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"There is a very good section on GB news where the ludicrous idiocies of Wokeness are looked at I thought we would should have one for WHO. I'll start with Baptiste on BBC: In Hungary,an ambassador's family are kidnapped by Islamic terrorists and carry out atrocities. At the end of the last episode Baptiste finds out that it is a false flag operation and conveniently, the real culprits are white supremacists who want to stop all immigration. Coronation Street ITV a gay black footballer is stopped by the police, because he is driving an expensive car. He is pushed to the ground during an altercation, and damages his leg threatening his career. Could have been written by Dawn Butler or a BLM activist."

"If this is to be about me, then these are my views. It is a shame don’t seem to have much of your own to add to the debate, Ratched. But that’s not exactly anything new, is it."

The razor is regarding your wafflry about why we are responding to the trans bollocks the way we are.

"It’s not Occam’s Razor principle because identity, emotions, drives and behaviour aren’t a simple matter. But one thing is pretty straight: it’s about respecting those who are different and you can’t do that if you have found the personal difference you feel has never been acknowledged let alone respected."

"Yeah, that or we just think it's a right load of old bollocks. Occam's razor and all that."

"If one accepts this kind of thing is determined by sex at birth, what is the problem with explaining to people that sometimes boys find other boys attractive and may indeed want to be women in their behaviour? What door exactly does it open? Way I see it, reaction here is nothing to do with a concern for society. In fact, the main proponents pride themselves in having 0 social awareness. It is all about their resentment that social factors have come together to deny you the opportunity to choose your gender identity and sexual behaviour without fear of sanction."

"Two X chromosomes and you’re a woman, fetch up with an XY pairing and you’re a man. Approximately 1 in 4500 children are born with ambiguous genitalia which makes visual identification subjective. The best way to determine whether boy or girl is to discover the chromosome set up. The rule of thumb is if the Y chromosome is present it’s a boy, no Y it’s a girl."

"I’ve noticed that bald, uptight blokes are really retarded when it comes to all sorts of emotional intelligence. But I don’t think it’s a testosterone thing because that also regulates sex drive and they have none of that at all. Maybe it’s because they’re just repressed homosexuals."

Pickle sister looks maskuline version of Pickle. I fink she mite have hes testosystrone?

"""I have no truck with this trans-nonsense at all. I'm just trying to understand why posters are particularly vexed by that description"" There's been a considerable effort to spread the idea that this sort of stuff is fluid and that children have a right to choose on the matter. This opens the door wide open to the horrors of ""trans kids"", irreversible hormone therapy and surgery. Even 5 years ago this was the stuff of a handful of activists, now the language is being parrotted by senior NHS staff."

LOL

"Yes, your almost complete lack of testosterone makes you more aware of 'emotions, relations and the social context'."

"Does sex determine different levels of different kinds of intelligence? Or is it upbringing that makes you more or less aware of emotions, relations and the social context?"

Fo. Assigned implies there was a choice and they chose that sex. In truth sex is observed at birth and can also be observed before birth and thousands of years after death because as has been pointed out it is in our building blocks and is an objective truth.

Actually sex is observed BEFORE birth and can be deduced AFTER death. It doesn't change and it's right there in your building blocks.

"That's all very correct, Surf. No one in their right mind (nor me for that matter) would dispute that. But sex is also recorded, assigned or whatever you want to call it when a baby enters the world - not least so a birth certificate can be issued. It is the subsequent interventions of the lunatic fringe that cause the issues being debated here - not the 'assigned at birth' action which is a medical examination allowing the lucky newborn to begin his or her journey through the bureaucracy of life."

"Assigned = allocated, appointed, designated. None of which apply to recording a baby's sex. It's the implication of the word that's the problem. It's ridiculous. But not as ridiculous as this: https://unherd.com/2022/06/why-should-lesbians-have-sex-with-men/ This mob should not be defended or even understood in anyway. The Left really need to disassociate itself from this, and other similar lunacy (eg BLM). Then real issues can be addressed."

"Assigned = allocated, appointed, designated. None of which apply to recording a baby's sex. It's the implication of the word that's the problem. It's ridiculous. But not as ridiculous as this: https://unherd.com/2022/06/why-should-lesbians-have-sex-with-men/ This mob should not be defended or even understood in anyway. The Left really need to disassociate itself from this, and other similar lunacy (eg BLM). Then real issues can be addressed."

"Unless I wasn't paying attention during my GCE O-Levels, sex is 'assigned' by nature, at conception. Bringing doctors into it is a ploy to distract from that fact. The sex of the baby is immutable, however many obstetricians dispute that fact."

"Fifth I have no truck with this trans-nonsense at all. I'm just trying to understand why posters are particularly vexed by that description. It is true, is it, not, that sex is recorded medically and officially at birth based largely on physical observation by the clinician. So the word' assigned' is the problem? Not after a row nor playing smartarse or dumb - just interested."

"Fo ""Assigned"" sounds like people decide something arbitrarily. It's nonsense. The sex of people is observed at birth and recorded. Nothing is assigned. There are children's books in schools which say that ""Doctors assign sex at birth and sometimes they get it wrong"" and they aren't talking about people with Disorders in Sexual Development aka ""intersex"" people who are about 0.1% of the population. These books and the trans lunacy are saying that Doctors assign biological sex and actually they get it ""wrong"" because sex is based on your gender identity. It's unscientific bollocks."

"Maybe, Sav. I managed to avoid the disorder that compels one to keep up the same tired joke for years on end though. Small mercies and all that."

Fo the Communist 6:38 Mon Jun 20 was you assignd with retardashion at birf?

"Am I missing something? Isn't 'sex assigned at birth' just the medical judgement made when you pop out and based (mostly) on the clinician's examination of your genitals? That is, penis = boy, fanny = girl?"

"Hermit gets it. Its not so much the question itself, its their stated reasons for asking it. Imagine 10 years ago a professor in a senior position in the NHS stating ""sex is assigned at birth"". Imagine predicting it. You'd have been laughed at. Yet here we are. He's being dishonest to appease the mob or he genuinely believes it. Dunno which would be worse."

"It would be closer to reality if some of these self-identifiers identified themselves as lumps of wood. In the main, these classes are set up to better help society deliver what is required to the correct set of individuals. If everybody picks their own class to self-identify with then it will be a class per individual and management of such services as the NHS will end up swamped (as if they are not already) with trying to administer patient information rather than deliver care to those patients."