Progress Under Potter. ?

[Cerveza Para Mi]

Pub conversation with one or two people on Sunday and the conversation came roun d to West Ham. It got me thinking about whether we've made any progress under Potter and, tbh, I reckon our away performances have improved but the results haven't, if that makes sense.  We've played 7 away games under Potter and only won one of them. Albeit against 1 of the best 2 teams we've played away since he arrived. We've drawn 2 and lost 4, with 6 scored and 9 conceded.  Performance wise imo apart from the Wolves game, where I thought we were crap, I don't think we've played too badly in the others. We were also, again only imo, unlucky to lose at Villa in the cup match, Chelsea at the Bridge and arguably deserved a point at Anfield.

But at home under Potter we've been bloody awful.  We've won 2 games from the 7 played. A win against Fulham which, based on performance alkone I don't think we deserved to, and a dull , easy victory against Leicester.  There were a frew decent moments against Bournemouth, imo the only home game under Potter where the football, has been remotely enjoyable, but the rest of the games have been pretty damn awful. Two wins from 7 games against teams, Newcastle excluded, who we wouldn't consider top bracket, two draws and 3 defeats. 8 goals score (3 in oine match) and 9 conceded.  And imo not one performance that could be considered a good one.

That, for me, is a pretty damning statistic.  Potter's high point so far has been the victory at The Emirates but for me our best performance of the season came at Newcastle under Lopetegui.  Also the only home game which I felt was enjoyable to watch was the 4-1 win against Ipswich. Of course I enjoyed the win against Manchester United but, let's be honest, they should have been out of sight by half time.

So have we made progress ?  Not imo. In fact , hard as it might be to believe, I think we've actually gone backwards.  Cards on the tabe because I know there's been a lot of discussion about whether performance or results are the most important, I'm someone who puts results top of the pile. Give me a shithoused 1-0 win over a swashbuckling 3-3 draw any day of the week. I want my team to entertain, of course I do, but above all I want them to WIN.  So looking at the hard facts 3 of our 5 home wins (in itself pretty pathetic isn't it?) have come under Lopetegui. And he also presided over 3 of our 4 away victories, although credit to Potter his sole away win was at Arsenal.

Progress ?  Not inb my book I'm afraid.

[Sydney_Iron]

Not sure our squad will be vastly different come August? Unless out of contract we have to sell them, so either find buyers or make the price enticing enough, that is bargain basement and take loss, not to mention some of the wages some of them earn!!!!.

Then those who MAY come in, i doubt we will be picking up bargain basement players, especially the quality and experience we will need, we will have to pay top dollar with salaries to match.

As said a few times lets hit rock bottom this season, that may force the issue on Potter and we can start afresh all be it with a similar squad next season, I'm not sure Sullivan will like the idea of taking so many hits selling players at losses, then WHO is going to command any big fee from our lot based on this season??? Kudus may see other clubs willing to take a punt but only if the price is right, Bowen perhaps but I'm not sure he is going anywhere, all in all very disappointing i had high hopes for Potter but as each game comes and goes he seems to go backwards, still a little bit of me hope he can turn it around but I'm maybe grasping at straws.

Progress under Potter? FUCK ALL....

[Manuel]

I see us trying to improve, but failing miserably. Bottom line is this squad needs overhauling in key positions and that is something Potter needs to be given a chance to do

We just don't have the players to press and move the ball quickly and ultimately, we lack cutting teeth. That's maybe why Moyes had us defend deep and counter, to somewhat more effect. Moreover we need to get rid of those players who aren't motivated, we've looked ok in patches, normally in the second half of games after stinking out the first half, but there is no consistent improvement in the performance and that much we can park on Potter. 

We have to hope a combination of personnel changes in the summer and a reset turn our fortunes around. We're stuck with Potter until at least October, and even then it usually has to be a really disastrous start to have our board thinking about the sack. Here is hoping. 


 

Yep, as shit and worrying as it's been, and it's been very shit and very worrying, our squad is going to be looking VERY different come the end of August, and that is where the hope lies. False hope? Very possibly, but that is the situation and ALL of us are going to have to wait and see how that all works out.

Some away performances have been encouraging, so will be keen to see how we go at Brighton. He really could do with picking up some wins in the last 5 games for obvious reasons. 

[nychammer]

I see us trying to improve, but failing miserably. Bottom line is this squad needs overhauling in key positions and that is something Potter needs to be given a chance to do

We just don't have the players to press and move the ball quickly and ultimately, we lack cutting teeth. That's maybe why Moyes had us defend deep and counter, to somewhat more effect. Moreover we need to get rid of those players who aren't motivated, we've looked ok in patches, normally in the second half of games after stinking out the first half, but there is no consistent improvement in the performance and that much we can park on Potter. 

We have to hope a combination of personnel changes in the summer and a reset turn our fortunes around. We're stuck with Potter until at least October, and even then it usually has to be a really disastrous start to have our board thinking about the sack. Here is hoping. 

 

[Massive Attack]

No doubt in my mind that we should have held on to him till at least the end of the season before taking stock of the situation. That way if it really wasn't improving then by all means pay up his final year, get rid and then go and get someone in for the new season and a summer window to work with.

A lot of the argument for getting rid when we did and going for Potter though was to either push for Europe because there were some who were convinced our Squad was good enough (that's clearly been proved not to be the case now), as well as give Potter a mini pre-season to work out how to improve our play etc. And yet all he's actually managed to achieve is make us worse in both attacking play and position/points wise. Potter has completely defeated the purpose of this time afforded to him where he really could have stamped his authority on the side with all the pressure off. Instead as soon as he rocked up, the season was effectively over by getting knocked out the Cup straight away before making a right hash of the remaining League games to the position we now laughably find ourselves in.

Now all we've managed to achieve is bring some dopey yes man cսnt in, along with a whole new raft of staff (we had to compensate all of the previous staff also) at real expense when all we had to do was be patient without any real threat of relegation with how badly this League season was panning out. 

[Eerie Decent]

Potter has been a car crash, but let's not pretend that we shouldn't have got rid of Lopetegui.

He should never be allowed to return to football for sanctioning the £40mil purchase of Max Kilman.

[Massive Attack]

It also pays to sometimes keep a manager even after a terrible start as Glasner proved with Palace 19th after 12 matches with only 1 win to their name. And they're now comfortably 12th on similar points you just highlighted as well as also be in an FA Cup Semi Final vs Aston Villa on Saturday. 

[BoleynGone]

No,
For me he should have gone the opposite to what he has done as it hasn't worked.
With the players we have he could of aimed for Europe when he started.
Win or bust.
There was an outside chance then and a better chance now with 9th or 10th qualifying.
7 wins from 13 would have us in the same points tally as Brentford. 


 

[Texas Iron]

Is 3 Wins out of 13 Progress…???

not in my book !!!

[Mex Martillo]

No progress at all. We score less goals, we lose more games, the football is dire and we get less points. Gone backwards.
Not getting tonked is not progress if you continue to lose, winning in style is progress.
Bloke is a massive disappointment.

 

 

Agree with that Cerveza and AT.
Feels we're stuck with crap version of Moyes. Almost sadly I think we should give Potter minimum the summer and a good part of the 25/26 season.
HAMMERS

[Massive Attack]

The only way I can suggest we have made some progress is defensively. We look much more compact

That's true and he does get credit for that. Although I would say I'm not surprised when he has often deployed a back 5 and flooded the midfield clogging the pitch up with so many bodies. And even when he now attempts to shore up the Team more defensively we still manage to concede late on to Southampton of all Teams. 

[ATHammer]

No progress at all. We score less goals, we lose more games, the football is dire and we get less points. Gone backwards.
Not getting tonked is not progress if you continue to lose, winning in style is progress.
Bloke is a massive disappointment.

[Russ of the BML]

The only way I can suggest we have made some progress is defensively. We look much more compact and organised and are harder to beat. The stats also back that up. The problem is we were so bad defensively under Lope that its hardly a ringing endorsement for Potter that he has come in and done this. It would've been the standard for most PL managers. 

The other area that you could argue we have improved is possession. We definitely have more and are better at keeping the ball. But to what end? We have no attacking threat and look impotent most of the time. So for me that's a pointless improvement as you don't win a game by holding the ball. 

Struggling to find much else. 

[Maverick180180]

Spurs fans starting up another Potter thread and the mods allow it, joke club and joke fucking forum. 

Back to The Emirates with you then you little Gooner boy.  

What on earth gave you the idea I'm a Spurs fan ?  Something mummy slipped into your orange juice ?

This cսnt accuses everyone of being a spurs fan that doesn’t agree with wanking over West Ham losing 
he is a spurs fan, whether intentional or not 

[Texas Iron]

No Fire…no Passion…No Progress…

Potter Ball is Boring Ball…

[Cerveza Para Mi]

Spurs fans starting up another Potter thread and the mods allow it, joke club and joke fucking forum. 

Back to The Emirates with you then you little Gooner boy.  

What on earth gave you the idea I'm a Spurs fan ?  Something mummy slipped into your orange juice ?

[Maverick180180]

The only real progress is that every day that passes is a day closer to us getting rid of this Celine Dion tribute act cսnt
Some say they’ll be progress once he has better players
but imagine that…a manager that does better with better players, wow he must be some coach 
 

[Maverick180180]

Spurs fans starting up another Potter thread and the mods allow it, joke club and joke fucking forum. 

You’ve lost your mind ‘feet.

The cսnt never had a mind to begin with 

[Iron Duke]

Pointless thread really, which is ironic considering our lack of points. There is already a Potter thread that this could be discussed on. Besides, we all know we are doing shit at the moment. If you take a snapshot now then of course it looks awful. What is there to discuss? He might get better. He might not. The end.

[Massive Attack]

The only thing Potter has progressed is his bank balance. Kind of impressive when you come to think of how rich he has managed to become based solely on shit Swedish Football, poor stint at Swansea in the Championship and a totally over the top appraisal of his time at Brighton once finishing midtable whilst playing a bland style of Football where even the Brighton fans got fed up of his Team struggling to shoot at goal, let alone score. He's stealing a living at the top level that I almost admire him for managing to hoodwink so many in the game.  


21% win ratio and managed us to get 3 less shots at goal, at Home against 1 of the very worst Premier League sides ever already relegated and steal a draw from the jaws of victory..  

[fraser]

Apparently over the 12 league games he's been here we're 18th in the league with least chances created... That's definitely not progress.. 

[honky cat]

It was clear there had been a complete breakdown of the relationship between loppers and the players, and probably the non playing staff. His position was untenable. It was either sell and replace the entire team in January, or bin him out. There was no choice but to get someone else in, who was available and wanted to come to West Ham

​​​​​​Potter has shored up the defence a bit. Up until fullkrugs meltdown there seemed to be more harmony with the team. l'll give him the summer to sort out the midfield and shift any bad eggs. 







 

[goose]

Spurs fans starting up another Potter thread and the mods allow it, joke club and joke fucking forum. 

You’ve lost your mind ‘feet.

[Nick QQQ2]

He looks completely lost to me.  Has lost all of the early energy he had.  His interviews are now copy and paste.
doesnt have the balls to be a top coach.
another experiment gone wrong.

[Manuel]

Spurs fans starting up another Potter thread and the mods allow it, joke club and joke fucking forum. 

Agree with you here feet, this cսnt has already started the Fullkrug thread and now this and the coward mods do nothing yet again. The site should should have been allowed to die, but some busy cunts thought better and now we have an utter farce.

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

In fairness to Lopetegui I think at least he realised that our midfield was so lacking in creativity that he had to deploy Wan Bissaka and Emerson higher up the pitch to provide ammunition for the front men.  Potter has tightened the defence but the midfield is still bloody awful and would struggle to create itself out of a soggy paper bag. I don't look at stats all that often but it wouldn't surprise me if Wan Bissaka had proibably been involved in more goals scored than anyone else this season,

Lopetegeui has always employed full backs that way. He likes them to attack and bang crosses in. Shame that neither of our two first choice full backs are particularly good at that. Shame also that Fullkrug hardly played under Lopetegui, seeing as he thrives on crosses, which Potter doesn't bother with much. Wan Bissaka does get involved in the early stages, albeit in a really slow way, completely unlike how an attacking full back would normally bomb up the pitch and cross early. Wan Bissaka's got 2 assists this season. Coufal by comparison had 7 in his first season here and 7 last season too, all from open play.