"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."
Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑28 Nov 2024, 09:10
the thing about The Diesel is the Jets had him playing fullback before he joined us (probably because of his size), but the man had a background in sprinting in college which made him so hard to tackle
Yeah, but the Jets never really used him as a blocking full-back. They used a brutal twin-backs system. He ran the ball - a lot - in tandem with Emerson Boozer (what a name!). I think they both ran for more than 150 yards each in one game. Riggins ate up
yards for the Jets in just four seasons, before sprinting off to Washington on a huge deal.
Because we’ve only really had three high-quality QBs in our history (Namath, O’Brien and pre-injury Pennington), “Jets Football” has always been about running the ball and battering opponents.
So we love a running back. We’d probably have taken Barkley at #2 in 2018, if we’d had the pick. He was arguably the best player coming out of college that year. I get what RB Shorty’s saying, but I think you’ve still got to have a good running back, or two, to keep defenses honest.
Jets even went to back-to-back championship games with a shit QB (Sanchez) and two iron-clad RBs: Jones and Greene. Next year, we picked up Tomlinson.
one of our best ever cornerbacks died recently, Pat Fischer, and I posted a video on this thread from years ago where some of his opponents paid tribute to him. during the footage you see a young Riggo (in Jets gear) getting tackled by Pat, as well as Pat also dealing with a massive lineman trying to run block . none of this sounds strange until you realise Pat was just 5ft 9 & 170 lbs. during the video, there's also footage of him trying to deal with 6ft 8 Harold Carmichael, and Pat describing how he planned to tackle the giant. It's a great clip and worth watching
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 28 Nov 2024, 20:43
by southbankbornnbred
As well as the tactical stuff around the passing game, the issue around RBs has become longevity. With players getting bigger and stronger, the wear and tear on RBs getting hit all of the time is phenomenal. So they don’t last as long in the league these days. Hence, their value has declined further.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 28 Nov 2024, 20:39
by southbankbornnbred
Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑28 Nov 2024, 09:10
the thing about The Diesel is the Jets had him playing fullback before he joined us (probably because of his size), but the man had a background in sprinting in college which made him so hard to tackle
Yeah, but the Jets never really used him as a blocking full-back. They used a brutal twin-backs system. He ran the ball - a lot - in tandem with Emerson Boozer (what a name!). I think they both ran for more than 150 yards each in one game. Riggins ate up
yards for the Jets in just four seasons, before sprinting off to Washington on a huge deal.
Because we’ve only really had three high-quality QBs in our history (Namath, O’Brien and pre-injury Pennington), “Jets Football” has always been about running the ball and battering opponents.
So we love a running back. We’d probably have taken Barkley at #2 in 2018, if we’d had the pick. He was arguably the best player coming out of college that year. I get what RB Shorty’s saying, but I think you’ve still got to have a good running back, or two, to keep defenses honest.
Jets even went to back-to-back championship games with a shit QB (Sanchez) and two iron-clad RBs: Jones and Greene. Next year, we picked up Tomlinson.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 28 Nov 2024, 20:09
by Takashi Miike
gaffer, it's treated as a pooled league where teams get allocated a set amount for wages (goes up each year, this year about $225m), and they're all given a certain amount of the profits made by the NFL (I think this year $402m each), via tv companies/sponsors/etc. obviously some teams take the piss, and mis manage their finances and operate over the cap. these teams can be fined by the NFL, and lose draft picks depending on the severity of the figure. most just trade away a valuable asset/s to balance the books. individual sponsorship isn't really needed as the league is so cash rich
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 28 Nov 2024, 19:38
by Gaffer58
Why don’t any of the teams have sponsorship on their shirts, as the premiership, surely there’s additional millions available to the clubs?
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 28 Nov 2024, 09:51
by RBshorty
I apologise using the term “Luxury player.” You don’t build a great offence on a RB alone. Bill Walsh and Paul Brown did the most to get rid of that philosophy. Even run heavy offences finally get found out.(Looks over at the Ravens.) I absolutely adore Barry Sanders. And imagine if you had placed him in that Cowgirls side at the time.? But the game has moved on so much now. And the QB’s and variations on the West Coast Offence rule the roost. That taking a RB 2nd overall in the draft. Is a luxury at best. Lunacy.(Which it was.) At worse. And a contributing factor to where the Giants find themselves.
Go G MEN.!
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 28 Nov 2024, 09:10
by Takashi Miike
the thing about The Diesel is the Jets had him playing fullback before he joined us (probably because of his size), but the man had a background in sprinting in college which made him so hard to tackle
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 28 Nov 2024, 09:00
by Far Cough UKunt
Yeah, Sanders, "Sweetness" and "Diesel" that was a great era for RBs.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 28 Nov 2024, 08:50
by Takashi Miike
yes, I added him in but he never had that help from a QB. he wouldn't have needed a perennial pro bowler, just someone like Alex Smith to not make mistakes
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 28 Nov 2024, 08:39
by Far Cough UKunt
Mike, not forgetting the great Barry Sanders.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 28 Nov 2024, 08:37
by Takashi Miike
A good running back to me is the platform for the offense (especially the passing game) to succeed off. It keeps the defence guessing, and stops them keying in on one strength. It's why I rate so highly players like Riggo, Payton and Adrian Peterson. We had the latter one last his mid thirties, but he was still a great professional. I didn't mention Barry Sanders as he always had clowns at QB, and I know Mcmahon wasn't perfect, but he had a decent year in 85
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 28 Nov 2024, 08:08
by Far Cough UKunt
RBshorty wrote: ↑26 Nov 2024, 12:59
Running Backs are luxury players. Was Barkley worth going 2nd.? Absolutely. Should the Giants have pick him.? Absolutely not.! Being a New York boy. And having an industrial grade idiot as GM at the time. ( Gettleman you Melt.!) Didn't help. Hope he does well. Even at Philly. I still think the Lions will represent NFC in the Super Bowl. Come February.
GO G MEN.!
Running backs are "luxury players"?
I would hope not. Without a running game, defences would concentrate solely on the opposition's passing game, which would make things rather boring, for me anyways.
I do love a properly executed draw play.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 28 Nov 2024, 08:00
by southbankbornnbred
Jets released an update on Jordan Travis this week. His recovery from the ankle injury has been slow and he’s not going to be ready at any time during this season.
Back in 2025. Although, I hadn’t realised, he’ll be 25 years old when next season starts. Shouldn’t rule him out of an NFL career (indeed, might be handy that he’s a bit older and wiser). But he hasn’t played a single down of professional American football yet, and he’s approaching 25.
So I’d expect the Jets to draft another QB (maybe not first round), or target a free agent/trade, when they let Rodgers walk at the end of the season.
They’ll need options in case Travis doesn’t work out.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 26 Nov 2024, 12:59
by RBshorty
Running Backs are luxury players. Was Barkley worth going 2nd.? Absolutely. Should the Giants have pick him.? Absolutely not.! Being a New York boy. And having an industrial grade idiot as GM at the time. ( Gettleman you Melt.!) Didn't help. Hope he does well. Even at Philly. I still think the Lions will represent NFC in the Super Bowl. Come February.
What a player that guy is. Best running back the league has seen for a few years, and currently on course to go past 2,000 yards in the season (if he stays injury-free, which is hard for backs these days).
Jets missed out on this guy by one draft place in 2018. Lost out on Mayfield to the Browns, then Barkley to the Giants, before taking Darnold at #3 (should have taken Josh Allen).
In a league obsessed with passers, I still like to see a nifty running back.
Its clear he was absolutely phoning it in at the Giants for at least a couple of years.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 26 Nov 2024, 10:54
by Far Cough UKunt
sbb, agreed, I like a good running game.
Vikings, more draw plays, thank you, please.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 26 Nov 2024, 10:37
by southbankbornnbred
Saquon Barkley.
What a player that guy is. Best running back the league has seen for a few years, and currently on course to go past 2,000 yards in the season (if he stays injury-free, which is hard for backs these days).
Jets missed out on this guy by one draft place in 2018. Lost out on Mayfield to the Browns, then Barkley to the Giants, before taking Darnold at #3 (should have taken Josh Allen).
In a league obsessed with passers, I still like to see a nifty running back.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 25 Nov 2024, 09:30
by southbankbornnbred
Jets bye week, so had the luxury of stress-free viewing.
The late stages of that Washington/Dallas game were insane!
Detroit showing they’ve got different ways to win, too. And Chicago doing their best Jets impression.
Quite a week.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 25 Nov 2024, 08:43
by Joe C
What a glorious morning, put the Cardinals back in their place (and who doesn’t love a 70 yard pick six), AND both the Rams and the Whiners lose.
**chefs kiss**
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 25 Nov 2024, 08:41
by RBshorty
Both the Titans and Cowgirls win. Tommy D takes the hits. And we are another week closer to the top pick in the draft.
GO G MEN.!
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 24 Nov 2024, 22:10
by El Scorchio
Some excellent entertainment in the early games.
Dak Prescott's contract looks that little bit funner now.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 24 Nov 2024, 20:48
by zebthecat
The Dolphins trying to let the Patriots back into game is bloody annoying.
Keep Tua on the field idiots!
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 24 Nov 2024, 20:45
by zebthecat
Joe C" wrote: ↑24 Nov 2024, 19:38
Ja'tavion Sanders landing on his head is very ouch. Hope he's ok
That did not look good.
A frend of mine did a similar thing downwhill mountain biking when he went over the handlebars after hitting a rock. His recovery took nearly a year
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 24 Nov 2024, 20:37
by Takashi Miike
no idea what's happened to Kliff Kingsbury, he seems to have forgotten how to call plays. It's horrific today, and against these useless cunts
. none of this sounds strange until you realise Pat was just 5ft 9 & 170 lbs. during the video, there's also footage of him trying to deal with 6ft 8 Harold Carmichael, and Pat describing how he planned to tackle the giant. It's a great clip and worth watching