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Thomas Tuchel might be availeble soon and I rate him even though it hasnt been rosey with Bayern... Over to you

Not starting a row but why would you “install a caretaker to sound out the replacement”?

"Nagel 9:10 Fri Apr 26 Thanks for that informative post and posting what Kretinsky actually said......I fucking really hope you are right, and tbh the next appointment will go a long way to seeing if you have it spot on. If it's as you say then surely it will mean Sully is stepping away......I do hope so.....don't mind his business acumen but hate his razzle dazzle....."

It’s the age thing. We’re running around trying too get into Europe. And we got a manager who wants too. And can. Refuse to play any of our youths. Whoever the lucky bastard coming trough the door. Your looking at least 8-10 new players having to be introduced into the first team.I’m calling it now. Next season going to be tough.

"I think it's a myth we couldn't play more attacking football with the players we have. We do need replacements but I don't think wholesale changes would be necessary or even advisable. I also don't think we need to gradually change either. Moyes came in mid-season for Pellegrini who employed a very different style and didn't get new players. Unai Emery is another example. The gradual change thing is an excuse for the board to put it in a ""safe"" pair of hands, meaning someone who won't make too many demands. We need someone who can get the team playing more than the sum of its parts. We also need to do it as soon as possible. If they were serious about this they'd install a caretaker to sound out the replacement and give him as much of the window as possible."

"Why are you looking at Polish men, Vexed?"

"Lopetitwank is just a Spanish Moyes, would be a short sighted shit appointment and has Sullycunt's stink all over it. Steidten will surely be on his bike about three seconds after we've given this Spanish bellend a contract for too much and too long. We are a shit fucking club, we really are. All that and he's still better than the current cսnt, but that's like being voted best looking Polish man, not really a compliment."

"Any criticism you make of the board would probably be the same whoever becomes manager. If anything, Sullivan has been too willing to make big changes, constantly lurching from one style of play to another since he's been here: Allardyce to Bilic to Moyes to Pellegrini to Moyes to... With Steidten here now there should be more continuity going forward but I think it's time for a leap of faith and to start as we mean to go on, not opting for the safe route. Hopefully it'll give us as enjoyable a season next year as we had when Bilic took over from Allardyce, and we could all do with that after the tedium of the last couple of years. By the way, here's what Kretinsky said when he took over: ""Gradual evolution is, in my opinion, the most healthy way to build a strong club on a firm basis and with the right attitudes and culture. ""I speak from experience. We tried to rush the development of Sparta Prague a couple of years ago and the results were disappointing. ""Improving the quality of the squad is great, of course, but we prefer a gradual way that preserves and protects the ethos of the club and its values, including team spirit. ""Success demands that the focus should be just as much on the academy as on the first-team squad. Again, the world-renowned academy was a great attraction of West Ham."""

"I don't subscribe to the view that our current players can't change the way they play and play more possession based football. They dominated Leverkusen (for 45 mins) and have done so in other matches when they have needed to. This is all on Moyes and what he drills into the players. Russell Martin at Southampton started the season with four defeats as he tried to instil a new playing style, it took a few weeks but he didn't bottle it and they then went on a 24 match unbeaten run,,, he didn't bring in dozens of new players and he's already primed Downes, their kingpin, for us to come back. Several of the squad need replacing, they would do whoever comes in but I believe that several of those mentioned as weak links in a possession based team would be perfectly capable if a dozen new players can't be brought in straightaway."

"Manuel, you're talking about players who went to PSG & Real Madrid. There's still a few clubs who will always be up at the top and those two are for sure. Point I was making is that at the moment a mid level PL club is far richer and has a higher international profile than most top 4 teams in France, Portugal, Germany, etc."

"Nagel I don't disagree with all those like yourself wanting a top progressive manager, but my realistic experience is that the owners will fuck the manger and indeed Stiedten over when actually comes to being reactive to change."

"Nagel 8:36 Fri Apr 26 But the PL couldn't get Mbappe and Bellingham, never got Messi and Ronaldo only come back when he was an old man."

"our style has been play shit football with no attacking plan beyond playing it out wide for coufal to whip one, or better yet get a corner from them trying to block it. what has saved us time and again is the sheer quality of our attacking players. bowen would be a shoe-in for england and ahead of saka if he was playing for a team that was semi competent in possession. his chance conversion is absolutely lethal and he's just about the best in the league for going round the outside of his man for a cut-back. on top of that, we're an absolute defensive shambles. bottom 4 in the league for chances conceded. this is a dream scenario for an attacking manager. it would be very hard not to improve the defence even if we set out like a bielsa team and our players are absolutely dying to play on the front foot. the ship has sunk, there's no point trying to rebuild another wooden hulled ship of the line because we had some half decent battles in it before it became unfit for purpose. you get with the times and build a dreadnought."

"Cheers LJC, at least I'm not on my own thinking the stark contrast in football being hoped for is not likely deliverable by our owners. I'm sure even Kretinsky has been quoted as saying he doesn't like too much change in footballing staff......which is what this would likely be to make such a change in style."

"My thinking is that currently the profile of PL managers is at an all time high, which is why you get the Brighton manager being linked with a club like Barcelona and their ex manager turning down Ajax. The managers at clubs like Sporting Lisbon, Lille and Stuttgart might have Champions League football to look forward to next year, but they'd still rather compete among the best in the PL (and get a lot more money for the pleasure). As the Barcelona president said recently, English clubs don't need to join a European Super League because they're already in one. Don't know how long that's going to last, what with FFP apparently being enforced more strongly lately, but I reckon now's the time to nab the best manager we can possibly get who has the right attitude to start building a new attacking philosophy at the club, rather than settle for some transitional mediocrity like Lopetegui."

"I was just looking for an article I read side that outlined that exact thought process and that is why Lopetegui could be the best immediate choice because you are slightly improving the style and whilst not being where you want to ultimately get too, it’s a step in the right direction in a safe pair of hands."

"Thanks for the responses, I would love us to do an almost Carlsbergesque swap out like Stuttgart but due to our owners always liking the slower build I don't see them backing any quick turnaround enough to make these types of miracle working mangers succeed. Happy to be proved wrong though of course......but even our squad age is it seems in addition to anything say Stuttgart had to deal with."

"Nagel That sounds perfect and a complete coin flip from what we've had to suffer the last 2 and a half years.... The imbeciles on here, pundits and ex-players would be saying that will lead to a relegation struggle (BCWYWF). I personally will welcome it with open arms.."

"Nagel That sounds perfect and a complete coin flip from what we've had to suffer the last 2 and a half years.... The imbeciles on here, pundits and ex-players would be saying that will lead to a relegation struggle (BCWYWF). I personally will welcome it with open arms.."

"Side of Ham 7:29 Fri Apr 26 Thanks to the complete mismanagement of the squad by Moyes, we'll need many additions this summer regardless of what happens anywhere else."

"Side of Ham 7:29 Fri Apr 26 When Hoeness took over Stuttgart last April they were bottom of the league and a dismal low block counter-attacking team. He managed to quickly change the style of play as well as the results and get them into the Champs League within a year, so it's certainly possible, even without wholesale changes and a massive budget. They actually made a net profit of about £30m last summer, after selling Mavrapanos and Endo."

I was thinking more a manager who at a last resort uses what squad he does have well so we can do the high press like what the cսnt Moyes did in that first season of his second stint.

given we've been largely shit at playing moyesball for the last two years i'm not sure how much of a goer that would even if you're the sort of sadomasochist who finds it desireable.

"Are we able to easily fade into possession football? Or will it take many additions? If it takes many additions I don't trust the club to get enough of those additions in, so what one of these managers could best manage a phased swap into possession football? Or if need be get us playing the best sort of Moyesballl which the current group are used to. I'm just not convinced the club will back any decent manager properly."

"I know anyone can talk a good game, but have a read of these comments by Fonseca and tell me this isn't what you want from a manager. This comes from an interview 3 years ago after he'd been rejected by Spurs at the last minute because they wanted a more defensive minded approach. ""I have some principles...To build a team who can play attractive and offensive football. I cannot be a different way. All my teams will have these intentions. I’m not sending out my teams to defend near their own box. “All players want to have the ball. They want to dominate. They want to participate. They don’t want to run to recover the ball. They don’t want to run without the ball and defend. The best way to defend is to have the ball. “We have an obligation with supporters to create a spectacle, a good show. That is the obligation of the coach. I want to win every game but just winning is not enough for me. I have to be offensive and dominate the games and have an offensive midfield and show courage in the game. These are things which will die with me. “It happened so many times when I got home after winning a game and my wife asked ‘why are you unhappy?’ And it is because I didn’t win the way I wanted to. It is not enough. I have to create a good show for the people who pay the tickets and love football. At least I try. I cannot be a coach in another way.”"

Either choice is probably a step up. Unsure if Lopetegui has his best work behind him? Fonseca looks OK. Is Tim going to find someone else we don't know. Amorim would be the best candidate but he may have other offers?