousands of young girls get groomed by the you know who gangs and they come forward with their 'evidence' and it gets blanked - what is that called?

"“I don’t understand why with 2 years worth of evidence that C4 and the Sunday Times couldn’t go to the police and ask them to prosecute this case before making the documentary public? Is the reason they didn’t do that is a) they know none of it would stand up in court b) they won’t make the money/plaudits they would like from their work?” I reckon they gave out that email address at the end in the hope there is someone who has more on him than they gave got. Quite amazing through allegations those who sponsored him, how quickly they have backed out to distance themselves. Seems once you are accused irrespective, that’s it you are gone."

"Cant argue with much of that 360. Seen good teachers career's, mental health and lives go down the pan purely cos of spiteful teenagers completely false allogations. Despite being cleared. (Also seen wronguns stuck off) Mud sticks"

"Jaan ""There wasn’t any evidence. Just allegations"" Your response sums up the lack of understanding of what words mean. A statement from an alleged victim/witness is evidence. It is evidence in itself. When the police arrest someone they say ""Anything you do say may be given in evidence"". A statement literally is evidence. This is really not complicated. It is not ""proof"", just because someone says something doesn't mean it's true. But if you have multiple people saying the same thing then it is more likely to be true and certainly makes it something that an employer/ organisation you have a business relationship should investigate."

"Funny innit. All the talk for FAR RIGHT conspiracy theories & extreme views, the only one that is being hysterical and completely making stuff up is dean."

"Fifth column The issue is simple. Sex allegations stick. It doesn’t even matter if you go to court and are found not guilty (Mendy, Spacey etc). As far as the public and media are concerned the only reason your not in jail is that they don’t have enough evidence to convict you (greenwood) rather than your not actually guilty. So there are huge problems for everyone here, especially if you don’t have millions and lawyers to hang on to. I don’t particular care about Brand or what happens to him specifically. What I do care about is everyone else who isn’t rich and famous and how we are setting a precedent that simply means accusation is fact. I don’t understand why with 2 years worth of evidence that C4 and the Sunday Times couldn’t go to the police and ask them to prosecute this case before making the documentary public? Is the reason they didn’t do that is a) they know none of it would stand up in court b) they won’t make the money/plaudits they would like from their work? People who are praising this situation are forgetting this will apply to EVERYONE going forward. Guilty or not. Whether it’s a series or just 1 accusation. You could easily lose everything and never really be able to clear your name. On top of the fact that many of the accusations are not even illegal. Rough sex with a 16 yr old is not illegal. Fucked up yes, but not illegal. I just think the implications with this case are huge and undermine hundreds of years of law and due process in favour of media companies and populism. It’s like going back to the way we used to people accused of being witches or something. Let the law take its course or improve the law so it fixes the situation. This is basically vigilantism. It’s madness. (And no I don’t believe brand is innocent of some of these things but I don’t think that matters. Process should be followed for the benefit of others that are innocent of these things)"

"crawford ""I know exactly the point I’m making. As time has gone on, his thumbnails and posts have become more reactionary to garner clicks. The right love to feel victimized and attacked, so they join in the rage. Read any comment section on any right wing newspaper or post online. It’s all clickbait nonsense."" Ok, let's say i accept the argument (although the piece about victimhood is startlingly lacking in self awareness, given that the entire left wing ideology is based solely on victimhood...there's a reason people laugh at scousers about it, for example)...but let's say i accept the point that he's become right wing. I don't pay enough attention to him to care either way, frankly. So when he was left wing, wrote a column in the Guardian, was guest editor of the New Statesman, was endorsing Ed Miliband, was campaigning against capitalism, for a socialist egalitarian state, was appearing on Channel 4 - when he was doing all of this, while these places were giving him a home and a platform - he was at best a sex pest, and at worst a rapist. Since becoming a 'right wing conspiracy theorist', he's got married, had two kids, settled down, and precisely zero allegations have been made regarding impropriety. Unless you're trying to run a recruitment campaign for the benefits and virtues of becoming a right wing conspiracy theorist, I'm not sure this is a hill you want to die on."

"Swiss that must have taken all.if about 10.milliseconds, maybe a fraction more if they had that awful. Turd of a film Get Me To The Greek on the platform. If they have cancelled him then I assume C4 must have. Most if his highest profile stuff would have been done on C4 & E4"

"‘The documentary was reasonable and provided evidence of unacceptable behaviour, in the public interest. Should his current work be suspended whilst investigations take place? Yes. If he is investigated and the allegations are unproven then he should be able to continue in his work.’ There wasn’t any evidence. Just allegations. I’d like to see how you would respond to being suspended from earning a living, until proven innocent of allegations brought into the public domain before any police investigation."

Pickle's village.... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12535083/Inside-incest-house-horror-Chilling-images-reveal-dark-dirt-floored-basement-three-newborn-babies-buried-father-daughter-living-couple-above.html

Does all this fall under THE RULE OF LAW? Asking for a Polish firend

"mitty, shouldn't you be handing out sweets at the local primary school you fucking creepy cսnt crawford, im not angry at all. I've said multiple times I don't care about brand or his content, but I do care about left wing lunatics and this latest bandwagon of using right wing/far right slurs to shut down any questioning of a narrative/agenda. there's is no right, let alone far right. the current tory party are to the left of labour"

"1billy Yes, I’ve read the New Puritans. Get ready to be riled. Dean Give us a snap shot of your core belief systems? Lets say favoured philosophies, politics and religion if you have one. Also what Authority infiormd you best?"

"Swiss, Yeah, this is shit for him, especially if he is innocent. But unless he’s convicted of rape, I genuinely don’t think he will be cancelled. Losing YouTube is shit for him, but he makes a large proportion of his money from streaming on Rumble. He’s never being demonitized over there. He wouldn’t make money from iPlayer or Channel 4 online anyway. His hardcore fans will back him to the hilt. They’ll say it’s a hit job by the mainstream media because he knows too much, blah blah. He might lose a few subscribers, but he won’t be cancelled."