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Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑31 Oct 2024, 12:59 Fascinating - it’s not every day you get to talk directly to anyone who openly admits to buying the Trump kool aid. I told you to fuck off the site the other day. I’ll take that back now. 

So I’m curious - what does Trump or Yaxley-Lennon do for you?

twoleftfeet wrote: ↑31 Oct 2024, 13:49 I know what Trump does for me, he provides me with great delight watching the left lose their shit if he gets in. The bloke is an oaf but I do love watching the left cry. As for Robinson, I’m
enjoying watching him become a political martyr and once again seeing the left lose their shit. All I need now is for this bunch of cunts “ Hope not Hate “ to be exposed for the scumbags they are.

Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑31 Oct 2024, 12:59 Fascinating - it’s not every day you get to talk directly to anyone who openly admits to buying the Trump kool aid. I told you to fuck off the site the other day. I’ll take that back now. 

So I’m curious - what does Trump or Yaxley-Lennon do for you?

Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑31 Oct 2024, 12:00 Without going into the basic issues around selecting moral guidance on the basis comparison to others, who else do you see as an authority?

Let me guess: no longer Farage so Trump? Or maybe Putin?

Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑31 Oct 2024, 08:54 Do you actually see him as some kind of moral authority?

Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑31 Oct 2024, 08:54 Do you actually see him as some kind of moral authority?

zebthecat wrote: ↑29 Oct 2024, 08:31 Good.
The surprise is that he broke the law and owned it.

wils wrote: ↑29 Oct 2024, 22:02

Jaan Kenbrovin" wrote: ↑29 Oct 2024, 21:08 It's not a moot point. I'm simply attributing the refusal to call him that name, one out of spite. Which is attributed to 'dead naming'. Or a refusal to use requested pronouns.

 

 

I think the use of his Yaxley-Lennon name serves as a shibboleth for a group who many would label as liberals (probably not an accurate label in this context though). It's way of signalling belonging to a social grouping that sees itself superior to the group that he draws his support from. 

Like most political fault lines they are more about identity than people drawing rational conclusions after considering all the arguments. A bit like people on both side of the Brexit debate argue about the economics merits of their side of the issue even though both sides would not change their minds on what they thought of Brexit if they were presented with conclusive evidence that their argument was flawed. Economics is just a proxy for what really irks each side which is identity.

That's why even if the contradictions you mention above hold true they won't convince anyone they are wrong about which version of his name they should use. His supporters support him becuase they believe - rightly or wrongly - that he represents people like them. His detractors look at the images of the people on the marches and recognise them as belonging to a social class they perceive as being beneath them and jump at the chance to advertise that.

I'm probably vain enough to consider myself in the latter group if I am honest which why I take some comfort in finding a reason to sit on the fence when it comes to having an opinion on him. The reason I don't join in the sneering is I have been on the wrong end of that on things I have believed in in the past. So I try to avoid doing it. But no-one's perfect and am I sure you'll catch me indulging in it too from time to time. But also as I mentioned in a previous post, TR, SYL or whatever you want to call him has fucked up with this. The boy who was expelled and made a pariah by an all too willing mob of liberals deserved more.

Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑29 Oct 2024, 21:14 No, it’s not dead naming to call someone by their real name when they have adopted a pseudonym to pander to an audience of reactionaries and hapless losers.

Jaan Kenbrovin" wrote: ↑30 Oct 2024, 22:25

Moncurs Putting Iron" wrote: ↑30 Oct 2024, 05:20 Jaan,

I have to admit I stay away from that minefield of a subject t. I don't want to be caught up in it or out by it.

I will leave you with this though if I may. All the media, even, the ones the woke watch threads often call out, referred to him as Tommy Robinson. So they did him the courtesy of using his preferred pysdonnym.

Thank you for keeping it civil, I appreciate it.

Right off to walk the hound.

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My apologies. My original post wasn't aimed at you.

I'm not offended by criticism to Robinson/Yaxley-Lennon. I do find it frustrating that it's seemingly ok to wish the worst on him, Farage, Boris Johnson and Trump, whilst using the ironic excuse that they are divisive and nasty, by the very people using virtue as a weapon.

goose wrote: ↑28 Oct 2024, 20:41

Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑28 Oct 2024, 16:37 another 2TK quick sentence? any news on the pair of old bill beating ragheads? or is communist Kier only allowed to jail the indigenous population?

They’ve not been charged with anything (yet).

Moncurs Putting Iron" wrote: ↑30 Oct 2024, 05:20 Jaan,

I have to admit I stay away from that minefield of a subject t. I don't want to be caught up in it or out by it.

I will leave you with this though if I may. All the media, even, the ones the woke watch threads often call out, referred to him as Tommy Robinson. So they did him the courtesy of using his preferred pysdonnym.

Thank you for keeping it civil, I appreciate it.

Right off to walk the hound.

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Moncurs Putting Iron" wrote: ↑30 Oct 2024, 05:20 Jaan,

I have to admit I stay away from that minefield of a subject t. I don't want to be caught up in it or out by it.

I will leave you with this though if I may. All the media, even, the ones the woke watch threads often call out, referred to him as Tommy Robinson. So they did him the courtesy of using his preferred pysdonnym.

Thank you for keeping it civil, I appreciate it.

Right off to walk the hound.

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Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑29 Oct 2024, 22:09 No. 

There never was any economically sound argument for Brexit any more than there is one for unicorns.

wils wrote: ↑29 Oct 2024, 22:02

Jaan Kenbrovin" wrote: ↑29 Oct 2024, 21:08 It's not a moot point. I'm simply attributing the refusal to call him that name, one out of spite. Which is attributed to 'dead naming'. Or a refusal to use requested pronouns.

 

 

I think the use of his Yaxley-Lennon name serves as a shibboleth for a group who many would label as liberals (probably not an accurate label in this context though). It's way of signalling belonging to a social grouping that sees itself superior to the group that he draws his support from. 

Like most political fault lines they are more about identity than people drawing rational conclusions after considering all the arguments. A bit like people on both side of the Brexit debate argue about the economics merits of their side of the issue even though both sides would not change their minds on what they thought of Brexit if they were presented with conclusive evidence that their argument was flawed. Economics is just a proxy for what really irks each side which is identity.

That's why even if the contradictions you mention above hold true they won't convince anyone they are wrong about which version of his name they should use. His supporters support him becuase they believe - rightly or wrongly - that he represents people like them. His detractors look at the images of the people on the marches and recognise them as belonging to a social class they perceive as being beneath them and jump at the chance to advertise that.

I'm probably vain enough to consider myself in the latter group if I am honest which why I take some comfort in finding a reason to sit on the fence when it comes to having an opinion on him. The reason I don't join in the sneering is I have been on the wrong end of that on things I have believed in in the past. So I try to avoid doing it. But no-one's perfect and am I sure you'll catch me indulging in it too from time to time. But also as I mentioned in a previous post, TR, SYL or whatever you want to call him has fucked up with this. The boy who was expelled and made a pariah by an all too willing mob of liberals deserved more.

riosleftsock wrote: ↑29 Oct 2024, 22:18 I'm not sure this is correct though, but I'm not sure we will ever know the truth of this lad's story.