Divin Mubama

[Stevethehammer]

"You have definitely got to feel sorry for the lad. He had a great pre season, looked like he had finally broken through and was going to be a solid option for Moyes and the potential to save the club millions on buying a striker. Moyes said he wanted him to stay and I have it on good authority that he was wanted by Gillingham on a season long loan as they were on the look out for a young striker who was able to be a big part of their team. Neil Harris at the time saw him as a good option and was more than happy to give him first team football. Divin wanted the move but Moyes vetoed it. Now he sits there on the bench not getting a sniff at any football, another one Moyes has wasted and no doubt he will get a chance in an upcoming game, probably not take his chance due to match fitness and then Moyes will look vindicated in not picking him, not picking up on the fact that he would need a few games to get up to speed, but once he does inhave no doubt that he is the natural replacement for Antonio and should be coming off the bench when we are chasing the game rather than Danny fucking Ings."

[goose]

Made it obvious how? Just admit you’ve made that up. A preseason friendly is meaningless. It’s no basis to be making any kind of opinion on whether a player is ready or not. Anyone with half a brain will tell you that. You also said he was “useless” in the European games. Which is more moronic nonsense.

[Willtell]

I don’t need to make stuff up like you do. You made it obvious you didn’t see the game. If you saw it and disagree that Mubama hardly touched the ball then you’re a bigger imbecile than I thought.

[goose]

I didn’t see the game? Really? I hope you’re not making stuff up. You didn’t say he had a poor game. You used the game to tell other supporters that Mubama isn’t as ready as they think. And on a thread about the players future you’ve used a preseason friendly over & over as some kind of benchmark.

[Willtell]

What’s moronic is your stupid comments for me saying someone had a poor game. What’s doubly moronic is you giving your judgement on my opinion without even seeing the game! Your judgement was without the benefit of 45 minutes evidence… Fucking imbecilic goose!

[goose]

I think making or forming any kind of view from 45min of a meaningless preseason friendly is moronic.

[Willtell]

goose Tell us what you thought of Mubama’s performance that day then please?

[goose]

Your opinion of him not being ready is based on 45min of a friendly. That’s the point. Telling fans he’s not as ready as they think because you’ve seen 45min of a preseason friendly is completely mental.

[Willtell]

goose A “judgement on him” is a conclusion on him. I did not make a conclusion about Mubama’s ability as you are deliberately implying. I gave my opinion that he was “not as ready as most fans think.” You are very devious in your natural ability to twist meanings. You must be Welsh or something…

[Jasnik]

"https://www.whufc.com/news/emerson-mavropanos-mubama-earn-moyes-admiration his article I don't like the bit implying Diangana left , he was sold, nobody wanted him to leave , even he wanted to stay. This bit : Moyes has historically been willing to give debuts to teenagers, doing so with the likes of Jack Rodwell and Ross Barkley at Everton, Adnan Januzaj at Manchester United and Grady Diangana, Jeremy Ngakia and Mubama himself at West Ham. Academy graduates such as Diangana, Ngakia, Harrison Ashby and Sonny Perkins have since departed, and the Scot suggested that sometimes young players should give the clubs which developed them a little more time to work them into the senior setup. “When I go back, I remind people I’ve given 16-year-olds debuts in the Premier League, but nowadays very few 18-year-olds are playing around the Premier League,” he observed. “My feeling is the average of players getting a chance in the first team is probably around 21. “So, what happens now is a lot of them do get impatient but, more importantly, the bigger problem is that their agents want to take them away and get them games elsewhere or do something else and so many of them are making the wrong decisions. A few boys have left here who I think have incredibly made the wrong decision. They're in a great environment here."

[Jasnik]

"https://www.whufc.com/news/emerson-mavropanos-mubama-earn-moyes-admiration his article I don't like the bit implying Diangana left , he was sold, nobody wanted him to leave , even he wanted to stay. This bit : Moyes has historically been willing to give debuts to teenagers, doing so with the likes of Jack Rodwell and Ross Barkley at Everton, Adnan Januzaj at Manchester United and Grady Diangana, Jeremy Ngakia and Mubama himself at West Ham. Academy graduates such as Diangana, Ngakia, Harrison Ashby and Sonny Perkins have since departed, and the Scot suggested that sometimes young players should give the clubs which developed them a little more time to work them into the senior setup. “When I go back, I remind people I’ve given 16-year-olds debuts in the Premier League, but nowadays very few 18-year-olds are playing around the Premier League,” he observed. “My feeling is the average of players getting a chance in the first team is probably around 21. “So, what happens now is a lot of them do get impatient but, more importantly, the bigger problem is that their agents want to take them away and get them games elsewhere or do something else and so many of them are making the wrong decisions. A few boys have left here who I think have incredibly made the wrong decision. They're in a great environment here."

[Side of Ham]

Willwall....Branded wrote 'Knocker' that's why it was posted by me in apostrophe's.....you dick...... The rest is your dickhead thing about thinking you have something on someone but you over use it....because you are a dickhead....I've stated there I don't watch Moyes games is all.....doesn't mean I don't watch the youths....that would be silly as they are the better watch.....

[goose]

"It’s pretty simple Will. This is your post: ""Just means he's not quite as ready as most fans think"" Is that you making a judgment on him? Yes. How did you make this informed judgement? From 45min of one preseason game. Retarded."

[Willtell]

"Yes Side and you denied that Moyes had brought him through but that wasn't what was said. Stop making up alternative truths you fool. You haven't been to games for years if not decades and don't stream games. How do I know? Because you said so. ""I don’t do streams I just catch the result so I also don’t do ‘knocker’ wetting…."" I'm sure you meant Knicker wetting.."

[Side of Ham]

"They have RM10 but they still play enough of their decent players, and we have been getting great results compared to their fellow u21's teams as well.....this to me is down to them being a very good footballing side......and the switch to Moyesball won't happen......the saddest thing will be because they've been brought up to play the game by attacking and having the ball."

[Willtell]

You're such a liar goose. You have form for twisting what posters say. Here is what the conversation was for the record and all I did was comment on what I saw and that was a young lad being outclassed by what we now know are accomplished CB's that lead the Bundesliga... ------------------------ daveyg 1:59 Tue Nov 14 Re: Divin Mubama Nuts. You attempting to be the most stupid of posters ? Pre season he was our best attacker. Looked ready to me. But Moyes doesn't trust the youth even though they played better than first team players in the same games. He looks as good and quite similar to Jackson at Chelsea. He dropped down to the u21s last week and despite not playing for weeks still scored against LG1 team..Idiot ----------------------------------------- Willtell 1:02 Tue Nov 14 Re: Divin Mubama daveyg 1:59 You're very insulting there to another poster over Mubama. Yes he had shown promise but in fact Mubama was taken off at half-time in the pre-season 4-0 defeat against Leverkusen. I watched the game and was very disappointed to see that he was completely out of his depth. That's the last time Moyes used him iirc and is contrary to what you are saying. ------------------------------

[RM10]

"SOH- those EFL teams have been playing weakened teams, that said our kids have played really well. If Marshall don’t come through I will be surprised, I would start adding him in the squad like Cottee did all them years ago!"

[Side of Ham]

"You posted this at me Willwall....you dick 'Who’s talking about Rice? Do you mean the Arsenal player? Oh you probably won’t know as you don’t support WH anymore, that we sold him in the summer…' He was talking about Rice.....you dick....."

[goose]

Don’t post nonsense Will and it won’t get picked up on. You made a judgement on Mubama based on 45min of a preseason friendly. Which is a bit retarded. Own your spazzyness.

[Willtell]

Hmmm! Talking about idiocy is not your forte is it? RM10 never said Moyes brought Rice through Snide! Only that Rice was the only youth player brought through….

[Side of Ham]

RM10 7:28 Wed Nov 15 …..read that post Willwall….you dick…

[Willtell]

"Are you drunk or just stupid Snide? Who’s talking about Rice? Do you mean the Arsenal player? Oh you probably won’t know as you don’t support WH anymore, that we sold him in the summer…"

[Side of Ham]

Willwall you are the dickhead view on here….it’s the only way you can get a response….well done you….

[Side of Ham]

Oh and Billic brought Rice through‚Ķ.not that cսnt Moyes‚Ķ. ‚ÄòBillic gave Rice his first nine appearances including a famous League Cup win at Spurs before the Croatian was sacked in November 2017‚Äô

[Willtell]

"davyg Take no notice of goose and Side of Ham. They are just losers looking for any reason to disagree with anything I say. I’m not saying Mubama isn’t good enough and only that he was very disappointing against Leverkusen which may well explain why Moyes went from waxing lyrical about him and his work rate to ignoring him. When I said that I also said he needs lots of 10-20 minutes at the end of games to build his confidence and I don’t understand why Moyes doesn’t do that. If he moves to a new club then blame will be laid at Moyes door. However, to suggest that he’s ready for first team starts is really wishful thinking. End of story."

[Side of Ham]

RM10 5:39 Wed Nov 15 Who are they playing and beating in that cup in the last couple of months as it’s not other youth teams….