Everton Vs West Ham | League | 15.03.25 | Match & Predictions Thread

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Odds:
West Ham: 3/1
Draw: 9/4
Everton: 29/25

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[southbankbornnbred]

One of the positives of the past few weeks has been an improvement in Kilman’s form and role.

Unsurprisingly, he’s better in a back three because there’s an extra man centrally to compensate for the lack of pace.

I still don’t think he justifies the price tag - but definitely a little more secure in that role.

Won’t comment on Mav!

 

[Mex Martillo]

Ferguson is looking bizarre, difficult to understand. From what I've seen of Ferguson and Guilherme, which is pretty similar match time as subs, Guilherme is a lot, but a lot better. Guilherme is ours and our future so why the fuck are we wasting time and money on Ferguson when we could be developing Guilherme?

[ironsofcanada]

I’ll give you an example. On the day we signed Ferguson, Ajax loaned Chuba Akpom to Lille. He’s 29 and has plenty of experience in England - and scored many goals for Boro.

He’s started five games since, and scored twice.

I’m not at all saying Akpom would be a saviour of West Ham. But as an emergency loan, I know what would have made more sense.

I watch pretty much every LOSC  game that does not directly conflict with ours.

I know Akpom is a Canning Town boy (who found his way to Arsenal) and I cheer him when ever he comes on but he is not a Premier League striker.  Lille are very good in attack for Ligue 1, a bunch of young skilled midfielder and wingers, very attack minded fullbacks (cost them in second leg against Dortmund) and David has become a very good distributer of the ball (5 assists in the league and Champions League). 
Akpom should score some goals but he does not look overly pacy or strong for Ligue 1 and had 3 goals in 16 appearances in the Eredivisie in the first half of the season.  (Also not sure he started 5 games, I remember a couple where they rested David and one where they played together.) 

Overall,I would not call Ferguson an emergency loan.  Potter was hoping/wanting to see if he was the player he knew and, if he was, whether he could renew some ties to get him permenantly. From afar, we can probably see how that is going. 

[El Scorchio]

Positive:
We have stopped shipping in goals
There is a visible gameplan, and how to move the ball.
Prowse doing a decent job as central midfielder.

Negative:
No central forward
No left wing
Midfield trio is the slowest on the planet.
Midfield trio falling far to deep 
Kudus still making so many individual errors.


Boring game, should be happy with a point.



 

This is what we desperately need to address in the summer. It’s the key to looking a lot better going forward. 

[Keep dreaming]

Positive:
We have stopped shipping in goals
There is a visible gameplan, and how to move the ball.
Prowse doing a decent job as central midfielder.

Negative:
No central forward
No left wing
Midfield trio is the slowest on the planet.
Midfield trio falling far to deep 
Kudus still making so many individual errors.


Boring game, should be happy with a point.


 

[Pub Bigot]

Not read the thread. I was there yesterday, it was a poor game, draw fair result, and were desperate for a striker. 

What’s the point of Ferguson?

[southbankbornnbred]

I’ll give you an example. On the day we signed Ferguson, Ajax loaned Chuba Akpom to Lille. He’s 29 and has plenty of experience in England - and scored many goals for Boro.

He’s started five games since, and scored twice.

I’m not at all saying Akpom would be a saviour of West Ham. But as an emergency loan, I know what would have made more sense.

[southbankbornnbred]

He isn’t getting in the Brighton team ahead of Welbeck & Joao Pedro at the moment so makes sense for them to send him out to get some matches
Thought he looked useful in his half v Brentford but got exactly nil service when he came on v Newcastle 
Need to start him at some point … Wolves on April 1 ? … or it’s turning into a waste of time & money

It isn’t turning into a waste of time and money: it is a waste of time and money already.

We loaned him as cover for the injured Fullkrug and a man whose bone was reportedly protruding through his leg. At this rate, Antonio will be back before Ferguson is fully fit!

The serious point is that you shouldn’t sign players on loan, as an emergency, if they’re not more or less fit to start games for you. He’s still way off the pace, despite his talent. We’re not here to get other sides’ players fit.

It was a rushed, stupid move. But it’s happened and we move on. I just hope Potter learns his lesson.

[El Scorchio]

First half we saw our achilles heel - being pressed and not being able to play it out and break the press. Everton couldn't keep it up though. I thought Everton were the better side first half. Second half was much better from us, controlled the ball and just lacking the quality to finish off a move. We at least put some pressure on them. Won a few corners which were dreadful deliveries on the whole. 
The goal came from a bit a passing the ball quicker and Souceks finish was really good given it was under his feet as well. He was energised by that and had a little spell where he was everywhere. 
Unfortunately old habits die hard. They got fresh legs on, we didn't until late and by then we were on the back foot and doing the usual deep defending and hoofing upfield with no outlet. 
We probably all knew a goal was coming and it was as shit one. No pressure on the ball, a player being played onside and failure to get the right side to defend. Just disappointing to fold under the first real bit of pressure. 
On positives I thought although Kudus is lacking confidence and final product he linked up with the impressive Wan Bissaka really well and carried us up the pitch. No idea how some of these players who have barely played for their sides get in the England side instead of him. He is really thriving at our club. Also thought Todibo was excellent. Athletic, strong challenges, good on the ball and starting to see him up to the pace of the league. Only concern was a bit of a hobble as he went off. 
Ferguson is showing as a bit of a wasted window signing which is probably not surprising but given how desperate we were for a forward with Fulkrug and Antonio out, it's a daft decision. 

I have to say with the league the way it is, it feels a bit like going through the motions now as there is not much to play for. We aren't getting relegated so is there any point in playing loan players that aren't going to be here next year like Soler and Ferguson? I assume Potter will already have an idea of who he wants to keep and who not to. Maybe sneak some more young players in? Why not Guillerme? I just don't understand how he isn't playing some minutes as he's looked bright everytime he's played. I can only think it's something to do with money and appearances. 

 

I can’t help but feel there’s money lurking in the background with Guilherme, Todibo and Ferguson. its happened before with players under Sullivan. We are fucking tightarse barrow boy cunts for sure. 

[El Scorchio]

As it stands we've paid them a fee to pay his wages and help rehabilitate him, great business by Brighton 

 

 

Exactly! This is how it seems. If so how the fuck did he pass a medical? Moronic from us. Actually not ideal for them either as I’m sure they’d want to control he’s rehab- unless they know he’s done as a top level player in which case you have to seriously question our medical staff. OR both clubs knew it was a long recovery but he will get there and we are in fact taking him in the summer and just integrating him now or we get first refusal. That’s the only way it makes sense, but why keep it a secret and it’s far too complicated. 

Surely Sullivan didn’t just rush this through regardless of the facts to appease fans? Would be much easier to say he failed a medical or that we had concerns over the player’s fitness in the short term. 

[Fauxstralian]

He isn’t getting in the Brighton team ahead of Welbeck & Joao Pedro at the moment so makes sense for them to send him out to get some matches
Thought he looked useful in his half v Brentford but got exactly nil service when he came on v Newcastle 
Need to start him at some point … Wolves on April 1 ? … or it’s turning into a waste of time & money

[Full Claret Jacket]

First half we saw our achilles heel - being pressed and not being able to play it out and break the press. Everton couldn't keep it up though. I thought Everton were the better side first half. Second half was much better from us, controlled the ball and just lacking the quality to finish off a move. We at least put some pressure on them. Won a few corners which were dreadful deliveries on the whole. 
The goal came from a bit a passing the ball quicker and Souceks finish was really good given it was under his feet as well. He was energised by that and had a little spell where he was everywhere. 
Unfortunately old habits die hard. They got fresh legs on, we didn't until late and by then we were on the back foot and doing the usual deep defending and hoofing upfield with no outlet. 
We probably all knew a goal was coming and it was as shit one. No pressure on the ball, a player being played onside and failure to get the right side to defend. Just disappointing to fold under the first real bit of pressure. 
On positives I thought although Kudus is lacking confidence and final product he linked up with the impressive Wan Bissaka really well and carried us up the pitch. No idea how some of these players who have barely played for their sides get in the England side instead of him. He is really thriving at our club. Also thought Todibo was excellent. Athletic, strong challenges, good on the ball and starting to see him up to the pace of the league. Only concern was a bit of a hobble as he went off. 
Ferguson is showing as a bit of a wasted window signing which is probably not surprising but given how desperate we were for a forward with Fulkrug and Antonio out, it's a daft decision. 

I have to say with the league the way it is, it feels a bit like going through the motions now as there is not much to play for. We aren't getting relegated so is there any point in playing loan players that aren't going to be here next year like Soler and Ferguson? I assume Potter will already have an idea of who he wants to keep and who not to. Maybe sneak some more young players in? Why not Guillerme? I just don't understand how he isn't playing some minutes as he's looked bright everytime he's played. I can only think it's something to do with money and appearances. 
 

[fraser]

As it stands we've paid them a fee to pay his wages and help rehabilitate him, great business by Brighton 

[El Scorchio]

I doubt Fergs will be starting for Ireland. Might get a half? 
Potter must know him better than anyone, why would he bring in a bertie big bollocks/permanent cripple  to mess up his new job. 

Yup I think the attitude is a long shot. Just trying to think of reasons he’s getting so little game time. I expect it’s just injury related. I suppose he must have passed a medical but just can’t play for more than 30 mins at most. Or Potter was under the impression he’d stay for next season when he arrived but had found out otherwise since and now sees no point in playing him. Brighton probably can’t be over the moon with it if he is actually fit. 

Fuck knows. it’s all just a bit weird. Even for us. Be very interesting to see if Fullkrug leapfrogs him when he’s back. 

I’d be asking a few questions about how Ferguson passed a medical - if he did at all (any decent test would surely have sounded alarms).

I don’t doubt his attitude. He seems like a most pros on that front. It’s just his body isn’t holding up - he’s clearly not fit enough to start and won’t be for weeks. So why sign him, even on loan? All that will happen is we’ll spend the next eight weeks getting him fit (or not), and he’ll go back to Brighton for pre-season.

What’s the point?! We’ve got a very promising kid in the youth team. Give him some game time - see what standard he’s at.

 

 

Same. It’s just bizarre he’s even here if he’s not fit to be more than a bit part 6 weeks in. If he’s really rehabbing that much then why not at Brighton. Surely that’s far more sensible where they can keep an eye on him. Unless they’ve literally just opted to save some wages but that seems silly. Whatever way you try and slice it up there is no permutation of this deal where it makes sense to all parties in the slightest.

[fraser]

Is that what you saw? I saw someone going down looking for a penalty. Almost as if he was expecting Mavro to do something rash like sticking his leg out, which for once he didn’t do.

Yeah that's exactly what I saw as that's what happened. The penalty was given against Kilman not Dinos, you think he kicked the ground on purpose? 

If so it's the worst dive ever because kicking the ground is why it was overturned. 

[fraser]

No one gets booked for simulation unless the culprit is from West Ham. HTFHYFC

Doku did yesterday, but just looked like he was hurdling a bad tackle 

[Fauxstralian]

Not heard of this referee Darren Bond before
Yet another Northerner. 
From Wigan & has them down as his team
Remarkable that amongst a group of 30 to 40 somethings who seem to be almost all from the North that as far as I know none identify as Liverpool or Man Utd fans. What are the odds?

[goose]

I’m looking forward to seeing Fullkrug back, I think there were some positive signs just before his injury.

[southbankbornnbred]

I doubt Fergs will be starting for Ireland. Might get a half? 
Potter must know him better than anyone, why would he bring in a bertie big bollocks/permanent cripple  to mess up his new job. 

Yup I think the attitude is a long shot. Just trying to think of reasons he’s getting so little game time. I expect it’s just injury related. I suppose he must have passed a medical but just can’t play for more than 30 mins at most. Or Potter was under the impression he’d stay for next season when he arrived but had found out otherwise since and now sees no point in playing him. Brighton probably can’t be over the moon with it if he is actually fit. 

Fuck knows. it’s all just a bit weird. Even for us. Be very interesting to see if Fullkrug leapfrogs him when he’s back. 

I’d be asking a few questions about how Ferguson passed a medical - if he did at all (any decent test would surely have sounded alarms).

I don’t doubt his attitude. He seems like a most pros on that front. It’s just his body isn’t holding up - he’s clearly not fit enough to start and won’t be for weeks. So why sign him, even on loan? All that will happen is we’ll spend the next eight weeks getting him fit (or not), and he’ll go back to Brighton for pre-season.

What’s the point?! We’ve got a very promising kid in the youth team. Give him some game time - see what standard he’s at.

[Far Cough UKunt]

No one gets booked for simulation unless the culprit is from West Ham. HTFHYFC

[Iron Duke]

Is that what you saw? I saw someone going down looking for a penalty. Almost as if he was expecting Mavro to do something rash like sticking his leg out, which for once he didn’t do.

[fraser]

Does anyone know why Beto wasn’t booked for simulation when the penalty was overturned? No one touched him so it was clearly a dive. Not only did the referee get the initial decision badly wrong, he didn’t do his job properly afterwards either.

Was it a dive, he just kicked the ground and already looked off balance.

[Iron Duke]

Does anyone know why Beto wasn’t booked for simulation when the penalty was overturned? No one touched him so it was clearly a dive. Not only did the referee get the initial decision badly wrong, he didn’t do his job properly afterwards either.

[Mex Martillo]

Felt like a loss to me.
I thought Potter screwed up the subs. Soler didn't do enough to either take pressure of the defense by playing the ball or helping them defend. It would have appeared negative, but if Paqueta couldn't stay on, I thought Alvarez would have been a better sub to quieten their attack and help us go forward more controlling the ball.
Yes, season was over a long time ago, so Potter needs to give us more entertainment with some wins.

[El Scorchio]

Watching the extended highlights we do look a lot better defensively, although still prone to the odd fuck up, thought we had the better chances, but we still can't seem to wrap up games, 2 points dropped IMO.

Would like to see Potter give some youngsters some game time and try a few things, not like we are going down, so use these last games to develop for next season, it's all petering out to be another lost season though  

COYI

Agree. A lost season for sure. All the damage was done before we even kicked a ball on opening day against Villa, in hindsight. I hope it’s not going to be too much of a task to unpick the mess left by the previous two regimes.