Lopetegui (sacked 8.1.2025)

[maverick180]

I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season

Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit

We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge

But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask

[Massive Attack]

150 million pound spend

His "undefeated" Spain record is a complete joke. They were qualifiers, how many times in the last 20 years have they lost a qualifier? 






 

 

 

Spain have lost 9 times (including Scotland in a qualifier and Japan) in the past 4 years alone and 7 times in just Qualifiers past 20. During his undefeated spell he battered Argentina 6-1, Italy 3-0 and a Costa Rica Team 5-0 that had previously reached the World Cup Quarters losing to Holland on pens as well as not lose against World Cup Winners Germany and England away. 

How much of that £150M was actually spent on players he actually wanted? Kilman £40M but other than Soler and maybe Rodriguez on a Free/Loan, I'm struggling to see who else were players he really wanted in the Summer, like he did Ormorodion and Duran which Sullivan failed to buy.

Fullkrug - Steidten 
Todibo - Steidten 
Guilherme- Steidten 
Summerville - Sullivan
Wan-Bissaka - Sullivan
Foderingham- Sullivan
Kilman - Lopetegui - £40M actually spent he wanted
Soler - Lopetegui - Nothing 
Rodriguez - ? - Nothing

[goose]

So half a season in and we are battling relegation under 'loser Lop', as I warned we would be all pre-season.

The fourth worst goal difference in the league, the third highest number of goals conceded and only 8 points clear of the relegation zone. Thrashings against Tottenham, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool. Only the complacent would deny we are in a relegation battle.

Five of the six league wins under 'loser Lop' have been lucky (Crystal Palace, Man Utd, Newcastle, Wolves and Southampton) with only the 4-1 home win against Ipswich really deserved (and even in that one Ipswich had chances to go 0-2 up).

The team is a joke under 'loser Lop'. He is a clown and a fraud and totally out of his depth.

battling relegation.

lol you fanny.

[Mad Dog]

Did you warn us COYI?  You should have mentioned it.

Yet again NOBODY wanted him.  You're not special

Try and find one post where a user said "i want lopetegi"

[Westside]

So half a season in and we are battling relegation under 'loser Lop', as I warned we would be all pre-season.

The fourth worst goal difference in the league, the third highest number of goals conceded and only 8 points clear of the relegation zone. Thrashings against Tottenham, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool. Only the complacent would deny we are in a relegation battle.




 

As no team, in the last 10 Premier League seasons, 4 or more points above the relegation line, at the halfway stage, has been relegated, the odds of relegation are extremely slim. We are currently 8 points above the line. The latest Opta super computer forecast gives us a 0.8% chance of relegation. Spread betting markets have us 11 to 14 points above the relegation line.

Hope Lopetegui goes sooner rather than later though, but anybody who really thinks we are going to get relegated, should slap a bet on, at around 33/1. Or are all the bookies (who currently have the bottom 3 all odds on to be relegated) complacent, about West Ham's relegation chances?

[Django]

So half a season in and we are battling relegation under 'loser Lop', as I warned we would be all pre-season.

The fourth worst goal difference in the league, the third highest number of goals conceded and only 8 points clear of the relegation zone. Thrashings against Tottenham, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool. Only the complacent would deny we are in a relegation battle.

Five of the six league wins under 'loser Lop' have been lucky (Crystal Palace, Man Utd, Newcastle, Wolves and Southampton) with only the 4-1 home win against Ipswich really deserved (and even in that one Ipswich had chances to go 0-2 up).

The team is a joke under 'loser Lop'. He is a clown and a fraud and totally out of his depth.

Yawn. And btw Ipswich had one chance at 1-1 but you wouldn’t know that as don’t really watch us.

[Sir Alf]

Trouble is Psycho, Sullivan doesn’t believe,  and will try to make sure via his PR messages ( via media), that none of the problems we are having on the pitch are anything to do with him.  Its what he always does.

He will blame ( already has by marginalising him in the Jan window) that the recruitment problems last summer are all down to Steidten. 

He is not ready to blame Lop yet as he appointed him. He will only do that once we are 2 or 3 points above the relegation zone or in it. So may not happen but certainly not yet.  

Its very simple. We continue to underachieve because of David Sullivan and his lack of leadership, vision etc and above all else no plan and/or inability to execute a plan if one did exist.  He’ s been coming up with money which he will hide behind but much of it is wasted. 

[Pshyco scored all 4]

If they keep lopetegui until the end of the season.. relegation is a serious possibility . Its roeder in 2003 all over again and like him you can see the strain he's under .  That fucking useless dwarf needs stringing up . An absolute coward who happily sits by watching other people suffer due to his incompetence. 

[scott_d]

I dont mind if he goes. But I'm not petrified of him staying either right now. But if he goes I'm sort of scared as to what we get because Sullivan and co. need to be dealt with in a special way. Not sure Potter is good at that stress stuff.

Agree with this and this is the problem.
If I had any faith in our owners, I'd gladly join the Lop-Out brigade but my main concern is that they will claim that they tried to play good football and it didn't work so the next manager won't have the same task and it will be back to bringing in results at any cost - which could open the door again to more dross.

[Come On You Irons]

So half a season in and we are battling relegation under 'loser Lop', as I warned we would be all pre-season.

The fourth worst goal difference in the league, the third highest number of goals conceded and only 8 points clear of the relegation zone. Thrashings against Tottenham, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool. Only the complacent would deny we are in a relegation battle.

Five of the six league wins under 'loser Lop' have been lucky (Crystal Palace, Man Utd, Newcastle, Wolves and Southampton) with only the 4-1 home win against Ipswich really deserved (and even in that one Ipswich had chances to go 0-2 up).

The team is a joke under 'loser Lop'. He is a clown and a fraud and totally out of his depth.

[John Coffey]

The problem now is the next fixture is basically a dead rubber. Nobody expects us to beat Man City no matter how far their levels have dropped this season. I said yesterday I expect them to do what Liverpool did to us and possibly worse. But lets say they beat us 4-0 and its a similar performance to Liverpool, does Sullivan sack him? Like fuck he does. And so Lope is living off free hits. 

It looks to me like its going to take a massive tonking by a club in the bottom six to get this bloke out. 

There's just no hope. Look in his eyes, they are dead. No passion and no hope. We are going backwards. Unfortunately we saw this with Moyes, its like watching a loved one on life support slowly ebbing away. And that's the biggest annoyance for me. There's no hope and so just pull the plug for fuck sake. Lope is not going to get increases levels out of this squad. Move him on. 

Agreed. He’s not getting sacked anytime soon. Especially not by being comprehensively thrashed by the likes of the scouse and possibly City. 

[threesixty]

Actually you can compare his time at Wolves because we finished last season the same way they started the season he took over. So now we've established both teams were shit we can also factor in the advantage he had  here, a full preseason and a 150 million pound spend, and yet he's not matching his record at Wolves. 

His "undefeated" Spain record is a complete joke. They were qualifiers, how many times in the last 20 years have they lost a qualifier? 

He's a total fraud and an abject failure. Don't give the cսnt a penny in January, force him to walk.

 

 

Wolves were bottom of the league when he joined them in Nov 2022. He finished in 13th. 
Yes they were underperforming, but they were underperforming for a reason otherwise the last guy would have done the job. You cant compare the two gigs because you have much more leeway when your fighting for relegation in terms of style of play etc. Only points matter, no one cares about being entertained etc. 

Here is different because they've brought him in to be entertaining in some way. And that to be honest is his main failure. If you measure him up against the teams around him in this season he isnt doing too badly points wise. 8 points off 5th place and the 5th place team we spanked 2-0 at theirs. So potentially we can do good things.

But it doesnt look or feel great. And more importantly, I feel the job is to change the style of play and entertain us a bit. I dont see that, I just see sloppy stuff. But I also wouldn't count out a signing or two that transforms our season. I dont think he's hopeless like Avram Grant etc.. I just think he may work better in a continental league than here. 

Eddie Howe did wonders for Newcastle pretty quickly so it can be done. But you really have to get a coach who is hands on and understands how to do it psychologically as well. I cant see that in Loppy tbh. 

I dont mind if he goes. But I'm not petrified of him staying either right now. But if he goes I'm sort of scared as to what we get because Sullivan and co. need to be dealt with in a special way. Not sure Potter is good at that stress stuff.

[Russ of the BML]

The problem now is the next fixture is basically a dead rubber. Nobody expects us to beat Man City no matter how far their levels have dropped this season. I said yesterday I expect them to do what Liverpool did to us and possibly worse. But lets say they beat us 4-0 and its a similar performance to Liverpool, does Sullivan sack him? Like fuck he does. And so Lope is living off free hits. 

It looks to me like its going to take a massive tonking by a club in the bottom six to get this bloke out. 

There's just no hope. Look in his eyes, they are dead. No passion and no hope. We are going backwards. Unfortunately we saw this with Moyes, its like watching a loved one on life support slowly ebbing away. And that's the biggest annoyance for me. There's no hope and so just pull the plug for fuck sake. Lope is not going to get increases levels out of this squad. Move him on. 

[twoleftfeet]

Pointless argument.

I’m not bothered about what he has done elsewhere, he has failed here and that’s all that matters. It’s easier to get your message across when you are speaking to Spanish speakers but at West Ham his message hasn’t hit home and he needs to go.

Fonseca will be a terrible move.

Give Potter till the end of the season and see what happens.

[southbankbornnbred]

I’m sure Lopetegui would do a good job at a decent Spanish side. But there are many reasons why it looks unlikely to really “happen” for him here.

He looks and feels like a square peg in a round hole at West Ham. Doesn’t get the club, its fans and culture.

Might be wrong, of course. And all power to him if I/we are wrong. He’s currently our manager: so I want him to do well. But I feel like he’s just passing through - like Grant, Pellegrini etc.

And, yes, I’m aware he failed in Madrid. But the expectations there are ridiculous. Lopetegui would probably do fine at Betis, Bilbao or Valencia etc.

[southbankbornnbred]

I’m sure Lopetegui would do a good job at a decent Spanish side. But there are many reasons why it looks unlikely to really “happen” for him here.

He looks and feels like a square peg in a round hole at West Ham. Doesn’t get the club, its fans and culture.

Might be wrong, of course. And all power to him if I/we are wrong. He’s currently our manager: so I want him to do well. But I feel like he’s just passing through - like Grant, Pellegrini etc.

[goose]

It's all about opinions, but Carrick isn't for me............. neither is Fonseca.

 

[southbankbornnbred]

Should we change manager (which I can’t now see us doing until the summer), then I’d definitely back the appointment of Carrick.

Said for a while that I think he has talent, and also has what it takes to manage our club.

Football management is very much a case of horses for courses. There’s very little about Lopetegui that says he’d be a long-term West Ham manager: he looks and feels massively out of place here.

Carrick has something very West Ham about him, and it’s not just that he started here. He’s bright, his football is considered, but he gets the need for pace and a decent tempo - and he doesn’t over-complicate things (like Lopetegui). The fans would back him, and there is a touch of the Johnny Lyall about him. He might fail elsewhere: I think he’d fit right in here. We should have gone after him in the summer.

One thing I’d say about Carrick though (and he’s not the only good fit for West Ham) is that he’d probably need an assistant with some fire in his belly. A sort of fire and ice duo.

[onsideman]

He had 27 games at Wolves with a 37% win ratio and shipped over a goal a game ending with a negative goal difference.

He's had almost the same amount of games here managing a 33% win ratio and shipping 2 goals a game.

His average performance across both clubs is tragically similar.

He not "bedding in" or "getting his  ideas across" he's delivering his level. He's simply not got enough for this league.

He has to go, there is no rational or sane defence of this fraud other than "I have no ambition and I happily accept failure and mediocrity."

 

 

Absolutely

His record at Wolves wasn't all that.  The side was massively underperforming before his arrival and when you look at the squad he had available to him it would've rivalled ours in 2003 as the best ever to be relegated. Due to the world cup he had the luxury of a mid-season 'pre-season' before his first game. It was a unusual season. They still shipped 6 at Brighton and 5 at Arsenal.mind you. 

The bloke is hopeless - which is why he was out of work for a year before us - and we will, in time, be added to his long list of sackings

[THUNDERCLINT]

Actually you can compare his time at Wolves because we finished last season the same way they started the season he took over. So now we've established both teams were shit we can also factor in the advantage he had  here, a full preseason and a 150 million pound spend, and yet he's not matching his record at Wolves. 

His "undefeated" Spain record is a complete joke. They were qualifiers, how many times in the last 20 years have they lost a qualifier? 

He's a total fraud and an abject failure. Don't give the cսnt a penny in January, force him to walk.

[threesixty]

It is interesting that he persisted with Antonio over Ings whilst Fulkrug was injured. Makes you think that he never played really wanted a fulkrug type player or at least not as a lead striker. He tried to get Antonio at wolves as well, so pace is a thing for him maybe?

You can’t compare his wolves record with here as he was tasked with getting them out of relegation. That means you’re taking a shit team and trying to make them less shit very quickly. It’s a very different gig.

having said that, he’s had a whole preseason. So I’d expect more. 
his record at Spain is undefeated. So perhaps when he has the right players he knows what he’s doing?

i think jan transfer window will tell us properly what this guy is about. If he was given duds that he didn’t want then he has to rectify that now or he’s going to lose his job anyway. He should know how to solve his problems by now. 

[THUNDERCLINT]

He had 27 games at Wolves with a 37% win ratio and shipped over a goal a game ending with a negative goal difference.

He's had almost the same amount of games here managing a 33% win ratio and shipping 2 goals a game.

His average performance across both clubs is tragically similar.

He not "bedding in" or "getting his  ideas across" he's delivering his level. He's simply not got enough for this league.

He has to go, there is no rational or sane defence of this fraud other than "I have no ambition and I happily accept failure and mediocrity."

[Mike Oxsaw]

I've felt for a long time that Sullivan's "favoured" agents are not that "favoured" socially, more that they have a hold on him (perhaps they privately bank-roll him although I've absolutely no proof of this) and should he not throw regular sweeteners their way on command, then he could end up in a highly embarrassing position, financially.

Have any of Sullivan's picks been stand-out successes at West Ham?

[Massive Attack]

I think it’s hard to know how much of the blame to park at Loppy’s door. I’d say it’s enough to warrant sacking him, but then again how much of the small squad he’s working are his signings? Who is a Sullivan punt? Who is a Steidten signing ? 

it’s a much easier decision to sack or not when you give the manager and his staff sole responsibility on signings and therefore the rope to hang themselves with. A much harder decision when 2 or 3 parties are signing players they think will work out. I think that’s maybe part of why we keep managers hanging around and also cannot attract decent managers who see what goes on here and back off. 

If people wondered as to why the Club possibly doesn't sack him yet, here could well be a big clue as to why. They all knowing full well whw's signings were who and which targets weren't finalised (See Duran) and how they may be gently reminded of this by Lopetegui behind the scenes. An educated guess with Lopetegui's previous known track record to push back against a Clubs hierarchy as he did at Wolves to the point he walked because of disagreements regarding transfer policy. He may have agreed to the signings in the end so some deals got done (Fullkrug) but was he a signing profile he really wanted in particular age when he's known for working with younger mobile Strikers like En-Neysri at Sevilla. He wanted and admired Omorodion if I recall too, just as raw as Duran was but both with huge potential. 

And if that is the case which seems highly likely knowing our meddling midget (See Ings), then he has strong grounds to tell them to get fucked whilst he deals with an unfit shit Premier League Striker instead for just 1 example. 

Who else weren't really his.... Only they know all the ins and outs of our backward "Transfer Committee" with too many cooks..

And we wonder why the whole set up looks so disjointed which has found it's way on to the pitch this past year or so.

[nychammer]

I think it’s hard to know how much of the blame to park at Loppy’s door. I’d say it’s enough to warrant sacking him, but then again how much of the small squad he’s working are his signings? Who is a Sullivan punt? Who is a Steidten signing ? 

it’s a much easier decision to sack or not when you give the manager and his staff sole responsibility on signings and therefore the rope to hang themselves with. A much harder decision when 2 or 3 parties are signing players they think will work out. I think that’s maybe part of why we keep managers hanging around and also cannot attract decent managers who see what goes on here and back off. 

[Massive Attack]

You'll make sense one day......