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Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 07:39
by Aalborg Hammer
Happy to see this - might put a bit of creativity back in
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 12:50
by Tomshardware
Hopefully Potter can get something out of him.
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 12:48
by Mad Ferret
fraser wrote: ↑03 Feb 2025, 12:25
Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑03 Feb 2025, 12:22
fraser wrote: ↑03 Feb 2025, 12:17
Some were penalties as for the assists I believe one or two from open play, seeing as he took every fucking corner and free kick,. I'd be amazed if he had less... How many have we scored from set pieces this season?
Fraser,
You on a comedown or something pal?
Have a fucking day off of the negativity.
Come down?
Ha I had the misfortune to watch the useless cսnt live all last season, everyone around where I sit groaned every time he got the ball.. He's fucking gash.. Or he was last season.. Hopefully he's better this.
All those pills you popped on Saturday night making you a right negative nancy.
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 12:44
by Alfs
He needs to get the Beckham record monkey off his back.
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 12:25
by fraser
Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑03 Feb 2025, 12:22
fraser wrote: ↑03 Feb 2025, 12:17
Iron Duke" wrote: ↑03 Feb 2025, 12:14
For someone who was supposedly shit last season, he still managed 7 goals and 11 assists, so he obviously has some uses.
Some were penalties as for the assists I believe one or two from open play, seeing as he took every fucking corner and free kick,. I'd be amazed if he had less... How many have we scored from set pieces this season?
Fraser,
You on a comedown or something pal?
Have a fucking day off of the negativity.
Come down?
Ha I had the misfortune to watch the useless cսnt live all last season, everyone around where I sit groaned every time he got the ball.. He's fucking gash.. Or he was last season.. Hopefully he's better this.
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 12:22
by Mad Ferret
fraser wrote: ↑03 Feb 2025, 12:17
Iron Duke" wrote: ↑03 Feb 2025, 12:14
For someone who was supposedly shit last season, he still managed 7 goals and 11 assists, so he obviously has some uses.
Some were penalties as for the assists I believe one or two from open play, seeing as he took every fucking corner and free kick,. I'd be amazed if he had less... How many have we scored from set pieces this season?
Fraser,
You on a comedown or something pal?
Have a fucking day off of the negativity.
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 12:17
by fraser
Iron Duke" wrote: ↑03 Feb 2025, 12:14
For someone who was supposedly shit last season, he still managed 7 goals and 11 assists, so he obviously has some uses.
Some were penalties as for the assists I believe one or two from open play, seeing as he took every fucking corner and free kick,. I'd be amazed if he had less... How many have we scored from set pieces this season?
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 12:14
by Iron Duke
For someone who was supposedly shit last season, he still managed 7 goals and 11 assists, so he obviously has some uses.
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 11:44
by Ladysmith
And we regress….
Definitely a move of desperation!
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 11:41
by Gank
Probably fits in a bit better under Potter, and means Cresswell doesn’t need to be included for his dead ball specialism.
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 11:19
by Mad Ferret
Confirmed.
Will be like a new signing.
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 11:02
by ,
Back here he’ll be a bench warmer at best.
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 10:41
by Russ of the BML
Potter and JWP will immediately be on the same wave length. And if Potter is trying to implement his 4-2-3-1 formation then JWP adds strength to the players he has to choose from as I don't think Potter has been too impressed with Alvarez and Rodriguez. He may just want to look at JWP and assess for himself. Anyhow, he isn't playing at Forest so may as well have him here.
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 10:34
by greenie1
JWP - Average player, might be ok for the odd substitution.
Shame it never worked out for Flynn Downes at WHU.
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 10:31
by Jean-Luc Paul Goddard
eusebiovic wrote: ↑03 Feb 2025, 09:41
I think he's better as an attacking midfielder who arrives late into box to shoot the loose balls. He's no deep lying defensive midfielder that's a given.
Hopefully Potter can encourage him to work on his set pieces again...direct free kicks - I don't know why he was sidelined in this aspect. He can do it.
I agree. I think the only good games he had for us was when he played in a more advanced role. Although if Ferguson plays up front we already have Bowen, Kudus, Paqueta and Soler ahead of him for the 2 CAM roles. I suspect he'll only be used as a late sub when we're desperate and want to get something out of set pieces.
As for his direct free kicks, he's only ever scored them from a very specific part of the pitch, an area between the penalty spot and about 10 yards to the left. I always thought Moyes should have had Benrahma or Paqueta looking to get fouled in that area, but they never did.
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 10:26
by Mad Ferret
the exile" wrote: ↑03 Feb 2025, 10:24
No question about his ability at set pieces, so it's good to have that back. But for me, he's very average in every other respect. Tidy in possession but doesn't use the ball well enough. His default passing is sideways and backwards. You might get two or three creative, defence-splitting passes in a whole season. Not good enough.
Average is better than what we currently have available in CM.
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 10:24
by the exile
No question about his ability at set pieces, so it's good to have that back. But for me, he's very average in every other respect. Tidy in possession but doesn't use the ball well enough. His default passing is sideways and backwards. You might get two or three creative, defence-splitting passes in a whole season. Not good enough.
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 10:09
by Mad Ferret
Rossal wrote: ↑03 Feb 2025, 09:01
Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑03 Feb 2025, 08:55
Rossal wrote: ↑03 Feb 2025, 08:52
Ok the point still stands, Potter wants to have a grip on possession and press well. Those 3 don't fit that narrative at all. Attacking wise its not offering much either.
Ok, so what's the alternative?
Play Guido? Irving? Orford is clearly a million miles off being ready.
JWP will look better in a more possession based system.
Alvarez Orford
Paqueta
Alvarez JWP
Soler
Alvarez Paqueta
Soler
Alvarez Soucek
Paqueta/Soler
Irving I would like to see with 100% confidence. He may not be a starter but I would like to see him fully firing to see if he can merit a place in the squad. Orford not 100% ready? based on what. JWP is decent on the ball but not much legs and does go sideways and backwards alot. He will need to have technical players and legs around him.
Tommy satisfied your bird in ways you have never managed son.
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 09:50
by Takashi Miike
I think he's perfect for one of the two advanced positions in that central four Potter likes using, I don't want him in front of the back three
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 09:41
by eusebiovic
I think he's better as an attacking midfielder who arrives late into box to shoot the loose balls. He's no deep lying defensive midfielder that's a given.
Hopefully Potter can encourage him to work on his set pieces again...direct free kicks - I don't know why he was sidelined in this aspect. He can do it.
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 09:21
by stubbo
As said will be interesting to see if Potter can get a tune out of him. Clearly not suited to low block, fast break football, as was the case at West Ham and Forest. Always seemed a bit headless chicken when in our midfield in open play, but given Alvarez's propensity to pick up yellows, maybe Ward Prowse as a replacement harrier in those situations makes sense.
At least with Potter you'll know he'll assess the players strengths and look to leverage them, rather than just ask him to do a job he's not suited to.
He's also a good character to have around the place, a proper hard worker and good club man.
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 09:13
by Takashi Miike
Rossal wrote: ↑03 Feb 2025, 09:01
Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑03 Feb 2025, 08:55
Rossal wrote: ↑03 Feb 2025, 08:52
Ok the point still stands, Potter wants to have a grip on possession and press well. Those 3 don't fit that narrative at all. Attacking wise its not offering much either.
Ok, so what's the alternative?
Play Guido? Irving? Orford is clearly a million miles off being ready.
JWP will look better in a more possession based system.
Alvarez Orford
Paqueta
Alvarez JWP
Soler
Alvarez Paqueta
Soler
Alvarez Soucek
Paqueta/Soler
Irving I would like to see with 100% confidence. He may not be a starter but I would like to see him fully firing to see if he can merit a place in the squad. Orford not 100% ready? based on what. JWP is decent on the ball but not much legs and does go sideways and backwards alot. He will need to have technical players and legs around him.
always loved the 0-12-0 formation
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 09:06
by southbankbornnbred
Good move.
The decision to loan him out was odd when you consider that Rodriguez was judged to be a better option.
Lopetegui really was nuts.
Glad he’s back. Our set pieces will improve immeasurably, but he will need to play to higher tempo under Potter.
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 09:01
by Rossal
Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑03 Feb 2025, 08:55
Rossal wrote: ↑03 Feb 2025, 08:52
Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑03 Feb 2025, 08:46
I said a more progressive manager. So more progressive than Moyes was.
I know you want us to play like Pep's Barcelona, but that's not what I'm suggesting Potter is gonna try and be.
Ok the point still stands, Potter wants to have a grip on possession and press well. Those 3 don't fit that narrative at all. Attacking wise its not offering much either.
Ok, so what's the alternative?
Play Guido? Irving? Orford is clearly a million miles off being ready.
JWP will look better in a more possession based system.
Alvarez Orford
Paqueta
Alvarez JWP
Soler
Alvarez Paqueta
Soler
Alvarez Soucek
Paqueta/Soler
Irving I would like to see with 100% confidence. He may not be a starter but I would like to see him fully firing to see if he can merit a place in the squad. Orford not 100% ready? based on what. JWP is decent on the ball but not much legs and does go sideways and backwards alot. He will need to have technical players and legs around him.
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 09:00
by stubbo-admin
Hopefully this lets us let Irving go on loan to the Championship. He could become a saleable asset, but needs game time to prove it...to slow for the Prem but very tidy in possession with a good shot on him. Could be worth a few million lower down.
Re: Ward Prowse on his way back
Posted: 03 Feb 2025, 08:57
by Takashi Miike
It's like a new signing