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"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."

"Cough - only as a defensive co-ordinator in the 1970s. Buddy was never our head coach. We'd have won a lot more if he had been. His son, Rex, was head coach and was a brilliant defensive mind, like his dad. Rex's problem was that he didn't have the first clue about running an offense - and was too egotistical to hand over the offensive play-calling to a well-paid OC."

Crystal - he'll have 31 better offers than us next season! ;-)

Didn't you have Buddy Ryan at one point?

"The Jets have generally thrived when they've had a gnarly old bastard in charge or, at least, an experienced DC/OC who has moved up into the HC position. Weeb Ewbank (legendary Super Bowl winner: had already done it twice with the Colts) Joe Walton Big Tuna Herm Edwards Rex Ryan New York is no market for freshman. The media will tear inexperience to shreds. You need to be a gnarly and aggressive old fucker who has seen it all, working with younger co-ordinators. When we've tended to opt for younger coaches, we've generally chosen badly (Gase) or given them the job too soon (Pete Carroll). And don't get me started on what happened with Belichick - still gives me nightmares!"

"Im sure he will have much better offers than you (no offence :) ) just something ive noticed recently is how much he's being shown on the tele every game, almost like they're trying to get him more publicity to push him into the head coaching race,"

"Crystal - I'm not sure we need a hot-shot young head coach. I think that has been the mistake this time around. McCarthy was a very good choice to have because he'd been there and done it - and had worked closely with Rodgers. I know the two of them fell apart towards the end, but that's the game going to Rodgers' head. He now thinks he's running the Packers. McCarthy did it well for years, and Darnold would have respected that record. I'd take Williams, the current DC, as an interim head coach providing that we can identify the right OC for Darnold. I think the players will rally around Williams - especially Adams, who might well leave unless things improve (he is a top-class safety). TM - you're right, but the new GM is Gase's man. He might also need to go. Incredibly they gave Gase the keys to the franchise and allowed him to appoint his own yes man, Joe Douglas, at GM. Douglas seems like a decent fella, but if they cut Gase then they should cut him, too, and move on. Gase has been an unmitigated disaster - of Roeder proportions. He is way out of his depth, having somehow convinced out stupid owners that he's the messiah. He should be sued under the Trades Description Act - he's not a football coach of any significance!"

Takashi Miike 1:26 Tue Oct 29 Re: NFL (since 2016) the only quarterback whisperer was Joe Gibbs who won super bowls with three different quarterbacks Theissman? Williams? Schroeder

"SB, but you have to realise that Gase never hired himself and it's the cunts that did who need to be targetted. I don't know the history of the GM but you've had one bad coach after another, so Gase isn't anything new. you only had to see what he did in miami to know he'd be a disaster"

"Next hotshot head coaching candidate will be Robert Saleh the 49ers defensive coordinator, heard him mentioned by people in the know in the offseason as a guy all of the players love and would run through a wall for. He's young and fit looking so will be a good face of the franchise and the tv companies seem to have been told to keep a camera on him at all times as he's constantly being very animated and emotional on the sideline. Not sure a defensive minded head coach is what you'd want with Darnold though unless he hires himself a whizz of an OC"

"TM - spot on. I'm convinced that Darnold is a very good quarterback in the making: providing that he gets the right coaches and the right team around him. He entered the league a year younger than most QBs do, so remember that his learning curve is a year behind the likes of Mayfield. He's currently the age of most rookies - he's still just 22 years-old. The biggest problem that Darnold faces is that he's already on head coach (and playbook) number two and, because we have made such an appalling decision to take on Gase, in all likelihood Darnold will soon be on to head coach (and playbook) number three. There is a danger that the kid will get lost in the chaos of constantly having to learn new playbooks through coaching churn - and that has been the grave of many promising QBs. I'm usually a big believer in consistency and stability. But the Jets have made a horrendous choice in Gase and need to get him out of the franchise quickly. They need to admit the error, pay him off and move on - otherwise we run the risk of doing what we did with Kotite in the mid-1990s and ruining the franchise for years. Then, once they've sacked Gase, they need to take their time - not be blinded by the mythologies which often follow young coaches around the NFL - and make a rational choice over the kind of head coach and offensive co-ordinator who will be the best tutor for Darnold and use a playbook which builds on his strengths. At the moment, Bart Scott is right, the Jets are making errors that schoolboys make - on almost every down. And it will ruin Darnold and the team."

"Watch Bart Scott's rant from 7.30 on this video. Much as he likes to shoot his mouth off, Bart is absolutely spot on about Gase's failures and the fact that he is missing the most basic things. It's week eight, and they are still making the same ""little league"" mistakes. I can spot Gase's play calls from at home on a sofa - imagine how easy somebody like Belichick finds it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhROh1Gm7SE"

"you want to see how a good coach can get the best out of a player, you just look at payton and how he's taken latavius murray and getting unbelievable results. OF coutse, they have a good o-line, but he just knows how to use players and gase doesn't"

"but it's not even darnold, is it? darnold is still developing, but it's the way he hasn't got a clue about how to use one of the best running backs in the game that shows he has to go"

"TM - yes, I'm minded to agree. I don't believe this shit about ""quarterback whisperers"". A good HC, OC and QB coach should be able to deal with and improve a good, young QB through hard work and good judgement. All the rest is puff and bluster. It's about putting a good coaching team in place. Belichick has always recognised that in Boston - hence he went out of his way to return McDaniels as OC to keep Brady ticking away (not that Brady needs a huge amount of guidance on that - he's similar to Manning in that respect) etc."

the only quarterback whisperer was joe gibbs who won superbowls with three different quarterbacks

"The simple fact is that the Jets had a great opportunity after they sacked Todd Bowles to rebuild and move the franchise on to a new level as Brady and Belichick began to consider their retirements from the Patsies. They already had an excellent young QB on the roster around whom they could build a side - which is an unusually big starting point. They had a well-regarded Super Bowl-winning coach who desperately wanted the job and was on the market - Mike McCarthy. Instead they believed all the myths about Gase being some sort of ""Quarterback Whisperer"" because he once carried Peyton Manning's coffee as OC in Denver (Manning made almost every call that offense produced). Not only that, because there was competition for the Jets HC role, an unusual state of affairs, they effectively handed Gase the GM job, too (as part of his negotiation package). He brought in his very own ""yes"" man to look like a GM at meetings. Now, just a few short months down the line, we've completely wasted that opportunity to rebuild the franchise. Poor draft picks, shit big money deals for under-used players (Bell, Mosley) and the worst play-book I've seen in the NFL since Rich Kotite. Gase has traded away a fine DT, and alienated his own team captain and future pro-bowler to the point where he's hinting he wants out. And we're 1-6. Welcome to the new dawn. It looks a lot like the old dawn, except worse and there's a deluded frog-eyed man-child in charge. ;-)"

"Crystal, spot on: we haven't had a decent edge rusher since Calvin Pace under Rex. The idiot Gase drafted Jachai Polite with our high third-rounder this year - he was a complete bust and got waived within a few months. This lot couldn't tell the difference between an edge rusher and an edge trimmer."

"""This really has got Adam Gase's fingerprints all over this now. He's really controlling this franchise. I know there's a general manager in name, and in name only, we haven't seen nor heard from him at all. This is Adam Gase's team. This is the mess that he's created.""ù Boomer Esiason, ex-Jets QB."

"the cսnt bruce allen has finally decided, with a day to go (yesterday), to try and trade trent willilams. i hope we get no takers as it should have been done weeks ago. they may as well close/move the franchise because snyder is going nowhere until he dies (currently 55)"

"Seems like for as long as i've been following the NFL properly the Jets have always had good D tackles but never seem to have anything resembling an edge rusher which is what you need to pair them with. Look at Dante fowler starting to have a breakout season with the Rams because everyone is focusing on Donald. very rare for a DT to rack up large number of sacks unless they are a true all time great, pass rush needs to come from the outside where you're more often matched up 1 on 1"

"You watch, he'll go to the fecking blue noses, of all teams, and do well. I'm pretty pissed about this. Seething. Pah!"

"And, of course, there is now a chance that the same problem faces Quinnen Williams: he'll get double-teamed on most plays now and will struggle to hold down that high-pick tag. There is no logic to what the Jets have done. But the supine NFL media have just swallowed the spin. As per usual. ""Oh, it's OK, Jets fans, because he wasn't getting the stats and you get two picks anyway."" Fucking Washington Post! ;-)"

"Not quite so, Crystal. He's still a fine DT. The only reason why he has not been as productive since 2016 is because every side in the league double-teamed him in 2017 and 2018, because they knew the Jets had little else to offer on that defensive line (until they drafted QW). So his ""production stats"" fell off a cliff. But he's still largely the same player. The Giants have got a bargain because our own stupid coaching staff have come in and probably only read the stats rather than assessed him properly. In the Spring, Jets fans were told the whole point of drafting Quinnen Williams was to give Len some support on the defensive line, and free him up a little. Now they've drafted him away for peanuts. Absolute idiots run the Jets at the moment. The Giants will have a strong front line now - LW alongside Big Snacks (another of our finds under Rex) is a daunting prospect for any centre."

"Life's great being a Dolphins fan, we've become that team that if they made the ""You Only Move Twice""ù episode of The Simpson's now Scorpio of the Globex Corporation would buy The Miami Dolphins for Homer at the end of the episode. ""Awwwwww, the Miami Dolphins""ù"

"Leonard Williams has never really come close to living up to his potential after he was billed as arguably the best player int he draft and the Jets drafted Quinnen Williams very high this year to presumably replace him. Leonard is int he last year of his deal i believe and wills till be demanding big money so to ship him out for anything in a lost season seems like a good move if they had no intent of signing him to a new contract. From what i read the Giants were the only team interested in trading for him which is why his value seems so low, the Jets had no leverage. What i don't really understand is why the Giants would make the trade, DT is the only decent spot on their defence with Snacks Harrison in there and they're going nowhere this year either so will; have him for half a year before trying to negotiating with a player hitting free agency who probably thinks he's worth alot more than he actually is. At least he only had to move all his stuff down the hall to another locker room ;)"