Russell Brand

[Pentonville]

Dispatches tonight could be about him so he has jumped in first dismissing claims and rumours and saying anything he did in past was consensual. No doubt it will be said that this is The Matrix coming after him due to his opposition to mainstream media.

[Capitol Man]

"Ever the victim Stevie. The far left don’t get wrapped up with the far right because most of the agitating is coming from the populist political nonsense, with people looking to stir things up to get to power. If you are all about nationalism, all about race and immigration, not offering a single policy idea that actually tackles the issues of inequality or distribution of resources or wealth and so on then you are not actually a lefty, you are likely a “right wing bigot”. That’s the trouble I have with a lot of it, it’s all about agitation and generating anger, but never any solutions, you just have to keep stirring up the anger and resentment. This “victim” of the establishment stuff is part of that."

[WHU(Exeter)]

"“People who occupy the position of the traditional, historic left, and are supportive of the rights of the working class are now known as far right bigots” 100% spot and wished I could’ve summed it up as well as that."

[Hammer and Pickle]

Not trying to POINT OUT THE MEANING OF WORDS here but as far as I can tell a bigot is still an ignorant reactionary whatever the position on the political spectrum. I’ll wager there are still plenty on the Left claiming to represent the working class as well.

[stewie griffin]

"Generally agreed, brand0... but the far right one does get a fair amount of traction. You see it thrown around here a fair bit. People who occupy the position of the traditional, historic left, and are supportive of the rights of the working class are now known as far right bigots."

[BRANDED]

"Far left and Far right are media speak for “ those cunts we’re telling you to hate”. They almost never have any real world currency any more. However, conspiracy theorists is perhaps their best yet."

[Darlo Debs]

Stew that was kind of the point Murdoch was making... Well about our governments anyway..

[stewie griffin]

"""I hope and suspect they've picked a fish too big to swallow"" Unlikely I suspect. Brand is unpopular enough and at least guilty of being sexually a bit much (by his own admission) that in many ways he's an easy target. Even before yesterday, they'd successfully badged his channel as being for conspiracy theorists. Musk is the big fish. Remarkably, they've managed to convince a few simpletons that a man who openly stands for equality, free speech, a lack of censorship,and has always voted democrat is 'far right'... but that's as far as they've got."

[BRANDED]

"I mull over the question “ are there really powerful people and interests?” Well, clearly there are but any individual often does seem to be dispensable. So, what exactly is being defended? If Brand has committed crimes, build a case. So, in the mean time he’s challenging narratives that are generally the predominant ones in the mainstream press and governments. Do these mainstream organisations observe any common goals or adhere to common systems that might corrupt them?"

[Leavemyarcelona]

Mike Spot on.

[Mike Oxsaw]

"Probably stretching the boundaries here, but there's been a massive paradigm shift in the power the traditional media outlets have on public opinion. Back in the day (when having 64k dial-up internet access qualified you as an IT geek), people got their news at home on one of the existing terrestrial TV channels. Outside the home, however, it was the newspapers you read on your commute/in the works canteen/restaurant(/refectory for you dead posh gits). That was you making a statement to the world about where your (political) support lay. Now, nobody has a clue as to what you're reading on your smart-phone in similar circumstances, so such readily available information is no longer readily available. So now, to make sure you stay on message, the establishment are forced into deploying less subtle methods; scaring the shit out of Russell Brand is their current weapon of choice - they hope that will deter any further dissenting voices. I hope and suspect they've picked a fish too big to swallow."

[Leavemyarcelona]

This is what happens when you speak out against the establishment. They will come after you and ruin your life

[stewie griffin]

"Who are these powers that be, debs son? Politicians? They're every bit as dispensable as someone like Brand if they don't tow the line. Corbyn never did, so he had no chance from day 1 and they destroyed him. Boris... useful while he caved in to demands for lockdowns. As soon as he refused, two year old stories came out and he was gone within a few months. Truss? Never fit, no chance. They've got a couple of identikit, narrative fitting clones now, the right people, so no drama who comes next. Again.. this isn't a new phenomenon either. Gordon Brown, John major etc etc. Blair, Cameron, Starmer, Sunak... all the same person. All useful, until they aren't anymore"

[bruuuno]

stewie griffin 3:39 Sun Sep 17 Re: Russell Brand See: Boris (not defending Boris before anyone starts but he took in the BBC and there’s only going to be one winner there)

[Darlo Debs]

"I think.the powers that be are more in hock.to.him.than the other way around. He has openly said that when he meets with Downing St they do.as he says, when he meets with the EU they ignore him"

[Takashi Miike]

"I thought it would be one of the shitbag Murdoch's papers involved, just thought it may be the Sun. he's another tool for the establishment, the horrible aussie cսnt"

[Takashi Miike]

"I thought it would be one of the shitbag Murdoch's papers involved, just thought it may be the Sun. he's another tool for the establishment, the horrible aussie cսnt"

[daveyg]

Sir Alf etc Is C4 still a Government funded ( tax payer ) or is it now privately run. I can't quite recall maybe Nadine Doris has an answer

[charleyfarley]

Thanks Stew I'll keep any eye on things to see how it turns out...

[PwoperNaughtyButNot]

"The bloke has been ‘Assanged’ James Cleverly, the Foreign Secretary has jumped straight in to the debate. Russell went after the USA and the USA has hit back using its gophers in the British government and media. Or it’s just very coincidental timing."

[stewie griffin]

"Well they ignored it for 15 years, charley, so I think that's a reasonable assessment. Ultimately, to your prior point, there is a reasonable argument that there's nothing new - and certainly not conspiratorial - here. You take on the media, they come after you. Never been any different really- happened to politicians, sportsmen, celebrities, whoever... over decades."

[El Scorchio]

"Ron Eff 2:57 Completely agree. He may or may not be guilty of some or any of these things but there was precious little in the way of actual tangible proof or evidence presented aside from ‚Äòhe‚Äôs a bit of a sleaze.‚Äô or ‚ÄòHe shagged me and then was a cսnt to me.‚Äô Bad behaviour but not law breaking. The stuff from his former PA was completely irrelevant. She saw him in his pants, she got him groupies (like every other celebrity in the history of being celebrity) and she witnessed him sharing some nudes he‚Äôd been sent. Of course no group of women have ever sat and laughed or ogled over a dick pic sent to one of them. Everything else is just someone‚Äôs account with no witnesses or verification. Not saying they are lying but you can‚Äôt just take their word as truth. However the way this works is anyone speaking out in similar ‚Äòlogical‚Äô or pragmatic vein will be labelled as a villain and a part of the problem. This feels like trial by media with a verdict pre- decided, and sensationalist reporting. Perhaps he is guilty but there needs to be a lot more verified evidence than what was presented."

[charleyfarley]

"So I think I've got my head round this the 'right wing' Times & Sunday Times apart from getting money from this, are also after Brand because he is asking too many questions of the establishment and espousing 'conspiracy theories' and has to be silenced. I suppose the question is then if Brand wasn't woke or anti-establishment and this story landed on their desk they wouldn't pursue it vigorously or simply ignore it"

[stewie griffin]

"Well, brand0, I think (and it was so bad it didn't hold my attention completely) there was only one accusation that constituted anything illegal. But , for me, a 30 year old man fucking a 16 year old is more than a bit creepy. As I said, the people that sat idly by watching that acting as judge, jury and executioner isn't for me"

[BRANDED]

"Griffin When you say deviant do you mean illegal, outside your moral compass or outside the prescribed current moral landscape? Anyway Gates on Epstein’s death ""Well, he's dead,"" Gates responded. ""So ... in general, you always have to be careful."""

[Mike Oxsaw]

"charleyfarley 2:42 Sun Sep 17 I think Brand fully understands that process and has been using his own variation of it in his communiqu?©s. For that reason alone he must be silenced lest too many of the proletariat cotton on and start questioning the things that really need questioning. Given that his profile/life is recorded somewhere in the internet mine, all that's needed is a decent shovel and the ability to make certain events, when you uncover them, appear linked. You've only got to look at how many people hang on every word uttered in the soaps to realise how low the bar is in getting enough people to believe what is fed to them through a screen."